Canadian Federal Election - Page 208

LikesBikes · #**4141** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 1:32 PM**

The thing about the % of Canadians wanting to be American is that it's only because Trump is in office. If Kamala had won and PP was winning in the polls there would be virtually no Conservatives wanting to join the US. It's all partisan BS.

kwoldtimer · #**4142** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 1:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

She Strikes Again...

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/03/27/news/danielle-smith-ben-shapiro-prageru-fundraiser

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and conservative influencer Ben Shapiro discussed how to help Canada elect “solid allies” to the Trump administration during a private gala in south Florida, according to audio of the event obtained by DeSmog and Canada’s National Observer.

“There was a massive conservative movement that's happening in Canada,” Shapiro said during the 25-minute conversation with Smith. “I think the obstacles to that need to be removed. It is better for the United States to have actual solid allies running in Canada than to have some of the schmucks that have been running Canada over the past few years.”

Makes her sound increasingly out of touch with Canadians. And, I would think, with a substantial number of Albertans. Concern with oil exports seems to have pushed aside all other considerations.

MolsonExport · #**4143** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 1:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

She Strikes Again...

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/03/27/news/danielle-smith-ben-shapiro-prageru-fundraiser

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and conservative influencer Ben Shapiro discussed how to help Canada elect “solid allies” to the Trump administration during a private gala in south Florida, according to audio of the event obtained by DeSmog and Canada’s National Observer.

“There was a massive conservative movement that's happening in Canada,” Shapiro said during the 25-minute conversation with Smith. “I think the obstacles to that need to be removed. It is better for the United States to have actual solid allies running in Canada than to have some of the schmucks that have been running Canada over the past few years.”

Maple MAGA. Despicable.

I am sure that the "fair and balanced", so called "impartial" folk here will not protest though.

casper · #**4144** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 2:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Maple MAGA. Despicable.

I am sure that the "fair and balanced", so called "impartial" folk here will not protest though.

The two quotes from that article that standout......

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Shapiro added that “It’s a silly country that makes maple syrup, hockey and annoying prime ministers,” stating that “we can annex it and then just call it an outlying territory or something like Puerto Rico, but of the North.”

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"She meanwhile declined to condemn an effort by a group of Albertans including former Medicine Hat Conservative MP LaVar Payne advocating for Alberta statehood within the U.S. as part of a “delegation to Washington.” Smith has suggested a referendum on statehood would be an appropriate way to deal with separatist sentiment.

I think that makes clear how Smith and the American lobby group she is supporting view where we are.

I use to view Smith as mis-guided and opportunistic. I am now coming along to view her as a traitor as others have indicated.

Dengler Avenue · #**4145** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 2:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

Today's new Mainstreet Poll has the race only 3 points apart now. 44 LPC, 41 CPC.

Liason's new daily poll however has the LPC at 44 VS 37 for CPC.

Fun times ahead! PP def has a very motivated base. They are flocking to the rallies, begging for lawn signs right away. That does count for something. Will it be enough in the end? Time will tell.

If you ever swing by the 905’s and/or the 416’s, can you tell us how many lawn signs of each party you see (although I don’t know if those are sufficiently indicative of voter intention)?

Acajack · #**4146** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 2:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

The Conservatives aren't at all low in the polls. The big thing to watch is if their supporters will show up to vote and how efficient their vote will be. We haven't seen the party platforms yet and that will be something that gets closely scrutinized. Otherwise, the big thing will be to see how PP behaves and how well he can campaign and debate. So far he obviously didn't have a good start and I don't know what he could do to gain support so it's about holding what he has. Carney and the Liberals will need to have a campaign without big stumbles if they are to maintain their lead.

Conservative/Poilievre supporters do seem to be angrier and more determined on average. I guess we will see if that sparks a bigger turnout on their side. They do have a pretty huge natural vote inefficiency disadvantage to make up for if they want to have any chance on April 28.

Some of the Carney support is no doubt a bandwagon thing, almost a "fashion". He's the thinking man's "Trudeau 2015". The opposite foil to nasty Poilievre.

