Canadian Federal Election

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by travis3000

This is the real story of this election cycle. The NDP is being decimated.

I wouldn’t exactly call it a decimation. I’d call it more of a temporary embrace of strategic voting and prioritizing what’s in Canada’s best interests for the next four years…along with a severe dislike of Pierre Poilievre and the CPC in general.

[MolsonExport]

I personally cheer the fact that the Liberals can change course and move to the centre. That is why they have sewn up my vote. If only the Conservatives could learn to do this (shout out to Mulroney and Clark, and honorable mention to Charest, as guys that understood this).

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

At this point, I really wonder which party can fill the void left by NDP to prevent Canada from becoming bipartisan like the states…

I still think the NDP can be our solid third party. The BQ will do its part to keep us from going fully bipartisan, but for the Canada wide solution, the NDP still have the history.

As I said earlier, at this point while the NDP still have to fight in this election, they should be planning more for 2029, protecting what they can, saving money where they can, and be ready for 4 years of heavy rebuilding (including replacing Singh).

This year is lightning in a bottle. By all rights and numbers, this should be the year the Liberals would be booted and the NDP and CPC would have had a surge in seats as the Liberal center votes fled. And then the Felon in Chief started talking down south targetting Canada, and the Liberals rallied and Canada has listened.

In 29, the Felon should hopefully be done, and the Liberals will have another 4 years of Stank built up, with no lightning in sight probably. The CPC will almost certainly take Parliament Hill; hopefully with a more centrist leader in charge by then. But the Liberal vote will want to go somewhere, and the NDP need to be ready to catch as much of that vote as they can.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Hard to campaign against a party that barely has any principles or political convictions to violate.

The Liberals are essentially running against the Liberals of 3 years ago. Many of the same crew.

I find this abit rich seeing as CPC MP's are pretty much muzzled media wise and never ever speak out in disagreement about the party despite the fact that we know there is a rift between the populist wing of the party and the actual progressive conservatives.

We also have stories of CPC MP's on background frustrated about being told not to promote the housing accelerator fund even though their constituents could benefit from it. Purely because of politics. Where was the principles then?

If you aren't adapting to the demands of the electorate in todays 24hr news cycle political climate you are losing. Remember when there was people who thought Carney not doing the TVA debate meant the campaign was doomed? Now no one is talking about it.

Rather than make it about principles conservatives should be celebrating a win of forcing the liberals closer to the center on some issues. But everything is always attack attack attack and their negativity is why the polling is where it is.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by lirette

I find this abit rich seeing as CPC MP's are pretty much muzzled media wise and never ever speak out in disagreement about the party despite the fact that we know there is a rift between the populist wing of the party and the actual progressive conservatives.

We also have stories of CPC MP's on background frustrated about being told not to promote the housing accelerator fund even though their constituents could benefit from it. Purely because of politics. Where was the principles then?

If you aren't adapting to the demands of the electorate in todays 24hr news cycle political climate you are losing. Remember when there was people who thought Carney not doing the TVA debate meant the campaign was doomed? Now no one is talking about it.

Rather than make it about principles conservatives should be celebrating a win of forcing the liberals closer to the center on some issues. But everything is always attack attack attack and their negativity is why the polling is where it is.

Good call… I was going to use that TVA debate acceptance/decline as an example.

Another one when he was in Edmonton saying there’d be no set date for emissions cap, then a day later he said there would be.

Or even up to 2 months ago that he trumpeted the carbon tax, then goes ahead and cancels it because it is too divisive.

What do people think the timeline will be for when Carney repeals the carbon tax law? Or was the “canceling” the carbon tax just another game he is playing simply to get elected? I doubt he will outright repeal the law. I predict he will re-implement it. Not entirely sure when though (likely when US tariffs are no longer)…

Good on him….

Cons needs to learn to flip flow their messaging too, in the name of getting elected.

“This is the last election with First Past the Post!”

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I wouldn’t exactly call it a decimation. I’d call it more of a temporary embrace of strategic voting and prioritizing what’s in Canada’s best interests for the next four years…along with a severe dislike of Pierre Poilievre and the CPC in general.

That might be the reason but it still results in a decimation. But that doesn't mean they can't come back. In 1993 they were down to 9 MPs though maybe that qualified for official party status back then. They bounced back in 1997 and in fits and bursts got closed to power 14 years later in 2011. If Carney governs how I hope he does as very much a centrist there will be space for the NDP to carve out the hipster, poverty, environmentalist and union vote.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Don't be ridiculous.

Lio for one welcomes his new orange overlord.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by elly63

Give it time, my friend, give it time.

Need time to keep building your strawman?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by samne

This is not a CPC collapse.

Ok Baghdad Bob.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

I personally cheer the fact that the Liberals can change course and move to the centre. That is why they have sewn up my vote. If only the Conservatives could learn to do this (shout out to Mulroney and Clark, and honorable mention to Charest, as guys that understood this).

I'm glad the LPC can and did make this shift. Nothing is stopping the CPC.

I also have some renewed confidence in the Canadian electorate who can appreciate this move and reward it. The level of brainwashing isn't at US levels, yet.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm glad the LPC can and did make this shift. Nothing is stopping the CPC.

I also have some renewed confidence in the Canadian electorate who can appreciate this move and reward it. The level of brainwashing isn't at US levels, yet.

Canadian voters are better educated, less tribal and more willing to consider the issues of the day when deciding who to vote for.

