Canadian Federal Election

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by casper

We have some interesting development in the race.

Harper is now flip-flopping about Carney contribution to addressing the financial crisis. When he Carney went to the Bank of England, Harper wrote about how he was a valuable partner. Now he is writing that in no way does he support Carney and thinks Carney is taking away Flaherty legacy.

The truth is likely somewhere between. But interesting that Harper is writing letters to Conservatives. Perhaps PP has realized he is in trouble and needs Harper to come and save him.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-carney-financial-crisis-1.7473091

Harper = master gaslighter of them all - reminds me why I can't stand the guy... super slime douche.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by Nite

She isn't just Galen Weston's lobbyist and MAGA supporter, she is also PP former long term girlfriend for those that don't know


Jenni Byrne and Pierre Poilievre on June 28, 2004.


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/10/jenni-byrne-is-just-getting-started-00056012

If i was the Liberals this would be on ever lawn sign :


https://x.com/dirtsleep/status/1753828860435837019

In his defence it was 15 years ago, but they are still close obviously and the MAGA stuff was last year.

OH PP - I think the MAGA hat is accurate and was right around when Trump got the Republican nod. Perhaps she's the reason PP can't or won't get his security clearance. Given the world situation with Russia, China, etc. - why won't PP just get that pesky security clearance issue resolved? I don't want a PM who plays games with our security posture.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Harper = master gaslighter of them all - reminds me why I can't stand the guy... super slime douche.

Best part about this is there are records that Carney will use.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Anecdotally, in my project meeting with 2 colleagues in my age, they said that they're happy about the house price coming down (especially when one of them currently lives in Vancouver Proper) while their parents are not.
How divisive can this election get...
At this point, I can no longer rule out the possibility that people (who think they're losing in life) will overlook PP's red flags and vote conservative regardless...

I suspect you are right. As I watched the Ontario election and also how Danni is screwing Alberta but still has good numbers in all the Conservative ridings.

If People want to know how PP will govern just look at Alberta, Ontario and Sask.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Did you or did you not read my post? This is not about minor ideological difference, campaign style, or personal likeability but rather gets to the core of who PP & Trump are.

Trump, as I have already said, is a misogynistic, dictatorial, irrational, narcissistic, racist, undemocratic, criminal who does not believe in human rights, the rule of law, nor the democratic process and it's institutions. No one can accuse PP of being ANY of those things and anyone saying he is knows nothing about him and anyone comparing him to Trump, knows nothing about Trump.

The Liberals have always governed and campaigned from the cesspool but even for them, this is a new low. Even the idea of clumping these 2 together as if they are just different sides of the same coin is enough to make me truly nauseous.

that's fine....I have never seen any Liberal say Pierre is any of those things you say, and you can argue that Pierre isn't trump personally, but the image many Canadians have of him is that he is cut from the same cloth in many ways....he literally announced he was going to eliminate foreign aid two days after trump made huge headlines with the same announcement....his playbook has been the same for two years...you can't argue that....he may or may not be the same person but he has crafted the same image....you can't deny that...it's a big reason he has tanked in the polls....liberals didn't create the connection to trump...Pierre did that himself...liberals reinforcing that reality is fair politics.

if the cons started running ads that carney or freeland were the same as trump they would get laughed at...ask yourself why that is?.....he maybe shouldn't have been out there celebrating with the truckers...maybe he shouldn't do one-on-one interviews with Jordan Peterson....maybe he shouldn't use insult nicknames and wear slogans on his clothing...maybe he shouldn't openly mock and deride the media.....he made his own bed, baby....don't blame the liberals...there's a reason he has been endorsed by the MAGA people in the States....it's not because the liberals have equated him to Trump.

Liberals campaign from the cell pool? That's funny...have you seen the conservative ads of Carney all in red with dramatic music making him look like the devil?....cons invented the attack ad....it has often gotten them in trouble and turned off voters who are not their base.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

We have some interesting development in the race.

Harper is now flip-flopping about Carney contribution to addressing the financial crisis. When he Carney went to the Bank of England, Harper wrote about how he was a valuable partner. Now he is writing that in no way does he support Carney and thinks Carney is taking away Flaherty legacy.

The truth is likely somewhere between. But interesting that Harper is writing letters to Conservatives. Perhaps PP has realized he is in trouble and needs Harper to come and save him.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-carney-financial-crisis-1.7473091

One can be a "valuable partner" but still be trying to take credit for things that were under the Fiannce Minister's purview, not the BoC's.

[Marshsparrow]

“Make no mistake, Mark Carney is just like Justin,” Harper wrote in his letter.

Bahahahahaha... Conservatives and this claim become increasingly ridiculous every day! What exactly did Harper ntrust PP to in your government? Aside from robocalls and being a pitbull - nothing of value or significance.

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

One can be a "valuable partner" but still be trying to take credit for things that were under the Fiannce Minister's purview, not the BoC's.

From the odd interview I have seen. He tends to say "we" and not "I" all that much in relationship to the financial crisis.

There are vary clear roles for the Governor of the Bank of Canada, the Finance Minister and the Superintendent of Financial Institutions.

While Harper may have a point, it is odd that he is deciding now to get involved. Apparently PP wife has also spoken up about it. Weird dynamics at play on the conservative side between the three of them.

[missing_middle]

For a guy who has a only been in the arena for about a month, a pattern is already emerging of mistruths and exaggeration from Carney:

Add this recent one where he claims that "Canada is the largest supplier of semiconductors to the US":

https://x.com/sjefferies73/status/1896589122732740713/video/2

Either he doesn't know what a semiconductor is or is just randomly making facts up.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by savevp

...Perhaps an easily - Photoshopped image with a Maga hat edited in, and a fake headline atop it all.

