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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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Yes, it's amazing Liberal ultra-partisans can get away with these vapid lies. Maybe Trueviking needs a boots on the ground tour of the homeless catastrophe in Toronto, GTA and Southern Ontario to finally wake up and realize how horrific the current homeless crisis is, which is significantly worse than the era of every former PM down to Mulroney.
If the concern is about homelessness, that's as much a provincial resposibility as a federal one. The Ontario government says 'The provincial government does not directly deliver supports for people experiencing or at risk of homelessness.' Instead they try to shift responsibility onto municipalities 'a provincially-funded program supports Ontario’s 47 municipal service managers to provide affordable housing and support services for people at risk of or experiencing homelessness. The objective of the program is to support service managers in preventing, addressing and reducing homelessness, including chronic homelessness.'

The Ontario municipalities have at least counted the scale of the problem - at least 80,000 in the province. They calculate that would require 'an $11-billion investment over 10 years to create more than 75,000 affordable and supportive housing units. The municipalities also said some $2 billion over eight years is needed to ensure all people living in encampments are properly housed.'

Even though it's not meant to be a municipal level of responsibilty, and they only have property taxes and fees to fund things (not income or sales taxes), 'The municipalities say they are spending a much greater share than higher levels of government in an effort to address homelessness. They collectively spent $2.1 billion in 2024 on homelessness and housing programs, far more than the several hundred million dollars that the province and Ottawa each contribute, the report notes.'
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Pierre P doesn't get it. His ads have all the childish hallmarks of a Trump campaign. Why is it so hard for conservatives to find a normal person to run as their leader? He won't be able to escape his past and his affection for Frump-style politics.
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Disinformation probably. There is no way they can change leaders at this point. They still have maybe even odds to win this election now. They might want to delay the election and spend that war chest and start picking holes in Carney. But honestly I think most Conservatives are still pretty confident they are the odds on favorite.
It's not disinformation. In fact, it should be expected. Most polls in the past week have the Liberals ahead. That's a 30 point turnaround from mid January. It should also be noted that PP's likeability ratings are in the negative double digits. Other than Poilievre's inner circle, I guarantee that a significant number of Conservative MP's are probably panicking.

I've Concluded that Poilievre is going to make the Conservative lose not only the election, but also seats, and the only way to change course, would be to replace him as leader- fast.
     
     
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Pierre P doesn't get it. His ads have all the childish hallmarks of a Trump campaign. Why is it so hard for conservatives to find a normal person to run as their leader? He won't be able to escape his past and his affection for Frump-style politics.
If I was in charge of the Conservatives, I would fire most of Poilievre's inner circle. His campaign manager is 0-3 in elections. How does one keep a job as a campaign manager after losing 3 elections in less than a decade???

I actually miss the old Progressive Conservative party.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2025, 5:05 PM
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So true.

Here is my prediction.

1.Liberals win landslide election.
2.Trump gets thrown out of office amid protests at scales not seen since the civil rights movements taking over American cities, shutting down their economy entirely.
3.In 4 years, another federal election is called, where Doug Ford runs and wins the leadership and the election, forming a new Conservative federal government.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2025, 5:06 PM
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And homelessness isn’t below 2015 levels.
I have to agree with you in regards to homelessness. It's been worse than I have ever seen it in Canada, post-COVID.
     
     
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Well if you thought the NDP might become a serious party anytime soon Singh has come out and said he will "Repatriate Canada’s F-35 contract so the jets are built in Canada, not the United States."

https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-will-build-f-35s-canada-invest-canadas-north-and-arctic-sovereignty

k. Congrats on the pension, might as well just say dumb shit and speed run through the election and get a new leader.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2025, 5:19 PM
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The glee with which some conservatives are talking about slashing whole services (CBC, Canada Post, etc) at the same time as the US provides a live demonstration of letting these fantasies run wild, is going to give more than a few period pause.
There was a time when I questioned why the Government needed CBC, when we had competing networks (CTV, Global, etc) all regulated under the CRTC. However, with the rise of far-right media (Rebel News, Sun New Network, National Post, etc), and to see how bad the United States is, with FOX News, OAN, Info Wars, etc., I am now convinced that having the CBC is in the best interests of our country.

