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Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
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You had indoor plumbing? Richie rich over here lol.
What a terrible comment. Grow up.
     
     
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Canadians can't live in Condos? How do we magically make more suburban land. If we built Highways we could add a decent amount of supply but freezing immigration with the resulting stagnation and eventual decline is the only way and even then Montreal shows the limit of that where unaffordability has also arrived.
Condos are the new post war 800sf SFHs.

I lived in one (as a rental) years ago. They were very basic. People should expect "the basic" version of the same in 2030.
     
     
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I think social mobility was easier 40-50 years ago than it is now. I don't think success stories like ours are as common today.
As GenX I grew up pretty poor in a single mom household. I think I'm around the last able to make a similar jump. I tried explaining it to my boomer mom not too long ago. She thought young people could just follow my path. I don't think it's possible for 20-somethings any more.

Then there are people my age who think it wasn't possible for them and make the same complaints, when the reality is they made a lot of poor decisions when they were younger.
     
     
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I think social mobility was easier 40-50 years ago than it is now. I don't think success stories like ours are as common today.
The world I am raising children in is a different one than I grew up in. Hard to make it on one income with 2 kids, and housing that is priced for millionaires. The very suburbs we live in are a world apart from where I grew up. More families live in condos and townhomes without yards. The days of sending the kids outside to play are mostly gone (for better in some ways and worse in others).
     
     
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As GenX I grew up pretty poor in a single mom household. I think I'm around the last able to make a similar jump. I tried explaining it to my boomer mom not too long ago. She thought young people could just follow my path. I don't think it's possible for 20-somethings any more.

Then there are people my age who think it wasn't possible for them and make the same complaints, when the reality is they made a lot of poor decisions when they were younger.
Hence the "Canada is broken" sentiment. if you can't afford to live in this country..
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2025, 5:12 PM
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Hence the "Canada is broken" sentiment. if you can't afford to live in this country..
Housing is expensive, we should do something about that. There are no quick fixes.

"Canada is broken" is eyeroll level hyperbole with zero answers.
     
     
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Bootstraps. It is simple. Give 'em the money, and they can build the homes themselves. Heck, all you need are some bricks, concrete, and a couple of two-by-fours. Easy-Peasey. You just need to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.
Bricks?!? Two-by-fours? This generation expects everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Clay, water, and a tree - that's all you could hope for in my day.
     
     
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Hence the "Canada is broken" sentiment. if you can't afford to live in this country..
Major cities are becoming dense urban places. Raising kids in an apartment is normal in Berlin, Paris, London, Hong Kong, New York and now I guess Toronto and Vancouver. That is the nature of what these places are. Anyone (Liberal, NDP, or Conservative) who promises that a young family starting out with a median salary is going to have a single family home with a yard within an hour commute to a downtown core of any of these cities is not telling the truth.

Now if we are talking smaller centers like say Kingston, Saskatoon, Victoria or Calgary then say there is a chance. But its still expensive. That said a program to build massive low cost houses does have some potential there.

If we want to address getting ahead for those with modest income in major cities I think we are talking about market oriented social housing and co-ops.
     
     
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A large % of this generation has fallen into I saw it on social media and because they have it, I should have it and I need it right now with no concept of what education, hard work or saving means.

Don't share a 2 bedroom apartment when you expect a 4,000 sq ft home with everything in it, plus the two new cars, plus vacation, plus eating out... all right now. And if you can't have it, then it is everyone elses fault and Canada is broken. Parents did a swell job raising this % of the generation they couldn't say "no" to.

I don't believe they are the majority, but much larger than ever before and my biggest worry is that they don't want to work and they want everything that the ones that do put in the time and energy and who work hard to get it have.
     
     
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What a terrible comment. Grow up.
It was a sarcastic joke.

My mom grew up in a small farmhouse without plumbing in the sixties and seventies with seven brothers and sisters sharing beds and clothes.

You ever chopped down the stack of frozen shit in an outhouse before?
     
     
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Sounds like he was told to resign, but let's not pretend to know what's been said between Mr. Chiang and the Prime Minister these past few days. Perhaps Carney saw this "less embarrassing exit" as the best option in the long term. The Chinese vote in Toronto is very important, and what happens in Markham could very well have a ripple effect on other ridings across the country with lots of Chinese Canadians. Many were calling for Carney to quickly fire him, but that could have made this a bigger issue than it needed to be.

Carney didn't make Chiang lose nearly as much face as he could have, and he really didn't have to do that either. I think a lot of the Chinese Canadian electorate will have have taken note on how this situation was dealt with. To me, it shows Carney knows a thing or two about Chinese culture, and how he's dealt with this situation has probably helped him in other ridings with a lot of Chinese Canadians. If Carney had gone out of his way to fire Chiang and it became even more of a national new story, Mr. Chiang could have lost a lot more face, and Chinese Canadians themselves would have seen it as something that could make all Chinese Canadians lose face. Carney avoided this turning into a larger controversy by letting Mr. Chiang resign.

