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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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Poilievre's response has been outlined a few times and is not that different from the LPC re: the tariffs. As far as soundbites go, you don't think the LPC is going to try and win the election?
I'll await the campaign to see what each is promising.
     
     
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Poilievre's response has been outlined a few times and is not that different from the LPC re: the tariffs. As far as soundbites go, you don't think the LPC is going to try and win the election?
Yes. And barring a Carney gaffe this ends up with a Liberal win even if it's a minority that seems like the end of those aren't great odds for Poilievre who had 95% two months ago.

Poilievre's other option is some other response to tariffs. Get a meeting with Trump and convince Canadians Trump hates Trudeau and the Liberals not Canada (possibly true). Or a Nixon to China promise where he says he will turn off the oil AND force through a pipeline to the BC coast. He probably wins Alberta and BC interior anyway where there might be some opposition to the two parts of that strategy.
     
     
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Wow what an idiotic move to keep Joly in foreign affairs. If Carney wanted to show he's serious about building new alliances, Joly is the worst possible candidate for that role.

Duclos exclu du Cabinet Carney, Joly reste et Guilbeault perd l’Environnement

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2147629/steven-guilbeault-ministre-environnement-carney
     
     
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At least Guilbault’s not in charge of environment anymore.
Oh snap, now I might actually consider voting LPC.
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Wow what an idiotic move to keep Joly in foreign affairs. If Carney wanted to show he's serious about building new alliances, Joly is the worst possible candidate for that role.

Duclos exclu du Cabinet Carney, Joly reste et Guilbeault perd l’Environnement

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2147629/steven-guilbeault-ministre-environnement-carney

Joly will be next Liberal Leader and possibly future PM. I’ve seen her evolve and get increasingly more face time than anyone else.
     
     
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Wow what an idiotic move to keep Joly in foreign affairs. If Carney wanted to show he's serious about building new alliances, Joly is the worst possible candidate for that role.

Duclos exclu du Cabinet Carney, Joly reste et Guilbeault perd l’Environnement

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2147629/steven-guilbeault-ministre-environnement-carney
Continuity in foreign affairs >> domestic politics at this time.
     
     
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Wow what an idiotic move to keep Joly in foreign affairs. If Carney wanted to show he's serious about building new alliances, Joly is the worst possible candidate for that role.

Duclos exclu du Cabinet Carney, Joly reste et Guilbeault perd l’Environnement

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2147629/steven-guilbeault-ministre-environnement-carney
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. She has built a good relationship with Rubio which is paramount and changing the FM during a time of crisis may not be the smartest move at the moment. I think keeping Leblanc and Champagne are also good moves for the moment.
     
     
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Continuity in foreign affairs >> domestic politics at this time.
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At least Guilbault’s not in charge of environment anymore.
Oh snap, now I might actually consider voting LPC.
That will likely help keep Alberta in Team Canada.

Wondering what is happening with Anand. She is probably the most skilled of all of them. I hope she changes her mind and decides to run again.
     
     
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Continuity in foreign affairs >> domestic politics at this time.
Not sure it was only that. She's seen as popular in Quebec. She certainly sounds better in French.
     
     
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Wow what an idiotic move to keep Joly in foreign affairs. If Carney wanted to show he's serious about building new alliances, Joly is the worst possible candidate for that role.

Duclos exclu du Cabinet Carney, Joly reste et Guilbeault perd l’Environnement

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2147629/steven-guilbeault-ministre-environnement-carney
Continuity in the foreign affairs portfolio is a no-brainer at the moment. If Carney gets to form a real cabinet after the election, we'll see who stays and who goes. Part of the problem at Global Affairs, however, is the frequent changes in Ministers over the years.
     
     
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Not sure it was only that. She's seen as popular in Quebec. She certainly sounds better in French.
I thought that she was unpopular in Quebec.
     
     
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Continuity in the foreign affairs portfolio is a no-brainer at the moment. If Carney gets to form a real cabinet after the election, we'll see who stays and who goes. Part of the problem at Global Affairs, however, is the frequent changes in Ministers over the years.
She's meeting Rubio and G7 literally right now so only way to boot her would have been to move the swearing in.

After election is a whole new thing. If they win there will likely be a lot of new faces.
     
     
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That will likely help keep Alberta in Team Canada.

Wondering what is happening with Anand. She is probably the most skilled of all of them. I hope she changes her mind and decides to run again.
Anand announced at a Carny event in Oakville that She is running again.
I think She would be a good choice to retake Defence and get her plan really going but who knows.
     
     
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Anand announced at a Carny event in Oakville that She is running again.
I think She would be a good choice to retake Defence and get her plan really going but who knows.
She's good at bureaucratic transformation. That talent is best deployed at departments like Finance and PSPC.

2% would be reached a lot faster if other government departments got out of the way.
     
     
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She's good at bureaucratic transformation. That talent is best deployed at departments like Finance and PSPC.

2% would be reached a lot faster if other government departments got out of the way.
Treasury Board's whole existence is about getting in the way ....
     
     
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She's good at bureaucratic transformation. That talent is best deployed at departments like Finance and PSPC.

