Canadian Federal Election

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's actually entirely logical that that fact is why it might be more socially acceptable in certain circles to crap on it, or be indifferent to people crapping on it?

Does anyone have any social media posts from Canadian politicians deploring the burning down of 33 Catholic churches since 2021?

I'll happily stand corrected if there are a number of them.

EDIT: And 85 Catholic churches have been damaged by fire or vandalism since 2021.

I'm not sure where you're getting the numbers from, since, as usual you didn't bother to source them.


Regarding political condemnation, the wikipedia article on the 2021 arsons links to this CBC report:

'Unacceptable and wrong': Trudeau condemns attacks on churches: Federal government has renewed funding to provide security for religious sites

There is a link to a Jason Kenney condemnation too. I'm sure there are plenty of others if I could be bothered to look harder, but hopefully we can dismiss the idea that people don't care about churches being burned down as ridiculous on the face of it.

(It's not that hard to provide a link to your sources; you should try it some time)

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

I'm still waiting for you to back up this assertion with factual evidence.

Here you go… https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/...s-outsized-contribution-to-confederation

It’s peer reviewed is it not?

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The discussion primarily drags on because people dig in and deny it's ever happened.

You know what I see in this thread? A few people making claims with absolutely zero substantiation and acting as though the claims are prima facie correct. Why in the world should I accept a claim that is plainly nonsense?

Christmas is not and has never been under attack here.

Christianity is not an especially persecuted religion in Canada.

I'm not even sure you can call the arson against the Catholic church religiously motivated yet as we don't know who the perpatrators are and their motivations. There is a reasonable reason to believe that the attacks are retribution against the institution and not motivated by animus against Christianity or Catholicism in particular.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I'm not sure where you're getting the numbers from, since, as usual you didn't bother to source them.


Regarding political condemnation, the wikipedia article on the 2021 arsons links to this CBC report:

'Unacceptable and wrong': Trudeau condemns attacks on churches: Federal government has renewed funding to provide security for religious sites

There is a link to a Jason Kenney condemnation too. I'm sure there are plenty of others if I could be bothered to look harder, but hopefully we can dismiss the idea that people don't care about churches being burned down as ridiculous on the face of it.

(It's not that hard to provide a link to your sources; you should try it some time)

Trudeaus statement was made after several buildings were already destroyed. And Manitobas legislature grounds were already vandalized during Canada Day celebrations the day before, maybe if he’d spoke up sooner… ohh well

[BlackDog204]

***BREAKING NEWS***

Two Conservative insiders told Journalist Stephen Maher that Poilievre’s team discussed using Conservative candidate Jamil Jivani, to send back channel messages to JD Vance requesting Donald Trump “distance himself from Poilievre”



https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contribu...04447ba-f65f-49dc-bc6e-4ddf9bbff4f7.html

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jamincan

You know what I see in this thread? A few people making claims with absolutely zero substantiation and acting as though the claims are prima facie correct. Why in the world should I accept a claim that is plainly nonsense?

Christmas is not and has never been under attack here.

Christianity is not an especially persecuted religion in Canada.

I'm not even sure you can call the arson against the Catholic church religiously motivated yet as we don't know who the perpatrators are and their motivations. There is a reasonable reason to believe that the attacks are retribution against the institution and not motivated by animus against Christianity or Catholicism in particular.

I am sorry but this makes no sense at all as a logical counter-argument.

So then islamophobic or anti-semitic incidents are all retribution for islamist terrorist attacks against non-Muslims or for Israel's treatment of Palestinians?

That's exactly what a lot of islamophobes and anti-semites say when they get caught red-handed or make excuses for their hatred.

It's total BS in those cases and it's BS when it comes to the churches as well.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by jamincan

You know what I see in this thread? A few people making claims with absolutely zero substantiation and acting as though the claims are prima facie correct. Why in the world should I accept a claim that is plainly nonsense?

Christmas is not and has never been under attack here.

Christianity is not an especially persecuted religion in Canada.

I'm not even sure you can call the arson against the Catholic church religiously motivated yet as we don't know who the perpatrators are and their motivations. There is a reasonable reason to believe that the attacks are retribution against the institution and not motivated by animus against Christianity or Catholicism in particular.

Well the police labeled the church burnings and vandalism as hate crimes… so…

https://catholicreview.org/hate-crimes-t...-against-catholics-increase-260-percent/

[Winnipegger]

Originally Posted by samne

Socialists can’t get PhD’s?

I call bait and switch for election convenience on those tax cuts.

I don’t know what his history as a Central Banker would suggest. People in England seem to think he was a disaster there.

BTW, China and Cuba both have Central Bankers…

"Socialism is when the government does stuff I don't like (carbon tax, child care subsidies, urban transit projects, and pharmacare) and Capitalism is when the government does stuff I like (tax breaks for corporations, federal subsidies for pipelines and O&G production, highway and rail projects)."

- You, probably.

