Canadian Federal Election

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Meuhud

How Canadians can consider to vote for the Liberal party again, given their proven record of failure of the past decade, is inconceivalbe to me. Also Carney is weak on combatting anti-semitism and that is a disgrace!

PP has shown as that he couldn't even be an effective leader of the opposition. Why would be want someone who tried Trump-style tactics? If the CPC had picked Jean Charest as its leader then someone like me would have voted for the party. I'd much rather have Carney and the Liberals with all of the Trump nonsense affecting us.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Eastern Canada is still content on blocking a pipeline, so the only other way to go is south..

Liberal supporters

“ why is she talking to the evil orange man”’???

2+2 is 4, 2+2 is 4

If you haven't seen recent polls, even 60% of Quebecers approve of an West-East pipeline for energy security.

[samne]

If I were Pierre I’d hammer in the result of Liberals the past 10 years and ask if you want more of this.

Higher house prices
Higher food prices
More homeless
More addiction
Weakest economy in OECD
Less access to healthcare
Extreme woke ideology


forget the Liberal derailing and elbows up nonsense. Trump is a convenient distraction from a Lost Liberal Decade.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by samne

If I were Pierre I’d hammer in the result of Liberals the past 10 years and ask if you want more of this.

Higher house prices
Higher food prices
More homeless
More addiction
Weakest economy in OECD
Less access to healthcare
Extreme woke ideology


forget the Liberal derailing and elbows up nonsense. Trump is a convenient distraction from a Lost Liberal Decade.

If all he does is attack the Liberals, I think he's going to have difficulty. I sense Canadians are looking for more than negatives at the moment. Imo, he needs to start spelling out a more positive alternative.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by samne

If I were Pierre I’d hammer in the result of Liberals the past 10 years and ask if you want more of this.

Higher house prices
Higher food prices
More homeless
More addiction
Weakest economy in OECD
Less access to healthcare
Extreme woke ideology


forget the Liberal derailing and elbows up nonsense. Trump is a convenient distraction from a Lost Liberal Decade.

PP has already gone on and on about those things whether they are actually true or not. The big problem for PP is that he really doesn't have solutions or attractive ideas. He is always negative.

[samne]

Continue a Lost Liberal Decade vs. Change.

Choice is simple.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Meuhud

How Canadians can consider to vote for the Liberal party again, given their proven record of failure of the past decade, is inconceivalbe to me. Also Carney is weak on combatting anti-semitism and that is a disgrace!

I hope Carney breaks ranks with the United States, on Canada's position on Israel. What Hamas did on October 7, 2023 was horrific, and Israel had every right to launch a military operation against Hamas, and weed them out of Gaza.

However, the IDF has levelled over 90% of the buildings in Gaza, which includes all Hospitals, Universities, Mosques, Day Cares, Retirement Homes, etc. Now 2,000,000 people, most of them women and children with no affiliation to Hamas, are starving to death, as the Israelis block attempts from organizations to deliver food to the people.

And now with the backing of the United States, Israel is deliberately targeting civilians in air strikes. Let's call it what it is. A genocide. I was a staunch supporter of Israel for over 40 years. However, I now am siding with the people of Gaza.

Israel should know better, considering what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust. Two wrongs do not make a right. I would urge Carney to immediately recognise the State of Palestine. It's the least Canada can do. Our foreign policy should not be dictated by America, like it has since the aftermath of WW2.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Loco101

PP has shown as that he couldn't even be an effective leader of the opposition. Why would be want someone who tried Trump-style tactics? If the CPC had picked Jean Charest as its leader then someone like me would have voted for the party. I'd much rather have Carney and the Liberals with all of the Trump nonsense affecting us.

I suspect reasonable people could differ on that.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I hope Carney breaks ranks with the United States, on Canada's position on Israel. What Hamas did on October 7, 2023 was horrific, and Israel had every right to launch a military operation against Hamas, and weed them out of Gaza.

However, the IDF has levelled over 90% of the buildings in Gaza, which includes all Hospitals, Universities, Mosques, Day Cares, Retirement Homes, etc. Now 2,000,000 people, most of them women and children with no affiliation to Hamas, are starving to death, as the Israelis block attempts from organizations to deliver food to the people.