2% would be reached a lot faster if other government departments got out of the way.
Can agree on procurement bureaucracy but Finance is getting in the way in that they don't want us to go bankrupt. The idea we can double defence spending without any sacrifices is folly. Let's put the 3% HST increase on the table. Maybe a referendum but we know how that would go.

Election wise there will be lots of goodies and not a lot of medicine. One side will promise tax cuts and painless cuts to spending which will somehow balance the budget and the other will promise painless spending restraint with infrastructure spending that will somehow balance the budget on it's own.
     
     
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Treasury Board's whole existence is about getting in the way ....
That's cynical. It's a necessary challenge function in government. I don't find TB to be as much of a problem as all the IRB rules.

Treasury Board won't stop DND from buying Korean ships. The political need to placate constituents and business interests will.
     
     
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Can agree on procurement bureaucracy but Finance is getting in the way in that they don't want us to go bankrupt.
That's not what Finance does. All they do is accounting. If Cabinet decides they want to drive to bankruptcy, Finance will oblige them. What I'm getting at is that there are a ton of internal processes within government that need to be cleaned up. And maybe even more risk appetite to speed things up.

An example we talk about. The limit on minor capital projects is $10M. If you work at Women and Gender Equality Canada, that is an incredible amount of money. At DND, I could spend that on buying satellites in an afternoon. DND is also the only place that will have hundreds of people who have actually managed $10M. It makes no sense to treat both government departments the exact same way with the exact same rules. I don't blame this risk aversion on Finance. But a Finance Minister who wasn't as much of a control freak would help. There should be a bit more process innovation and risk appetite that allows some asymmetric authority in government. DND has been arguing for a while, for example, that we should be able to spend $50M with the same authority that other departments spend $10M, both because we have more trained and experienced financial managers, and because everything in our line of work is expensive.
     
     
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That's not what Finance does. All they do is accounting. If Cabinet decides they want to drive to bankruptcy, Finance will oblige them. What I'm getting at is that there are a ton of internal processes within government that need to be cleaned up. And maybe even more risk appetite to speed things up.

An example we talk about. The limit on minor capital projects is $10M. If you work at Women and Gender Equality Canada, that is an incredible amount of money. At DND, I could spend that on buying satellites in an afternoon. DND is also the only place that will have hundreds of people who have actually managed $10M. It makes no sense to treat both government departments the exact same way with the exact same rules. I don't blame this risk aversion on Finance. But a Finance Minister who wasn't as much of a control freak would help. There should be a bit more process innovation and risk appetite that allows some asymmetric authority in government. DND has been arguing for a while, for example, that we should be able to spend $50M with the same authority that other departments spend $10M.
Some good points but in Canada Finance is where we challenge the other departments on spending. Sure maybe it should be like Treasury in the US that just does accounting but politically it's good to have at least one strong voice arguing we shouldn't spend. We need to get over our risk aversion in a lot of areas for sure. But look how that works out when you rush out something like an arrival app that was literally a rounding error and which being delayed a single day was probably worth more than the $50 million cost.
     
     
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Hence why I’m applying that argument to a conservative. When I see career politicians like PP or Kenney with zero private sector experience endlessly trashing government employees and extolling the virtue of the private sector while never having worked a day outside politics in their lives, it makes me laugh. It’s so hypocritical. Mostly their job seems to revolve around getting kickbacks from oil and gas corporations.
Thats a silly emotionally based populist argument.

The amount of money being dolled out to pay the salaries of top ministers/members and senators and opposition leaders (such as P.P) of parliment is a tiny fraction of the cost of the LPC creating 140k new government jobs since 2015, increasing the size of government by 40%

Where is Carneys (the supposed pragmatist sage) plan to reduce federal public sector jobs by 40% back to 2015 levels?

That stat alone and Canadas declining GPD per capita (going deeply negative , especially taking inflation into account) should be enough of a reason for a rational private sector full time worker (without some huge real estate windfall) not to vote them in for a 4th time.

But yes, if you've taken on a huge amount of debt and overleveraged on too big of a house(s), maybe youd want to vote in Carney to get what will likely turn out to be some massive bail-out. My moneys on CMHC zero percent loans for $500,000 - million dollars worth of mortgage per family or a full blown debt jubilee. Courtesy of course, of Quantitative Easing and double digit inflation/theft of purchasing power. Neither of which would shock me from this crew.

If youve read Alex Epsteins book fossil future, youll realize youve been conditioned by academia to have irrational distaste for the oil&gas industry, while not having the same visceral reaction to junk food, soda or e-cigarette companies. The former , in my view, is a huge economic benefit to greater societys quality of life while the latter is a drain.
It's very telling to me how academia in most canadian universities will promote extreme antisemitic BDS and pro-hamas activists who've been caught wearing masks in front of our local community centers, places of worship spewing vile blood libel/antisemitic drivel on Shabbat , while at the same time,, not allowing any questioning of the extremist "climate emergency" narrative including cutting off grants to climate researchers unless they come to a pre-agreed upon conclusion in their papers.

And your talk of kickbacks is equally as silly/fun and speculative as my speculation of Carney getting kickbacks from OREA/TREB or being a Russian or Qatari asset . Both are far out claims and unimportant and ultimately out of our control.
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