The CBC is World renowned, and like the BBC, is part of our national identity. To defund it, especially in the face of so much misinformation from news networks looking to undermine Canada, would be devastating.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2025, 5:23 PM
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Well if you thought the NDP might become a serious party anytime soon Singh has come out and said he will "Repatriate Canada’s F-35 contract so the jets are built in Canada, not the United States."

https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-will-build-f-35s-canada-invest-canadas-north-and-arctic-sovereignty

k. Congrats on the pension, might as well just say dumb shit and speed run through the election and get a new leader.
One would be surprised at how many NDP supporters want to replace Singh, with Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew. However, I am not sure if he would jump into national politics 17 months after winning the provincial election. At 43, he certainly can take his time.

One thing is certain. The NDP made the wrong choice in selecting Singh as leader. Personally, I thought Charlie Angus would have done better. He also was the first Canadian MP to start to call out Trump.

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One would be surprised at how many NDP supporters want to replace Singh, with Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew. However, I am not sure if he would jump into national politics 17 months after winning the provincial election. At 43, he certainly can take his time.

One thing is certain. The NDP made the wrong choice in selecting Singh as leader. Personally, I thought Charlie Angus would have done better. He also was the first Canadian MP to start to call out Trump.
No of course Wab isn't jumping on sinking ship with days until an election. Nor is Rachel Notley who would also be a formidable leader. The NDP mistake was dumping Mulclair. Singh was a consensus candidate. A symbol of change and the only one with any excitement at all on offer. Why they didn't dump him after 2021 is another question.
     
     
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One might consider waiting to see the parties' electoral platforms.
That would be best, but with the assumption that PP has been in election mode for some time, one would think that strategies would be more advanced by now. At least to the point that "not Trudeau" and anti carbon tax could be put to bed by now.

But... yes... politics. I hate politics.
     
     
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This is an honest question not meant as an attack. What specifically do you think the government has done to screw things up in the first place? What is screwed up because of what they did? I hear this a lot but I’m never sure what it actually means. How is the country in a bad position because of current government decisions.
With the understanding that the pandemic created difficult, complex situations for everybody involved, and knowing that it's difficult to view anything as a stand-alone situation, off the top of my head it would be these things mostly (and perhaps a few more if I took the time to think about it a little more deeply):

1) Not taking action on the emerging housing crisis that was happening before 2020. It wasn't country-wide at the time, but it was clear and obvious that prices were rising steeply in Vancouver and Toronto, and it appeared (to the layman at least) that foreign investment and money laundering had a hand in it, among other things. Perhaps if this had been identified as a major potential problem and action had been taken, things wouldn't have exploded into the major crisis that we are still dealing with, and perhaps anybody who hadn't been fortunate enough to get into the market pre-2015 wouldn't be shut out of it now.

2) The deep dive into identity politics. There was some good work to be done regarding diversity, inclusivity, indigenous reconcilliation, but what actually happened was over the top and misguided. IMHO. I recall many saying that it felt like we should be embarrassed to be Canadians, but in reality it's that the view through the looking glass was majorly skewed.

3) Post-pandemic recovery that involved the feds dragging their feet, investing heavily into poorly functioning software like ArriveCan, and then flooding our already-suffering population with more newcomers than we could ever deal with, and the fallout on our healthcare systems, and our housing situation. Nobody has ever seen as many tent cities filled with poor homeless people who are out of options and many of whom turned to hard drugs to deal with their hoplessness, and the proliferation of mental health emergencies that resulted from above... exacerbated by the lack of healthcare to help them deal with their crises.

4) Lack of investment in our military, even after Trump 1.0 pointed out that we weren't living up to our NATO committments. Rather than plan for increased investment, money was cut from military budgets.

5) Etc. I could go on, but you get the idea.

Note that none of this happens in a vacuum, and some was likely contiguous from previous governments, but blaming former governments when you've been in power for 10 years is not a valid excuse.

So, while it may seem like I was just parroting social media claptrap, I didn't arrive at my conclusion after listening to somebody's podcast or youtube video, I've lived much of it, or at least watched it happen around me. Having experienced Canada for decades, I can say without hesitation that the previous few years have felt like the worst time in my life to be a Canadian citizen, and I have to put at least part of the blame on the incumbent federal government.
     
