Canadian Federal Election - Page 156

Hecate · #**3101** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 10:33 PM**

I wonder if Steve mnuchin has said anything to trump about going easy on carney. Stave and carney go way back to Goldman sachs and have seem to have had a very positive working relationship over the past 20 or so years, working together on multiple different projects meeting together as recently as 2018 when Steve was trumps treasury secretary and carney was boe Governor

elly63 · #**3102** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by svlt

This is Carney's election to lose right now unless we can go on an extended break from the Trump news cycle - like at *least* two full weeks just prior to the election without any negative Trump news will be what's needed to seriously turn the tide around IMO.

This! Also, the fact that Carney is the new (important) and acting PM will be hard to counter. The only way Pierre can win is if the Trump narrative goes away and that's not looking likely.

elly63 · #**3103** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hecate

I wonder if Steve mnuchin has said anything to trump about going easy on carney. Stave and carney go way back to Goldman sachs and have seem to have had a very positive working relationship over the past 20 or so years, working together on multiple different projects meeting together as recently as 2018 when Steve was trumps treasury secretary and carney was boe Governor

Nothing Trump says good or bad will help, it will only hurt. I'm sure there must be a contingent of people out there who think Trump's criticism of Pierre was a 5D chess move to actually help him, when in fact what Trump said about both sides was likely the only truth you'll hear from him. He just doesn't care.

JakeLRS · #**3104** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 10:39 PM**

Current state of things:

Liberals: if PP is so confident, why doesn’t he release his radical platform

PP: shares policies such as removing consumer carbon tax and removing gst on homes.

Liberals: thanks, those policies are boosting your numbers so I’m going to take them and act like I created those policies!

This is why, contrary to what people believe, opposition parties don’t like revealing their platforms before an election call, because instead of parties taking ideas in the House of Commons, they steal it and promote for themselves during an election campaign. The liberals frowned upon PP’s policies and yet they are copying them first hand because they are popular with voters.

Hecate · #**3105** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

Nothing Trump says good or bad will help, it will only hurt. I'm sure there must be a contingent of people out there who think Trump's criticism of Pierre was a 5D chess move to actually help him, when in fact what Trump said about both sides was likely the only truth you'll hear from him. He just doesn't care.

Exactly. Hence the silence on carney. Imagine trump congratulating PRIME MINISTER carney and saying he looked forward to working with him? Could backfire immensely.

whatnext · #**3106** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

Nothing Trump says good or bad will help, it will only hurt. I'm sure there must be a contingent of people out there who think Trump's criticism of Pierre was a 5D chess move to actually help him, when in fact what Trump said about both sides was likely the only truth you'll hear from him. He just doesn't care.

This. He simply doesn't care what goes on here.

I hate to say it but I have to give Laura Ingraham a bit of credit for trying to get him to actually think about an answer before he barfed it out but no luck.

elly63 · #**3107** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 11:01 PM**

In all seriousness I think Carney has Trump's number. Just ignore. I'm wondering if we should even counter tariff, just buy Canadian, and mobilize the boycotts (but not officially).

The Trump backlash in the US is likely to coalesce quickly, helping us out.

janbe74 · #**3108** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

In all seriousness I think Carney has Trump's number. Just ignore. I'm wondering if we should even counter tariff, just buy Canadian, and mobilize the boycotts (but not officially).

The Trump backlash in the US is likely to coalesce quickly, helping us out.

Yes we counter tariff.

Hecate · #**3109** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 11:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

This. He simply doesn't care what goes on here.

I hate to say it but I have to give Laura Ingraham a bit of credit for trying to get him to actually think about an answer before he barfed it out but no luck.

I’m not so sure of that. If he didn’t care he wouldn’t be talking about taking us. Unless you think it was all just to piss off Trudeau? Because the rhetoric does seem to have calmed down a bit.

elly63 · #**3110** Posted **Mar 20, 2025, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

This. He simply doesn't care what goes on here.

I hate to say it but I have to give Laura Ingraham a bit of credit for trying to get him to actually think about an answer before he barfed it out but no luck.

I think there are several Conservative commentators who are beginning to see the harm of Trump's financial agenda. She was the first left or right to get him to admit the 60/200 billion lie.

travis3000 · #**3111** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 12:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by svlt

This is Carney's election to lose right now unless we can go on an extended break from the Trump news cycle - like at *least* two full weeks just prior to the election without any negative Trump news will be what's needed to seriously turn the tide around IMO. Now even random immigrant grandmas and grandpas that I talk to who are usually totally disassociated with much of the news cycle knows tangentially we are under some lunatic's threat from the USA, and will be voting for whoever does better to stop it.