Anyone trying to make a big stink about this for Carney, now that it's been dealt with, is just grasping at straws...just like most of the other CPC attacks against Carney have been so far anyways. If Poilievre and CPC supporters continue to attack on this, it's not going to help them gain support of Chinese Canadian voters, who they absolutely need in BC.

Even if BC has more Hong Kongers and Taiwanese than found in Toronto, there's still more Mainland Chinese Canadians than HKers and Taiwanese in BC... and Hong Kong and Taiwanese Canadians already know that Carney is going to be anything but soft on China, based on what he's already said when asked about shifting the trade focus from the US to China. Carney wants to focus on Europe and reliable partners in Asia that share our trade values. However, if there was a chance to salvage the Canada-China relationship, I think its abundantly clear that Carney would be the far better option than Poilievre to negotiate with with the Chinese and work towards mending the relationship despite the fundamental differences that exist between Canada and China on trade, human rights, and other issues.

I don't think there will be too many Chinese Canadians, even those of HK and Taiwan extraction, who felt Carney wasn't tough enough on Mr. Chiang. Carney dealt with this issue fine. Had Carney swiftly fired Mr. Chiang, and made him lose more face as it became an even bigger national news story, that could have hurt the LPCs poll numbers with Chinese Canadians across the country. Carney dealt with the issue, but he didn't go out of his way to embarrass Mr. Chiang, which in my opinion, is the sign of a rational, balanced leader.

The only people who are going to pretend to continue to care about this issue past today are part of that 35+ percent, rock solid conservative base. For everyone else, the election moves on...
What sources are you relying on to interpret the whims of the HK and Taiwanese community in GTA/Vancouver? Are you interviewing people in Markham regularly and viewing Canadian Chinese language media on a daily basis?
     
     
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It was a sarcastic joke.

My mom grew up in a small farmhouse without plumbing in the sixties and seventies with seven brothers and sisters sharing beds and clothes.

You ever chopped down the stack of frozen shit in an outhouse before?
Oh, yeah, my comment was a sarcastic joke too.

This isn't the poverty Olympics.
     
     
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Oh, yeah, my comment was a sarcastic joke too.

This isn't the poverty Olympics.
Was it though? Mine at least had the lol, I’ll write sarcasm next time for those who can’t pick up nuance.
     
     
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Carey making a lot of policy announcements today.
     
     
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What sources are you relying on to interpret the whims of the HK and Taiwanese community in GTA/Vancouver? Are you interviewing people in Markham regularly and viewing Canadian Chinese language media on a daily basis?
What sources do I need to rely on? I’m well familiar with the concept of “face” in Chinese culture, are you?

Had the PM pounced on this and very publicly removed Mr. Chiang as a candidate, Mr. Chiang would have lost even more face than he already has, and many Chinese Canadians would have taken note of that. I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Carney gave Chiang an option to resign and save some face. I think the news media would have had far more hyperbolic coverage about this story had Carney removed him as a candidate. Instead, he let him resign, and I don’t think the story will be getting much more coverage from the mainstream media.

As for HK and Taiwanese Chinese Canadians, is this result not enough? Was a public flogging of Mr. Chiang needed instead?

The situation has been dealt with and Chiang is no longer a candidate. Had the PM gone out of his way to embarrass Chiang, that could have hurt his entire party’s poll numbers with Chinese Canadians, who are quite a sizeable cohort of voters. Some might have wanted this dealt with swifter, but I don’t think they were considering how that might have impacted support among Chinese Canadians.
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What sources do I need to rely on? I’m well familiar with the concept of “face” in Chinese culture, are you?

Had the PM pounced on this and very publicly removed Mr. Chiang as a candidate, Mr. Chiang would have lost even more face than he already has, and many Chinese Canadians would have taken note of that. I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Carney gave Chiang an option to resign and save some face. I think the news media would have had far more hyperbolic coverage about this story had Carney removed him as a candidate. Instead, he let him resign, and I don’t think the story will be getting much more coverage from the mainstream media.

As for HK and Taiwanese Chinese Canadians, is this result not enough? Was a public flogging of Mr. Chiang needed instead?

The situation has been dealt with and Chiang is no longer a candidate. Had the PM gone out of his way to embarrass Chiang, that could have hurt his entire party’s poll numbers with Chinese Canadians, who are quite a sizeable cohort of voters. Some might have wanted this dealt with swifter, but I don’t think they were considering how that might have impacted support among Chinese Canadians.
So basically this is a rant of your own political aims, by trying to co-opt the concept of face? Whose face is being saved here?