Carney is obviously not as charismatic and attractive as early years PMJT, but arguably way more competent which sort of allays some of the bitter disappointment that many usual Liberal voters have over the 10 years that have gone by.

Under normal circumstances a smarter less charismatic version of JT probably doesn't get the feel-good softer vote out like angry right wingers can, but the situation with Trump/US makes a huge difference this time.

It's still Carney for me.

samne · #**4147** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If you ever swing by the 905’s and/or the 416’s, can you tell us how many lawn signs of each party you see (although I don’t know if those are sufficiently indicative of voter intention)?

My 416 neighborhood is surprisingly 50/50 red and blue signs. Not one orange sign seen yet.

Dengler Avenue · #**4148** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:04 PM**

At this point I wonder whether this election will be more like Wynne vs Hudak (Ontario 2014) or Trump vs Biden (U.S. 2020).

BlackDog204 · #**4149** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by LikesBikes

The thing about the % of Canadians wanting to be American is that it's only because Trump is in office.

There has always been a small percentage of Canadians, who want to join the US. It may have even shrunk under Trump.

kwoldtimer · #**4150** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

There has always been a small percentage of Canadians, who want to join the US. It may have even shrunk under Trump.

I suspect you'd find a measurable percentage in every country in the world.

CanSpice · #**4151** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Polls are BS, it's impossible for the Libs to win 40%+ of the vote and the Cons are high enough that a majority for PP is still my most expected result.

Canadians are r*tarded, they're gonna vote the con because "muh libs bad"

I say this in the kindest way possible: you need to go touch some grass. You were doom and gloom in the BC politics thread for the longest time, and now you're breaking out slurs? Seriously, log off, go find a hobby that doesn't involve the internet, talk to some friends in real life.

Acajack · #**4152** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:43 PM**

Donald Trump may have just delivered close to a death blow to Pierre Poilievre.

Dengler Avenue · #**4153** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Donald Trump may have just delivered close to a death blow to Pierre Poilievre.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/28/union-rights-federal-workers-donald-trump-00257010

Do you mean this?

Acajack · #**4154** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/28/union-rights-federal-workers-donald-trump-00257010

Do you mean this?

Nope.

Acajack · #**4155** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:49 PM**

This:

https://x.com/DimitrisSoudas/status/1905640993329680689/photo/1

Dengler Avenue · #**4156** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

This:

https://x.com/DimitrisSoudas/status/1905640993329680689/photo/1

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We “will be meeting immediately after Canada’s upcoming Election,” the president posted.

Yea I find that suspicious too.
On the other hand, there may be a way for PP to spin it to CPC's advantage. A senior producer with the Parliamentary bureau’s digital team notes that possibility too: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/livesto...ductive-amid-ongoing-trade-war-9.6702313
It comes down to how many voters buy whose message.

Acajack · #**4157** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 4:00 PM**

So Trump seems to like Carney. For the moment.

I find it interesting that Trump is supposedly Satan and Public Enemy Number One and we're not supposed to give in to him, but on the other hand we have to vote for the guy that he wants in our own federal election so that he stays happy.

(Personally I actually have no idea if in the medium to long term Canada-US relations in the Trump 2.0 era would be better with Carney or Poilievre as PM.)

missing_middle · #**4158** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 4:04 PM**

This is going to be a pretty divisive election given the way it shaping up.

In particular a majority result off a ~4% popular vote advantage from the 10yr incumbent party could set off some anger.

Carney being more center-right probably quells it some extent but I dunno...

Dengler Avenue · #**4159** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 4:04 PM**

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I find it interesting that Trump is supposedly Satan and Public Enemy Number One and we're not supposed to give in to him, but on the other hand we have to vote for the guy that he wants in our own federal election so that he stays happy.

And that's how he f's with Canadians. The electoral campaign will only get more divisive from here.

MonctonRad · #**4160** Posted **Mar 28, 2025, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

(Personally I actually have no idea if in the medium to long term Canada-US relations in the Trump 2.0 era would be better with Carney or Poilievre as PM.)

I would expect Carney to be steadfast, stalwart, reasonable, rational and predictable.

PP would be less so.

I think Carney's approach is more reassuring.