And now with the backing of the United States, Israel is deliberately targeting civilians in air strikes. Let's call it what it is. A genocide. I was a staunch supporter of Israel for over 40 years. However, I now am siding with the people of Gaza.

The Jewish people should know better, considering what happened to the in the Holocaust. Two wrongs do not make a right. I would urge Carney to immediately recognise the State of Palestine. It's the least Canada can do. Our foreign policy should not be dictated by America, like it has since the aftermath of WW2.

I suspect a symbolic act like that is unlikely whichever party wins the election.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I hope Carney breaks ranks with the United States, on Canada's position on Israel. What Hamas did on October 7, 2023 was horrific, and Israel had every right to launch a military operation against Hamas, and weed them out of Gaza.

However, the IDF has levelled over 90% of the buildings in Gaza, which includes all Hospitals, Universities, Mosques, Day Cares, Retirement Homes, etc. Now 2,000,000 people, most of them women and children with no affiliation to Hamas, are starving to death, as the Israelis block attempts from organizations to deliver food to the people.

And now with the backing of the United States, Israel is deliberately targeting civilians in air strikes. Let's call it what it is. A genocide. I was a staunch supporter of Israel for over 40 years. However, I now am siding with the people of Gaza.

The Jewish people should know better, considering what happened to the in the Holocaust. Two wrongs do not make a right. I would urge Carney to immediately recognise the State of Palestine. It's the least Canada can do. Our foreign policy should not be dictated by America, like it has since the aftermath of WW2.

Ignoring the long and off-topic debate on the conflict itself Carney seems to be moving back towards the centre and away from what was unprecedented criticism of Israel.

[JakeLRS]

Originally Posted by samne

If I were Pierre I’d hammer in the result of Liberals the past 10 years and ask if you want more of this.

Higher house prices
Higher food prices
More homeless
More addiction
Weakest economy in OECD
Less access to healthcare
Extreme woke ideology


forget the Liberal derailing and elbows up nonsense. Trump is a convenient distraction from a Lost Liberal Decade.

I think Pierre needs to also really hammer home immigration policy, a big issue in Ontario, but else well as other spots in the country. Everyone is worried about trump, and rightfully so, but also reminding them about other domestic issues will keep the conversation going and challenge the liberals on this front.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

A Cdn telling the US administration to stop / pause until after the election to be able to help the individual that is more aligned with their goals isn't interference?

"...the perspective that Pierre would bring would be very much in sync with, I think…the new direction in America."

Just WOW... if a Liberal premier or the premier of Quebec did this... the Conservatives would never let it go. The double standard is beyond words... they would sell us out for the 51st at the first instance.

As I said earlier, I lived and worked in an industry that relied heavily on the oil and gas industry in Alberta. Most Albertans are good people, and the educated ones strongly disagree with Smith. However, the sad fact is that most rural Albertans do agree, especially in Southern Alberta. It's mainly due to low levels of education, and some towns being dependant on the oil and gas industry.

Having said that, most Canadians are getting sick and tired of Alberta politicians (that receive millions from the Oil and Gas industry) whining about how "unfair" they are treated. It's a bunch of BS, and even most educated Albertans that do not work in the O & G industry agree with. For the UCP to side with the Trump Administration, and give Canada an ultimatum like this, when such an existential threat is looming, is unforgivable.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I suspect that the CPC plan would have the price difference just eaten up by the developers and not make a significant dent in housing affordability. The market is priced to what people can afford in theory, after all, and cutting the GST doesn't really change that equation. Targeting first-time home buyers, however, will limit the ability for developers to eat up the difference as they would then be pricing out other buyers.

I suppose that does lend credibility to Mike Moffatt's argument. A cut in GST for all new construction would massively incentivize construction as the margin would go up considerably. Arguably, overall housing prices should come down as well for non-new build housing.

Jon Pasalis is also right. A lot of new build construction on the lower end of the market is targeted toward investment buyers and is not really suited to new homeowners. The CPC plan would likely only exacerbate this issue, especially as we look at a possible recession where investors would be ready to snap up a relatively safe bargain. Is a tonne of new supply that is eaten up by investors going to help? But will the LPC plan add enough supply?