     
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One thing about both Trudeaus, is that they were fairly unpopular during the majority of their tenure as PM's. However, when there is a crisis, they rise to the occasion. With Pierre Trudeau, it was the October Crisis in 1970. With Justin, it was COVID and Trump 2025.

I actually think that Trudeau would have pulled off the election. had he remained leader of Canada. If only because Poilievre has all but proven he is completely incompetent to deal with a crisis situation that we face at present.
I actually think that the only reason that PP was able to gain traction is that Trudeau II was so bad. Even if Trudeau had governed at Jean Chrétien level, a guy like PP probably wouldn't have made it to the leadership level of the Cons, because people would have just looked at him as one-dimensional and not taken him seriously.
     
     
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The CPC have a visibility and messaging problem right now; in a time of crisis all attention is directed (and rightfully so) at the government. We get to see and hear how the Liberals will deal with Trump, and we get to see it in action. There's no room left for opposition parties since they really have no power here, so why would we waste our time hearing from them?

Truthfully, the approach from Carney/Trudeau, and what Pierre said he will do regarding the USA is very similar. The problem is that no one is hearing Pierre. Sure, he's hold weekly rallies which are livestreamed, but the only people showing up to those rallies, and the only people watching his livestreams, are conservative supporters. Those aren't the people he needs to convince to vote for him.

This also perfectly plays into the Liberals hands; since swing voters aren't paying attention to Pierre right now, the Liberals get to mold the narrative around him to their liking. Say what you will about Pierre, whether you like him or not, whether you think he's a better or worse PM candidate than Carney, people trying to convince you that he will hand Canada over to Trump and lay down to him not only flies in the face of what he's saying at his rallies, but it's the kind of divisive, kind of dangerous rhetoric that this country doesn't need right now.

He does absolutely need to shore up his messaging though. He spends more time talking about the carbon tax than the real problems like the Trump tariffs. I do understand that being weeks away from a campaign that he needs to differentiate himself from the Liberals and provide a different vision for Canada; if he just agrees and copies the same tariff approach as the Liberals then voters may as well just vote Liberal. I'm not envious of the position he's in, but someone on his team has got to get through to him that the carbon tax is dead and it's time to pivot, or else they will find themselves in an absolute world of pain as the Liberals cruise to a majority win.

We're probably a week away from an election call so his visibility problem will very soon disappear as all eyes will be on him and Carney equally. But if the messaging can't get fixed in the same period of time then it'll be all for nothing.
IMHO, this is a very reasonable take on the situation.
     
     
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So true.

Here is my prediction.

1.Liberals win landslide election.
2.Trump gets thrown out of office amid protests at scales not seen since the civil rights movements taking over American cities, shutting down their economy entirely.
3.In 4 years, another federal election is called, where Doug Ford runs and wins the leadership and the election, forming a new Conservative federal government.
This might be more realistic than many would like to think.
     
     
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Trump thrown out because of protests? When has that ever happen in American history with things such as civil rights, Vietnam or Iraq wars.

I don’t think Canadians understand that Trump’s favourability is still quite high. Democrats are actually at record lows.

Don’t confuse loud extreme left wingers as the majority.
     
     
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So true.

Here is my prediction.

1.Liberals win landslide election.
2.Trump gets thrown out of office amid protests at scales not seen since the civil rights movements taking over American cities, shutting down their economy entirely.
3.In 4 years, another federal election is called, where Doug Ford runs and wins the leadership and the election, forming a new Conservative federal government.
You must have a rich fantasy life. With just enough plausibility to keep it in the realm of reality.
     
     
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That would be best, but with the assumption that PP has been in election mode for some time, one would think that strategies would be more advanced by now. At least to the point that "not Trudeau" and anti carbon tax could be put to bed by now.

But... yes... politics. I hate politics.
They may well be, but no party will reveal it's hand until they are in an actual election campaign.
     
     
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You must have a rich fantasy life. With just enough plausibility to keep it in the realm of reality.
Liberal win seems very possible. If they do win a Ford leadership in 2027 also seems possible. Protest is never going to bring Trump down agreed. Huge losses in the midterms could do it.
     
     
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You must have a rich fantasy life. With just enough plausibility to keep it in the realm of reality.
I particularly like the part about Americans protesting. They are among the most docile people even it comes to confronting fascism at home.

Compare that to half a million on the streets of Belgrade yesterday, a country with 6.6M.
     
     
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