General Vancouver Development Updates II

[jollyburger]

Yeah and I guess they are too far along so the costs to change the height would be an issue as well. They were envisioning 16/20 storey towers on the COV site.

[jollyburger]

$200 million for that new detox/social housing on Clark/East 1st

https://www.biv.com/news/massive-social-...vancouver-sees-costs-reach-200m-10411203

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

$200 million for that new detox/social housing on Clark/East 1st

https://www.biv.com/news/massive-social-...vancouver-sees-costs-reach-200m-10411203

For 97 homes - that’s $2,000,000+ per home. We getting robbed in broad daylight light.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Lexus

For 97 homes - that’s $2,000,000+ per home. We getting robbed in broad daylight light.

That's less than half of what's being built. The withdrawal management centre (detox) is larger than the housing element, with 51 beds and treatment space, and outpatient facilities, and 20 interim housing units for individuals that have finished detox and are moving towards long-term solutions.

Think of it as a specialist hospital building which happens to have 117 low cost rental apartments as a bonus.

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by Changing City

That's less than half of what's being built. The withdrawal management centre (detox) is larger than the housing element, with 51 beds and treatment space, and outpatient facilities, and 20 interim housing units for individuals that have finished detox and are moving towards long-term solutions.

Think of it as a specialist hospital building which happens to have 117 low cost rental apartments as a bonus.

Thanks, now it makes a bit more sense!

[jollyburger]

It's like any other project with cost overruns because of materials/labour. It was $81.8 million in 2018. Around $109 million in the 2023 budget.

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law-pol...vancouver-to-begin-construction-10334129

I guess they'll make back a few million if they owned the old East 2nd Ave property.

[dleung]

Well it's $180 million for 140,000 square feet, so since the "hospital" part is 50,000 square feet, if the 90,000sf mid-rise residential is $500psf including soft costs, then the hospital part is nearly $2700psf??

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouve...clark-drive-east-1st-avenue-construction

[logan5]

A hospital has far more mechanical and electrical systems, compared to a residential building, and likely far more stringent building codes.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by dleung

Well it's $180 million for 140,000 square feet, so since the "hospital" part is 50,000 square feet, if the 90,000sf mid-rise residential is $500psf including soft costs, then the hospital part is nearly $2700psf??

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouve...clark-drive-east-1st-avenue-construction

Actually the 2018 project cost was even lower since it included $16.7 million for the COV 99-year ground lease. And $18 million was "soft costs" The construction was 46.5 million. Chandos had a 55 million dollar value with a 220,000 sq feet building

https://council.vancouver.ca/20190129/documents/p1.pdf

https://council.vancouver.ca/20180502/documents/cfsc4presentation.pdf

https://www.chandos.com/projects/live-affordable-housing/bc-housing-on-clark/

They added another parking level as well from the original proposal. From the 204,000 sq feet building area the parking/Loading 50K sq feet etc got deducted down to that 140K number

https://web.archive.org/web/202104070119...plications/1636clark/documents/stats.pdf

[seamusmcduff]

My understanding from engineers I've talked to is that hospitals can cost at least 4x more per sf than other buildings.

[officedweller]

Plan for Vancouver’s new Jewish Community Centre shrinks, while residential towers rise
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jewish-c...r-vancouver-design-revisions-first-phase

[Changing City]

I'll put this here, as it's being developed under the new 'City building market rental'
policy, although it's an SEFC site too. Here's the design for the 780 unit twin towers on Main / Quebec and Terminal.



changing city blog

[Spr0ckets]

Love the height.

42 storeys will be great for that location - even though I'm sure some will insist it should have gone higher.

I would hope it would spur a rethink of the McDonald's site proposal for more height for it too, but any more density around that Main skytrain station will always be welcome.

Along with the residential towers proposal going on across the street to the northeast at the location of the former office proposal, this should make for a nice addition of transit oriented-housing in that area, and not too far from the future hospital.

[GenWhy?]

