Canadian Federal Election

[MolsonExport]

I think we can all agree that prior to entering politics, both PP and JT had unimpressive resumes.

Carney, on the other hand...well.

"Poilievre..he's just like Trudeau"

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Why are you fixated on the former PM, Justin Trudeau who is not running in this election? Move on, the country has!

Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy. That is all.

[yaletown_fella]

People are mistaking Carney as being a reasonable pragmatic centrist like Christy Clark or Chretien when this couldnt be further fro
the truth.

The controlled demolition of the resource sector in the name of irrational theoretical net zero dogma and forced electrification is going to be very dangerous for the country.

And how many forget that Carney was the architect of the housing policy through his decade long 0.25 basis point real negative rate policy. He also did massive QE in the UK. If you consider a shift from a productive economy to asset hoarding and upwards transfer of wealth to be "economic acumen" then you're a lost cause.

Unless you have over a million in inherited wealth/real estate or a government job, youll be decimated by Carney.

All the good done by Harper could be un-done by his one major blind spot of appointing Carney. It's tragic

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Musk says something good about Pollivere.

WSJ/Bloomberg/Financial Times says something good about Carney.

Which one is foreign interference?

It's not so much foreign interference, as it is the fact that Musk is universally despised by nearly all Canadians. An endorsement from Musk can be viewed as toxic. Just ask the AfD in Germany.

[samne]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

People are mistaking Carney as being a reasonable pragmatic centrist like Christy Clark or Chretien when this couldnt be further fro
the truth.

The controlled demolition of the resource sector in the name of irrational theoretical net zero dogma and forced electrification is going to be very dangerous for the country.

And how many forget that Carney was the architect of the housing policy through his decade long 0.25 basis point real negative rate policy. He also did massive QE in the UK. If you consider a shift from a productive economy to asset hoarding and upwards transfer of wealth to be "economic acumen" then you're a lost cause.

Unless you have over a million in inherited wealth/real estate or a government job, youll be decimated by Carney.

All the good done by Harper could be un-done by his one major blind spot of appointing Carney. It's tragic

This.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Suspect they are trying to figure out the fastest way to get that election called... you also have many Conservatives posting about "unelected PM, coronation, undemocratic, Liberal Party picks PM" etc. do they not understand how the system works? Or they think most Canadians are stupid?

The know a lot of Canadians are stupid/uninformed enough to be susceptible to this sort of thing.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jonny24

The know a lot of Canadians are stupid/uninformed enough to be susceptible to this sort of thing.

Without calling people stupid, the assumption that most Canadians don't understand how our system works is probably not an incorrect one.

[MolsonExport]

Impressive triple negative sentence.

[casper]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Musk says something good about Pollivere.

WSJ/Bloomberg/Financial Times says something good about Carney.

Which one is foreign interference?


Most people answering this inadvertently reveal that Liberalism has usurped democracy.

Musk is a Canadian. He has a right to say nice things about the candidate or party he wants to see win and negative things about the one he does not like. He even has a right to donate $1,750 to the conservative party and $1,750 to each of the candidates in each of the ridings. Those limits include in-kind contributions such as twitter ads.

What he can't do is spend more than that to try to elect a candidate. Do you think he will be able to control himself.

While I don't like Musk, I accept he has a right to be involved in Canadian politics.

The WSJ/Bloomberg/Financial Times are news outlets. As long as the report on what is happening they are fine. They are examples of fairly right leaning organizations. Will their editorial boards endorse someone in Canada? Probably not. But if they do its toss up at this point between the Liberals or Conservatives.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Without calling people stupid, the assumption that most Canadians don't understand how our system works is probably not an incorrect one.

I think most Americans (including those that supported Trump) are coming to the same conclusion.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by samne

100k online votes selected the next PM for an entire country. We need an election now.

Whether you're being willfully dishonest, or are actually this uninformed about the system, I'll correct you:

17 million people voted for a local representative.

5.5 million people voted for the Liberal Party, giving them the most seats and the opportunity to form government.

The Liberal Party chooses it's leaders according to their own rules. Always has.

You, the voter, has never voted to name a PM.

Even if the PM is running in your riding, when you elect them it is only as your representative. Their position as leader and there PM is not dependent on that.

Our democracy is functioning as designed. You just don't like the result.

