Canadian Federal Election

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by samne

If this is how Carney reacts to a simple question, man he’s gonna get smashed in Parliament. JT was ridiculous talented at keeping cool and staying on message, however wrong it was.

This is a completely different world for Carney. Gonna be fun to watch.

Well the only way we will get to watch that is if he's elected as PM and very likely after fumbling such a lead Poilievre will be thrown overboard.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I'm surprised you interpret his response that way. He certainly schooled Barton, but in the calm, measured way that seems to be his baseline. I could see that he won't suffer fools gladly, but he seems to me to be a man fully in control of himself. Whether he has a nasty/angry streak, I couldn't say but we've never seen it.

Nothing turns the electorate off more than someone who thinks they know it all and gets snippy when questioned.

The new Conservative ads I’ve seen seem to be focusing on how young Canadians have been priced out of the housing market. All they need now is some footage of Carney braintrust member “Condo King” Bob Rennie saying “I’m a realtor and I’m here to help” and Carney”s numbers will start to wilt.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I have always wondered what people mean when they call someone an elite. Does it mean educated? Wealthy?

Pierre is rich but not educated. Is he elite? Carney is rich and educated. Is that the difference?

Also why is it used as a pejorative? Doesn’t everyone want to be elite? Why would we want someone who is not elite running the country?

Its like the difference between someone who knows what a Phillips and a Robertson are. If you know, you have probably used them and have an elementary set of problem solving skills. It is amazing how many "elites" can't answer that question.I have had some fun vetting my Nieces potential Boyfriends with that question.

Another Elite difference is the price of groceries. They have people for that.

[BlackDog204]

The Conservatives and the right wing media that supports them, are in such desperation, that they have resorted to attacking Mark Carney's children. His children are private citizens, and have nothing to do with his campaign. This is despicable, and should be condemned. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has already spoken out against these attacks.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Nothing turns the electorate off more than someone who thinks they know it all and gets snippy when questioned.

The new Conservative ads I’ve seen seem to be focusing on how young Canadians have been priced out of the housing market. All they need now is some footage of Carney braintrust member “Condo King” Bob Rennie saying “I’m a realtor and I’m here to help” and Carney”s numbers will start to wilt.

That is a good point. I saw Carney being questioned by reporters, and was not impressed. My gut feeling, is that the less he interacts with the media, the better. Trudeau was far more composed, but then again Trudeau was born into a political family. However, Carney is relatively new to this, and could get better over time.

However, if he continues to have issues with this, especially during the debates, I can see it hurting him. Again, it may just be inexperience rather than being an "elite." Carney certainly did not come from an "elite" background. Born in the Northwest Territories to a high school teacher, and a stay-at-home mother, moved to Edmonton when he was six, and attended public High School. He was also a pretty good hockey goalie. Ironically, that is more humble roots than Trudeau.

[BlackDog204]

lol...this will go over well. This is Carney sticking it to Trump. If Trump takes an immediate dislike to Carney, I can see it being beneficial politically. Trump hates Zelenskyy, and definitely does not want him at the G7 Convention.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I have always wondered what people mean when they call someone an elite. Does it mean educated? Wealthy?

Pierre is rich but not educated. Is he elite? Carney is rich and educated. Is that the difference?

Also why is it used as a pejorative? Doesn’t everyone want to be elite? Why would we want someone who is not elite running the country?

I find the whole discussion gross, trite and hypocritical. We hate successful and hard working people now? WTF?

A guy born in the NWT, grew up in Edmonton, son of a homemaker and school principal ends up going to Harvard and getting a doctorate from Oxford and then ends up as a VP at Goldman Sachs and eventually the Governor of two G7 Central Banks. I'm supposed to hate this because he came from a middle class family and worked his way to the top?

I swear. People have lost their fucking minds.

If that was the story of my kid, my relative or my friend's kid, I'd be damn proud of them.

Also, we've gone from "Run government like a business," to "Be suspicious of business experience. Trust the guy whose only job outside politics was a paper route."

I always wait to see the platforms before deciding. But the rhetoric from conservatives is really starting to gross me out here. The attacks on Carney's kid remind me of the attacks on Chretien's disability.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Nothing turns the electorate off more than someone who thinks they know it all and gets snippy when questioned.