If you are the type of person who can look at someone that was:
- The governor of two western central banks
- Who earned his Ph.D. in Economics at Oxford, studied under Margaret Meyer, and wrote his Ph.D. thesis on "The dynamic advantage of competition" (thanks wikipedia!)
- Who worked for Goldman Sachs
- Who worked for Brookfield Asset Management

And conclude that this guy is a socialist, then I don't think there is anything anyone could say that could change your mind on anything, you're just not that type of person.

What I can say is that if Carney was going to enter politics pre-MAGA era, conservatives would be on their hands and knees begging for him to take the helm. Carney is as neoliberal as they come, and we should be so blessed to have someone focused on the meat and potatoes of economic growth, global trade, and political/economic stability during the current crisis as opposed to a maple-MAGA smooth-brained career politician whose only tangible skill is coming up with one-line political slogans aimed at appeasing the easily-impressed, low information voters in the country.

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by samne

Christmas parties at work and Christmas concerts at school are now Holiday parties and Holiday concerts.

Who can forget the Holiday Tree at Toronto City Hall.

Not saying I’m either way, just saying this is how it is now.

I've only ever seen people complain about this. I haven't actually heard anyone talk about Holiday trees or an office "Holiday party". For what it's worth, the City of Toronto refers to it as a Christmas Tree.

There is maybe more reference to the "holidays" or "holiday season" around Christmas, but this is just recognition that there are multiple holidays at that time of year. No one says that for Easter. Perhaps my workplaces and schools haven't been woke enough, but we always have our Christmas party, or Christmas assembly. The mall gets decorated for Christmas. We have Christmas lights on our houses and on the trees outside. We have a Christmas Market leading up to Christmas. We send out Christmas cards to our friends, family, and clients.

What's astonishing is that anyone can go through the Christmas season and believe that Christmas is somehow under attack. Our society is saturated with it.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I've only ever seen people complain about this. I haven't actually heard anyone talk about Holiday trees or an office "Holiday party". For what it's worth, the City of Toronto refers to it as a Christmas Tree.
.

Pretty sure that's a backtrack in recent years.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jamincan

No one says that for Easter. Perhaps my

Easter presents a bit of a dilemma or challenge, I'd say.

[BlackDog204]

This is precisely the problem with populism. There is more and more evidence that Danielle Smith and some in Poilievres inner circle reached out to the Trump Administration, and asked him to interfere in the Canadian election, which is now gaining traction now only in Canada, but is news in places like America and Europe.

Yet, there is now 3 pages of irrelevant garbage about very mild issues in regards to Christianity, and Christmas. This is just like the Transgender grooming issue- meant to distract attention away from the Conservatives committing borderline treason.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

pathetic.

And cons complained about the Stop Harper signs. These rude , uncivilized knuckle draggers need to keep their shit in rigpig workcamps far from civilization.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

This is precisely the problem with populism. There is more and more evidence that Danielle Smith and some in Poilievres inner circle reached out to the Trump Administration, and asked him to interfere in the Canadian election, which is now gaining traction now only in Canada, but is news in places like America and Europe.

Yet, there is now 3 pages of irrelevant garbage about very mild issues in regards to Christianity, and Christmas. This is just like the Transgender grooming issue- meant to distract attention away from the Conservatives committing borderline treason.

There again the problem is similar: part of it is the deliberate creation of a distraction to take attention away from the fundamentals as you say, but part of it is also digging in and denying that anything at all is going on.

[BlackDog204]

The RCMP and Elections Canada should ideally launch and immediate investigation regarding inviting foreign interference on the Canadian election.

[MonctonRad]

The second paragraph is particularly damning. I hadn't thought of it in that way.

If Danielle is more interested in delaying the tariffs than arguing against tariffs in general, then one really has to question where her loyalties lie.........

And, the Hunter Biden comparison, just wow...............

[BlackDog204]

This story has now been picked up by the United States, India, and European countries. This is a huge bombshell, and illegal under the Elections Act, and possibly the Criminal Code. Smith and the UCP, is already the subject of an active RCMP investigation in Alberta.

Should she be arrested at this point? I mean she has decided to avoid the media, and meet with right wing media personality Ben Shapiro, who incidentally has previously endorsed Poilievre, and suggested Justin Trudeau be "expelled to the Panama Canal." All this on the taxpayers dime.

[suburbanite]

While Smith is clearly a fool here, I have a tough time drawing some sort of legal equivalency between those two actions. One was basically asking another country to initiate new action under a quid pro quo arrangement. One is asking for relief from current actions without any indication of some payment in kind. Either way, it's a stupid thing for any premier to do.

[samne]

I’m not sure pausing Tariff negotiations since we don’t have a functioning government to properly deal with it sounds outrageous.

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There again the problem is similar: part of it is the deliberate creation of a distraction to take attention away from the fundamentals as you say, but part of it is also digging in and denying that anything at all is going on.

This is the 2025 election thread. Whining about wokeism has been old news since before Trump's first election.

I always say "merry Christmas" at work and talk about my faith at work socials without any pushback, and 1/4 of my colleagues are gay as I am. Conservative victimhood is as nauseating as it is detached from reality.