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by jonny24

Whether you're being willfully dishonest, or are actually this uninformed about the system, I'll correct you:

17 million people voted for a local representative.

5.5 million people voted for the Liberal Party, giving them the most seats and the opportunity to form government.

The Liberal Party chooses it's leaders according to their own rules. Always has.

You, the voter, has never voted to name a PM.

Even if the PM is running in your riding, when you elect them it is only as your representative. Their position as leader and there PM is not dependent on that.

Our democracy is functioning as designed. You just don't like the result.

Carney's ascendance to the top job mirrors exactly how Danielle Smith became premier of Alberta in 2022. She was elected leader of the UCP in early October. She had no seat in the legislature, just as Carney is not an MP. She governed for seven months like that, until a provincial election held the following May.

This is just how the system works, and always has.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by casper

I think most Americans (including those that supported Trump) are coming to the same conclusion.

What do you mean by this?

[casper]

Originally Posted by Acajack

What do you mean by this?

Most Americans don't understand their system of government and are susceptible to manipulation. They are starting to realize that.

You have all of this "election was stolen", "drain the swamp", etc.

They are starting to discover the election was not stolen. They are starting to discover "the swamp" are nurses at the VA hospital or an air traffic controller at the FFA.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

Carney is the more pro MAGA/Pro American of the two. He will take a chainsaw to Canadas oil and gas sector and make Canada more US dependent than ever. Canadian dollar will tank and investment will flee to the US.

This will benefit Trump and the Americans far more than P.P.

Insane people can post this kind of thing with a straight face.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

How is this even a topic, considering the massive Liberal support for Justin Trudeau and his complete lackluster work experience and education… how many times did he drop out?

And that was a huge criticism leveled on JT from the right. And now it's not important anymore?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by casper

Most Americans don't understand their system of government and are susceptible to manipulation. They are starting to realize that.

This won't be popular on here but while they're not all luminaries I do feel that knowledge of one's own system of government in the US is higher than it is in Canada.

If only because in Canada a huge amount of political attention that is focused on the US and so people get confused about what is what, or even simply know more about the American one.

Tamara Lich's husband or boyfriend referred to "1st amendment rights" in front of a judge a year or two ago, didn't he? I'd say that's not that not an uncommon belief among a lot of Canadians.

You don't have that type of thing in the US.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

You don't have that type of thing in the US.

Only because the Americans would have no source of confusion. The typical American is only dimly aware there is a world beyond their borders, and most of the rest of the world is either communist or Islamist states filled with terrorists'.

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

People are mistaking Carney as being a reasonable pragmatic centrist like Christy Clark or Chretien when this couldnt be further fro
the truth.

The controlled demolition of the resource sector in the name of irrational theoretical net zero dogma and forced electrification is going to be very dangerous for the country.

And how many forget that Carney was the architect of the housing policy through his decade long 0.25 basis point real negative rate policy. He also did massive QE in the UK. If you consider a shift from a productive economy to asset hoarding and upwards transfer of wealth to be "economic acumen" then you're a lost cause.

Unless you have over a million in inherited wealth/real estate or a government job, youll be decimated by Carney.

All the good done by Harper could be un-done by his one major blind spot of appointing Carney. It's tragic

This is my reservation about Carney. People are uncritically praising his economic background without looking at the area of his economic background.

The risk-adverse rent-seeking inclination of an institutional asset manager/banker with the adopted views of clown-world energy politics of the last 20 years is certainly peak Canadian Elite...but not automatically a good thing for the direction of the Canadian economy.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Only because the Americans would have no source of confusion. The typical American is only dimly aware there is a world beyond their borders, and most of the rest of the world is either communist or Islamist states filled with terrorists'.

It still leaves them with more of a focus on and therefore knowledge of their internal affairs, in the absence of distractions from other countries' politics (as in our case). It's not rare to have politically-interested Americans who have opinions on governors and mayors on the other side of the country. You don't really have that in Canada, aside from micro-societies like SSP.

As has been said, many Americans are vulnerable to manipulation by politicians, but that's more on ideas, policies and ideology than it is on the actual functioning of their system.

[WarrenC12]

Average Americans and Canadians get their knowledge from the same source: American TV.

Of course Canadians know more about the US system than vice versa.

Hard to say who's education system is working better in that regard.

It leads to misinformation and bad takes across the board.

Actually thinking we have a 1st amendment in Canada is a new level of idiocy though.