The new Conservative ads I’ve seen seem to be focusing on how young Canadians have been priced out of the housing market. All they need now is some footage of Carney braintrust member “Condo King” Bob Rennie saying “I’m a realtor and I’m here to help” and Carney”s numbers will start to wilt.

And that Pierre has amassed well over $25M as a career politician and landlord taking full advantage of the housing crisis and high rentals.

Did Pierre disclose what he put into a blind trust?

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

That is a good point. I saw Carney being questioned by reporters, and was not impressed. My gut feeling, is that the less he interacts with the media, the better. Trudeau was far more composed, but then again Trudeau was born into a political family. However, Carney is relatively new to this, and could get better over time.

However, if he continues to have issues with this, especially during the debates, I can see it hurting him. Again, it may just be inexperience rather than being an "elite." Carney certainly did not come from an "elite" background. Born in the Northwest Territories to a high school teacher, and a stay-at-home mother, moved to Edmonton when he was six, and attended public High School. He was also a pretty good hockey goalie. Ironically, that is more humble roots than Trudeau.

Rosemary Barton still can't get over losing JT - she's one of the rudest most entitled "journalists" we have - she's no Mansbridge.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The Conservatives and the right wing media that supports them, are in such desperation, that they have resorted to attacking Mark Carney's children. His children are private citizens, and have nothing to do with his campaign. This is despicable, and should be condemned. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has already spoken out against these attacks.

It is absolutely disgusting the things people have posted on X.

Pierre congratulated Trump on his win. Did not do the same for Carney. Will be interested to see if he condones the vile posts.

[missing_middle]

Yeah I would not say every aspect of elitism is admirable. It often overweighs (non-technical) ivy league credentialism and social climbing abilities than real world results imo.

I just personally value an innovator mindset over a bureaucratic/managerial mindset.

Canadians hate anything even mildly disruptive so the latter it is...

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Yeah I would not say every aspect of elitism is admirable. It often overweighs (non-technical) ivy league credentialism and social climbing abilities than real world results imo.

I just personally value an innovator mindset over a bureaucratic/managerial mindset.

Canadians hate anything even mildly disruptive so the latter it is...

Do we have a innovator on offer? What's a successful example of that kind of leader?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Do we have a innovator on offer? What's a successful example of that kind of leader?

You could probably describe Musk more as an innovator than a manager.

Look at how well that's going!

But, I get it. In the health care system, physicians are the "talent", but all the power rests with the administrators, which can seem awfully frustrating most of the time - much more obstructive than anything else.

But, I would far prefer a Mark Carney as PM rather than an impatient, impulsive and rash innovator.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

It is absolutely disgusting the things people have posted on X.

Pierre congratulated Trump on his win. Did not do the same for Carney. Will be interested to see if he condones the vile posts.

I would be shocked if he did. Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Kevin O'Leary, Jordan Peterson, FOX News, etc. have all endorsed Poilievre in his run for PM. He has been asked point blank, if he would rebuke their endorsements, and has yet to respond.

Poilievre represents the worst of gutter politics. The contrast, when it comes to his social media accounts, with Trudeau and Carney, is striking. He is full of hate and division, which is essentially what MAGA is all about.

Compare that with Carney or Trudeau, who are all about unity, patriotism, and equality.

[MolsonExport]

How the fark did PP amass "25 million" as a career politician?

How the fark?

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

It is absolutely disgusting the things people have posted on X.

Pierre congratulated Trump on his win. Did not do the same for Carney. Will be interested to see if he condones the vile posts.

Quick google search brings up nothing what are you going on about now, and by the way…

Pot.. meet kettle, you were going after Pierre’s wife spewing all kinds of conspiracy theories about her and her Venezuelan heritage.

[Hecate]

We need another Jack Layton, or our own Bernie sanders. Someone who actually cares about people.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I would be shocked if he did. Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Kevin O'Leary, Jordan Peterson, FOX News, etc. have all endorsed Poilievre in his run for PM.

Except for Peterson, I doubt those guys could pick Pierre in a lineup with Carney

[elly63]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Poilievre represents the worst of gutter politics. He is full of hate and division.

Very much unlike Justin. Pass the Kool Aid please

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Quick google search brings up nothing what are you going on about now.

Look harder.