How did you become familiar with the concept of face? Did you work in Asia, Hong Kong or Taiwan in the past?
     
     
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You had indoor plumbing? Richie rich over here lol.
MonctonRad tells you a heartfelt story of his tough and modest upbringing including losing his father at age 10, and this is your reply?

How old are you?
What an arsehole response. You're a real jerk.
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What sources do I need to rely on? I’m well familiar with the concept of “face” in Chinese culture, are you?

Had the PM pounced on this and very publicly removed Mr. Chiang as a candidate, Mr. Chiang would have lost even more face than he already has, and many Chinese Canadians would have taken note of that. I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Carney gave Chiang an option to resign and save some face. I think the news media would have had far more hyperbolic coverage about this story had Carney removed him as a candidate. Instead, he let him resign, and I don’t think the story will be getting much more coverage from the mainstream media.

As for HK and Taiwanese Chinese Canadians, is this result not enough? Was a public flogging of Mr. Chiang needed instead?

The situation has been dealt with and Chiang is no longer a candidate. Had the PM gone out of his way to embarrass Chiang, that could have hurt his entire party’s poll numbers with Chinese Canadians, who are quite a sizeable cohort of voters. Some might have wanted this dealt with swifter, but I don’t think they were considering how that might have impacted support among Chinese Canadians.
From a G&M editorial this morning. Chiang's comments were incredibly insulting to Chinese-Canadians with their assumption that they are all fans of the Beijing regime:

...But his so-called joke was not the worst offence. That came just before it, when – based on one reported translation of the comment – he suggested that electing a man wanted by Beijing in a riding that is majority ethnic Chinese would cause a “great controversy.”...


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...e-of-paul-chiangs-unacceptable-comments/
     
     
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I'd argue what we do not want to become is a nation teeming with trailer parks to house the poors and dopers, like our neighbour to the south. Living smaller is an admirable goal, but the outcome does not need to be squalid shantytowns where marginalized people of low education and no prospects languish.
Modular homes are NOT mobile homes. They have a completely different building standard and there are no restrictions anywhere in the country for modular housing.

A mobile home is exactly that......a home that can be moved which is why they don't qualify for CMHC housing. A modular home is a non-moveable one but instead of being built on-site, it is built in a factory and sections are moved to the sites. Modular homes can be made into any housing style, have basements, and 2 or 3 levels. You maybe living beside a modular home and not even know it.

Modular homes are the norm in Sweden & Norway. They are ALWAYS of higher quality build than due to the precise nature of assembly line work and not being subject to rain/snow/wind during the construction process. They can also be built much faster than traditional homes or apts as on-site is restricted to local construction times while modular homes can be produced at the factory 24/7/365. It is also very noteworthy that in order to produce a modular as opposed to exact same style and size on-site requires less skilled workers. Much like a car factory, you do not have to know everything about building the car but simply your small part of it. That is key in a time of a skilled labour shortage.

The gov't should be ordering them en-masse with 3 or 4 different models on different size housing. They should be pre-ordering a million of these homes so the banks will be willing to help companies open/expand their operations. They should also FORCE the cities/metros to take and pay for them and allow only $300k max for the land and $50k max for the city fees so the homes are actually affordable. Where the cities put them is up to them but they MUST take them to put the cities feet to the fire.
     
     
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Modular homes are NOT mobile homes. They have a completely different building standard and there are no restrictions anywhere in the country for modular housing.

A mobile home is exactly that......a home that can be moved which is why they don't qualify for CMHC housing. A modular home is a non-moveable one but instead of being built on-site, it is built in a factory and sections are moved to the sites. Modular homes can be made into any housing style, have basements, and 2 or 3 levels. You maybe living beside a modular home and not even know it.

Modular homes are the norm in Sweden & Norway. They are ALWAYS of higher quality build than due to the precise nature of assembly line work and not being subject to rain/snow/wind during the construction process. They can also be built much faster than traditional homes or apts as on-site is restricted to local construction times while modular homes can be produced at the factory 24/7/365. It is also very noteworthy that in order to produce a modular as opposed to exact same style and size on-site requires less skilled workers. Much like a car factory, you do not have to know everything about building the car but simply your small part of it. That is key in a time of a skilled labour shortage.

The gov't should be ordering them en-masse with 3 or 4 different models on different size housing. They should be pre-ordering a million of these homes so the banks will be willing to help companies open/expand their operations. They should also FORCE the cities/metros to take and pay for them and allow only $300k max for the land and $50k max for the city fees so the homes are actually affordable. Where the cities put them is up to them but they MUST take them to put the cities feet to the fire.
All good points. In Scandinavia they benefit from production in lower cost Eastern Europe. We could do the same if we guaranteed Mexico for example enough business to make it worthwhile.
     
     
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