And, thank God for a multi-party parliamentary democracy rather than a presidential republic!!!!!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Does the future of the French fact in Quebec hinge on Bill 96?

I think not. This legislation is flawed. You don't preserve a linguistic majority by hitting the minority over the head with a sledgehammer. Le Quebecois can do better.
..

Outgroups aren't supposed to tell ingroups they're not a part of what's best for them.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Outgroups aren't supposed to tell ingroups they're not a part of what's best for them.

Quebec anglophones should just sit down, shut up and take whatever table scraps are thrown there way then, and learn not to complain.

[wg_flamip]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I wouldn’t exactly call it a decimation. I’d call it more of a temporary embrace of strategic voting and prioritizing what’s in Canada’s best interests for the next four years…along with a severe dislike of Pierre Poilievre and the CPC in general.

Agreed. Many of the reliable NDP voters I know are voting Liberal this time around as a one-off. Once Singh has resigned, they'll head back into the orange tent for the leadership race and park their votes with the party in the next federal election (barring some extreme circumstance).

The NDP governs two provinces and forms the official opposition in four others. The mayor of the largest and tenth largest municipalities in the country have close connections to the party. This election will certainly be a blow, but they're not going anywhere. I expect we'll see vote share recovery—possibly even a win or two—once we get into byelections.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by lio45

You’re saying we can count on Mark Carney to fight for Bill 96 against Trump?

There is that Simpsons meme about how nobody threatens Canadian sovereignty except Quebec and maybe Alberta. I could see Canadians outside of Quebec who are against Bill 96 getting offended that Trump would target Canadian language laws. And of course it won't be negotiable in Quebec unless it's some minor technical detail that can be adjusted with little impact. I wonder if they know this is a possible way to create a wedge or if they're oblivious (for example, say that Quebec's the only province with requirements resulting in tariffs against all provinces). Overall they have actually promoted Canadian unity so far. For some hardcore separatists and the like this sort of conflict would be a plus.

One irony is that Trump signed an executive order making English the official language of the USA (pushing for more trade barriers with most of the planet?). Of course it's not ideologically incompatible for him or his team because they are not interested in consistency or fairness.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Quebec anglophones should just sit down, shut up and take whatever table scraps are thrown there way then, and learn not to complain.

I think a more savant way to describe the situation is that the self-defined interests of the anglophone population of Quebec often bump into the self-defined interests of the francophone population.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Good call… I was going to use that TVA debate acceptance/decline as an example.

Another one when he was in Edmonton saying there’d be no set date for emissions cap, then a day later he said there would be.

Or even up to 2 months ago that he trumpeted the carbon tax, then goes ahead and cancels it because it is too divisive.

What do people think the timeline will be for when Carney repeals the carbon tax law? Or was the “canceling” the carbon tax just another game he is playing simply to get elected? I doubt he will outright repeal the law. I predict he will re-implement it. Not entirely sure when though (likely when US tariffs are no longer)…

Good on him….

Cons needs to learn to flip flow their messaging too, in the name of getting elected.

“This is the last election with First Past the Post!”

The biggest Republican conservative tariff ‘negotiator’ for our country was elected on a platform of deceit and lies. No mention of any sovereignty issues or decimation of healthcare and education. Outright lies that she wouldn’t increase childcare costs or go after CPP and that they would reduce the deficit. Every contentious issue that she is obsessively plowing ahead on was not part of her ‘mandate’, yet she claims to represent all Albertans. She is the torchbearer of the populist wing of the cpc.

Here’s a taste of her Musk level inhumanity:

Braid: Cancer kids have popsicles back but AHS boss says we just don't get it

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/column...s-popsicles-alberta-health-services-boss

Just like the corruption with private clinics the UCP got caught trying to cancel popsicles and juice for kids receiving cancer treatment and is claiming no fault now.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by someone123

I could see Canadians outside of Quebec who are against Bill 96 getting offended that Trump would target Canadian language laws..

100%

I am against Bill 96, but, Bill 96 is none of Drumpf's God-damned business.

It is an internal Canadian matter (primarily a Quebec matter really).

There are very few anglophone Canadians hors Quebec that would dispute the need to protect the French fact in Quebec. The nuance is finding ways of doing this without adversely impacting the historical anglophone minority in the province, and protecting the rights of anglophone universities in the province to accept students from the rest of Canada and the world.

There's the rub..................

[vanatox]

I tought the issue with the US and Bill 96 was only related to some new requirements regarding brands (marques de commerce) and stuff like this. Nothing else. Certainly not the whole thing.

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by someone123

There is that Simpsons meme about how nobody threatens Canadian sovereignty except Quebec and maybe Alberta. I could see Canadians outside of Quebec who are against Bill 96 getting offended that Trump would target Canadian language laws. And of course it won't be negotiable in Quebec unless it's some minor technical detail that can be adjusted with little impact. I wonder if they know this is a possible way to create a wedge or if they're oblivious (for example, say that Quebec's the only province with requirements resulting in tariffs against all provinces). Overall they have actually promoted Canadian unity so far. For some hardcore separatists and the like this sort of conflict would be a plus.

Canada is a great big dysfunctional family. The provinces fight each other and Ottawa like bitter rivals, to the point I'm sure other countries look at us like we're in the middle of a civil war.

But if someone outside starts messing with OUR business, we'll unite against them in a flash, as we've been seeing this year especially. Sure Smith can't read the writing on the wall, but Albertans in general certainly seem as united as the rest of Canada in telling the Felon to "Shut the fuck up and get your tiny orange hands out of our business."