Glad to see the City prove that their own policies don't work and are bad / pointless (FSR and height maximums, floor plate sizes, shadowing, view cones)

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Glad to see the City prove that their own policies don't work and are bad / pointless (FSR and height maximums, floor plate sizes, shadowing, view cones)

Most of them "worked" because they were in place where there was lots of land to build into without encroaching on their precious policies.

[jollyburger]

Interesting infill housing at Oak/King Edward from Westbank (they're still alive?)

The City of Vancouver has received an application to rezone the subject site from C-2 (Commercial) District to CD-1 (Comprehensive Development) District. The proposal is to allow for the development of a 14-storey mixed-use building and includes:

85 strata residential units;
Commercial space on the ground floor;
A floor space ratio (FSR) of 8.0; and
A building height of 43.3 m (143 ft.).

Architect: Olson Kundig from Seattle

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1010-w-king-edward

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

Rezoning for the City owned site at Main & Terminal just north of the McDonald’s.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Guest&PosseObjectId=258445561

Archeology/HCMA

The City of Vancouver has received an application to rezone the subject site from FC-1 (Commercial) District to CD-1 (Comprehensive Development) District. The proposal is to allow for the development of a 42-storey and 25-storey mixed-use rental building with a six-storey podium and includes:

780 units;
Commercial space on the ground floor;
A floor space ratio (FSR) of 11.27; and
A building height of 129.5 m (425 ft.) and 79.8 m (262 ft.) with additional height for rooftop amenity space.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1405-main-st-and-1510-quebec-st

The revised proposal includes mid-rise buildings with an average height of 20 storeys, towers between 40 to 50 storeys, and the two Georgia Gateway towers at 60 storeys, and potentially exceeding the height of the Living Shangri-La Vancouver tower, which stands at 659 ft.

Our proposed 42 storey landmark terminus gateway tower would be of similar height to the lower 40 to 50 storey towers proposed in the revised concept by Concord Pacific.

MAIN AND BROADWAY MEGA TOWER INCOMING. Seems like the entire block around The Lee Building. Also some large towers at Cambie/Broadway (A&W and Wendy's corner?) and Olympic Village Station (Robinson Lighting). Tallest tower at Senakw will be 560 feet?



Summary here:

https://storeys.com/vhdo-main-quebec-terminal-rezoning/

[logan5]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Interesting infill housing at Oak/King Edward from Westbank (they're still alive?)





Architect: Olson Kundig from Seattle

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1010-w-king-edward

This proposal doesn't follow the Cambie Corridor Plan at all...

1010 King Edward Avenue, 4141, 4157, 4175 Oak Street & 1007 26th Avenue

Uses: Mixed-use

Density: Up to 3.0 FSR*

Height: Up to 6 storeys with provision of a sensitive height transition to adjacent residential uses

• A mix of commercial uses, which may include retail,
service, or community-serving uses, is required at
grade

• 100% rental residential required above grade (unless
office uses above grade)

[logan5]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Archeology/HCMA





https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1405-main-st-and-1510-quebec-st





MAIN AND BROADWAY MEGA TOWER INCOMING. Seems like the entire block around The Lee Building. Also some large towers at Cambie/Broadway (A&W and Wendy's corner?) and Olympic Village Station (Robinson Lighting). Tallest tower at Senakw will be 560 feet?



Summary here:

https://storeys.com/vhdo-main-quebec-terminal-rezoning/

Not sure where you got that diagram, but those towers sketched in on the west side of Main and Broadway fall with the QE viewcone, so not likely any mega towers there.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by logan5

Not sure where you got that diagram, but those towers sketched in on the west side of Main and Broadway fall with the QE viewcone, so not likely any mega towers there.

It's in the rezoning application from the city housing development agency so it's probably well sourced. Most if not all of those towers impede in the QE viewcone.. It probably looks taller because it's the closest tower. Maybe it'll be 400-450 feet tall.

It's right on the edge of the QE viewcone as well. The other side of Main is outside of the view corridor.

Reliance's project down the block (slightly lower) was allowed 30 storeys without hitting the view cone.