It's not at all clear to me.

You could be right re developers eating the price difference and they probably eventually will. I think the argument has been that in a time with low demand (like now), builders aren't able to cut price to meet the market because of sunk costs. I'm not sure if the GST cut really moves the needle that much anyway, but it's effectively a 5% discount that developers don't need to give and in theory they won't gobble that up because they're desperate for anything to sell right now.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by Hecate

The liberals had carney advertisements on during the hockey game last night, you hypocrite.

Can’t wait to see your response to this.

They've both been advertising.

When the PM says he is going to Rideau Hall for 12:00 - you show some class, respect and not call an event for 11:30.

It is all about Pierre - entitlement - which you can't see even when it smacks you right in the face.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Carney’s Campaign Slogan: Canada Strong
Poilievre’s Campaign Slogan: Canada First
Smith's Campaign Slogan: America First.

"A new poll conducted by Research Co. on tariffs in Canada asked whether respondents were on board with the notion of initiating a formal process for Canada to become an American state, and Alberta led the pack in being the most responsive to it.

Alberta leads Canada in support of joining the United States, with 12% of respondents saying they would “definitely consider it,” followed by 7% saying they would “probably consider it.”

Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario follow closely, with 11% of respondents saying they would definitely consider Canada making an effort to become an American state, while British Columbians were the least receptive, with just 6%."

source: https://dailyhive.com/canada/alberta-poll-canada-becoming-us-state-trump

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Wow.

12% of Albertans want to join America. Perhaps Smith should listen to her constituents, instead of making separatist threats to Ottawa. I know for a fact that Smith and the UCP are deeply unpopular in Alberta, and this may just be a ploy to draw attention away from the huge corruption scandal involving top UCP politicians, and the RCMP investigation into illegal activity they have committed.

[Marshsparrow]

Just watched Pierre -

“A Liberal is a Liberal is a Liberal,”

I'd be out with a Con is a Con is a Con...

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Just watched Pierre -

“A Liberal is a Liberal is a Liberal,”

I'd be out with a Con is a Con is a Con...

Given that our two parties are both very broad churches, I don't know how persuasive that would be for the uncommitted.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I don't agree with her position, but no, it is not.

I agree, it's not foreign interference, at least not technically. This is due to the fact that Smith herself has gone to the US and clearly put her priorities on Trump's table. The rest of Canada is saying "hell no we won't go" while Smith is in Washington saying "make me an offer".

[ssiguy]

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Wow.

12% of Albertans want to join America. Perhaps Smith should listen to her constituents, instead of making separatist threats to Ottawa. I know for a fact that Smith and the UCP are deeply unpopular in Alberta, and this may just be a ploy to draw attention away from the huge corruption scandal involving top UCP politicians, and the RCMP investigation into illegal activity they have committed.[/QUOTE]

That poll is a bit one-sided. The number of Albertans wanting to join the US isn't really any higher than the national average BUT if you were to ask Canadians if they want independence for their province without joining the US, then I think the support in Alberta would be MUCH higher. I think many more Albertans want to be rulers in their own domain and joining the US would just mean swapping Washington for Ottawa and being even more politically impotent.

Of course, Smith knows {but won't admit} that either scenario would crush the Alberta economy. There would be a mass flight of Albertans leaving the province. I think it could lose up to a third of it's population. We saw this in the Quebec sovereignty movement where Quebec {and especially Montreal} saw hundreds of thousands leave the province. This would be much worse in Alberta as much of it's growth has been by international and inter-provincial migration which was the opposite of Quebec and many Francophones who voted NON had to stay due to not being fluent in English.

Of course none of this matters to Smith. She has always been a closet separatist and Trump has suddenly appeared like a knight in shining armour.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by samne

Continue a Lost Liberal Decade vs. Change.

Choice is simple.

It was more a lost Trudeau decade than a lost Liberal decade. Different leadership would have produced a different result, especially the last four years when JT let himself be hostage to Jagmeet.