My heavily Conservative older relatives don't think "the Conservative guy" (they don't even know Pierre's name) stands up for Canada very much - or is even doing very much at all period - and though they did stop short of declaring they'd vote for Carney just yet, are almost unanimous in saying they're just glad JT is gone. All anecdotes, sure, but the shift is reflected in the polling data.

Trump isn't going to do any more favors to Poilievre aside from a quick "I don't like that guy, he's stupid" remark. He's got more important things to worry about (besides golf). I have real doubts he can just shut up about Canada in April. I think today might be the first day in a while he hasn't mentioned 51st state sometime?

April 2nd is coming, the big tariff day. I can guarantee you April is going to be a big month of tariffs and negotiations and threats, etc.

Truenorth00 · #**3112** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 12:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hackslack

Exactly.

No matter if you vote for Carney or Poilievre, you are voting for Poilievre’s platform. Thank you Liberals!

So I guess Carney is not just Trudeau 2.0 then?

BlackDog204 · #**3113** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 12:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

This. He simply doesn't care what goes on here.

I hate to say it but I have to give Laura Ingraham a bit of credit for trying to get him to actually think about an answer before he barfed it out but no luck.

Trump is very interested in what happens in Canada politically. This is a guy who wants to annex our country. Trump has never met Carney, so what can he really say about him, considering Carney hasn't really said that much about Trump personally, other than what Trudeau did.

YOWetal · #**3114** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 1:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

So I guess Carney is not just Trudeau 2.0 then?

Yeah Carney is stealing my platform and is a centrist banker isn't a winning strategy.

Barring a gaffe (and those aren't unlikely) it's hard to see Poilievre making up for this with the backdrop of another Tariff cliff arriving mid campaign and other chaos.

Loco101 · #**3115** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by missing_middle

Basically a lost decade:

Where is the link for this chart?

It seems very suspicious.

Truenorth00 · #**3116** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 1:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by YOWetal

Yeah Carney is stealing my platform and is a centrist banker isn't a winning strategy.

Barring a gaffe (and those aren't unlikely) it's hard to see Poilievre making up for this with the backdrop of another Tariff cliff arriving mid campaign and other chaos.

Worse. Their crazy affiliates are going to be running ads about Carney being a pedo. Right as those tariffs come online and gas drops 20¢ at the pump. We're about to get a live test of how susceptible Canadians are to American style politics.

Carney focuses on the US. That makes him look like a nationalist. These guys are focused on Carney. That makes them look petty. Heck, Smith has attacked Carney far more than Trump. I'm pretty sure Poilievre is the same on that count.

theman23 · #**3117** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 2:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

Where is the link for this chart?

It seems very suspicious.

You're a regular poster here. Graphs showing the same have been posted numerous times over the last 2-3 years. What is so suspicious?

The source is the OECD. The graph was compiled by Dr. Trevor Tombe from the university of Calgary.

https://x.com/trevortombe/status/1902484645096440256/photo/1

You can verify it for yourself on the OECD website. The data available on the website only goes until 2023 though, so it's not exactly the same. But Canada places 3rd last if your cutoff is 2023. It seems like Mexico had a good year in 2024 while our GDP per capita declined again, resulting in us dropping to 2nd last by the end of 2024.
OECD data explorer

someone123 · #**3118** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 2:14 AM**

I think it is somewhat worse than it seems because of the real estate bubble. Real estate as a percent of GDP has shot up (to ~20% now?) and housing costs have shot up. Those who haven't won from the real estate bubble are likely significantly worse off in 2025 than they were in 2015.

theman23 · #**3119** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

So I guess Carney is not just Trudeau 2.0 then?

It comes down to credibility.

If Canadians actually believe that JT, a man who had never ran anything in his life, was the only problem with the LPC government and was making all of these bad decisions on his own, so be it. I hope they're right and that Carney represents an actual change.

But until January 2025, the LPC kept telling us to not worry because they had this economic whiz advising the Prime Minister. Now the story has become that the advisor was too busy working his real job to give the Prime Minister any actual advice.

Even some of his campaign slogans harken back to the JT campaign of 2015 ("invest not spend"), a campaign that was full of broken promises and in some cases flat out lies about the direction the party wanted to take the country (see: non permanent residents). It doesn't help that he has the same brain trust as that campaign.

But maybe Carney will be different.

Loco101 · #**3120** Posted **Mar 21, 2025, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

100%

In normal times, this election would be about kicking the bums out.

This is not normal times.

Adolf Drumpf is the enemy. Who can deal with him the best. My bet is on a firm steady hand by a cool and competent economist with decades of experience at the highest levels in both Canada and the UK.

PP just doesn't cut it. He has also flirted with the fascist fringe (truckers), and the reactionary right in his party has his ear.

This election is about fascist totalitarianism versus stable liberal democracy.

Period.

EXACTLY THAT!!!!

I'm afraid to see what PP and his goons will try to do to try to drive wedges between many voters.