Fake news, in short.

Maybe consider not claiming something is "fake news"...

Originally Posted by savevp

Edit: the Maga hat appears to be a real photo from 2016...

Unitl you've actually checked into it?

Originally Posted by savevp

There's no indication of any current Trump support on her socials, and the alleged news screenshot came from 'Canadians Against Pierre Poilievre' on Facebook. Byrne is odiously hyperpartisan, but this is not a bombshell.

Byrne, on Twitter in January, when Erin O'Toole thanked Anita Anand for her public service after she announced she would not be running again:

For anyone unsure why Erin is no longer Leader of the Conservative Party…

[Anand] supported DEI policies like name, rank, and pronouns. Tampons in men’s rooms, etc…

Sure sounds like Trump-style terminology.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

“Make no mistake, Mark Carney is just like Justin,” Harper wrote in his letter.
.

Including that slogan in the letter just made it feel like he was told to write it by the Poilievre campaign manager....just like the Trump letter last week....damage control letters.

Because they have spent two years doing nothing but blaming Trudeau for every cloudy day, they can only resort to trying to convince people the new guy is the old guy so all their efforts aren't lost...had they actually spent that time telling Canadians what they stand for instead, they wouldn't be flailing so much.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Harper = master gaslighter of them all - reminds me why I can't stand the guy... super slime douche.

Oh My, that's not very nice. Riddle me this Marshsparrow, given the choice between Trudeau and Harper as economic stewards which would you choose now that we have ten year comparative examples to judge.

Given the personal invective towards Harper I will understand if you spit and foam for the first part of your answer. Who WAS the better manager?

[casper]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Oh My, that's not very nice. Riddle me this Marshsparrow, given the choice between Trudeau and Harper as economic stewards which would you choose now that we have ten year comparative examples to judge.

Given the personal invective towards Harper I will understand if you spit and foam for the first part of your answer. Who WAS the better manager?

Harper had his issues.

The way he tried to limit publications from federal scientists was very concerning.

He had no real industrial policy and his spending on defence was inadequate. The liberals have done better in both regards. Not where we need to be be, but better.

He was far to cozy with both the US and China. While it may have sounded like the correct idea at the time, it was not.

His management of the economy while not bad was not great either. Many of the same complaints people have of JT would has also applied to SH.

[Marty_Mcfly]

If the Liberals are going to try and frame Poilievre as Trump-lite, they can't be going around sending out e-mails using the exact same phrasing they're criticizing the conservatives for.

It's all fun and games comparing "Canada First" to "America First" until you yourself also use it.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by casper

Harper had his issues.

The way he tried to limit publications from federal scientists was very concerning.

He had no real industrial policy and his spending on defence was inadequate. The liberals have done better in both regards. Not where we need to be be, but better.

He was far to cozy with both the US and China. While it may have sounded like the correct idea at the time, it was not.

His management of the economy while not bad was not great either. Many of the same complaints people have of JT would has also applied to SH.

Trudeau has continued the muzzling of Fed scientists, Firehosing money to brittle battery plant Idea's is a tenuous Policy, Ideological yes but policy ?

Harper inherited a Liberal War commitment and went on to prosecute that war while rebuilding airlift and Ship building capacity. Kudos to Trudeau that he has left those things be. The Democrats and NATO made the Liberals increase Defence spending. Given the choice Trudeau would not spend another dime but times have changed, except the new guy thinks he can punt until 2030. Mmmm.

Harper added 168 Billion to the National Debt that included a world economic Forum ask of 50 Billion to recover from the 2008 crash. Trudeau firehosed borrowed money and doubled a 158 year old Nations debt to 1.2 Trillion with a T and Green theft all over the place.

Time will tell how both men are judged.

[Curmudgeon]

^^^

Don't be too concerned. Once Canadians get to know who Carney is they'll reject him. Remember how the state media fawned over Ignatieff in the beginning? Boy, he was the second coming. Short lived.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by casper

The Canadian approach has generally been to remove barriers that would discriminate against minorities or disadvantages groups being hired. I think that is solid policy both in the private and public sector. Give everyone a fair and equal chance.

Canada does not really have hiring quotas in the same sense as the US did.

The metrics where you measure the number of group is how you determine if your making progress. If your making progress over time with a large enough sample size you should see something that is more reflective of the population as a whole.

What I think got some right leaning folks in arms is seeing Canadian corporations actively court the gay community by participating in parades or flying flags. Or seeing banks recognize black history months or the like. Well in 2025 and by all means corporations should be free to recognize the communities they serve. Now is not the time to go backwards on any of that.

Just the opposite in fact. The Federal government has done nothing to actually remove barriers but gives contracts and appoints people based solely on equity status. Probably most voters don't care about the hard done by white male who is losing jobs but it drives up costs and ultimately lowers the quality of service if in many cases only marginally.

Corporations and local governments have similar policies that impact a lot more people. University admissions are starting in Canada. Mostly at the graduate level but we may soon be in the situation where if you are white or Asian it will be much much harder to get your kid into University. The feds have the power to stop it federally and could make policies to reverse it in many other fields.

I don't think anyone is against giving everyone a fair chance and some of us can even accept a fair chance requires some accommodation especially the earlier in your career or education path. I would be fine with some disadvantaged blacks from Jane and Finch getting probationary admission to a foundation year program at U of T. Giving a black middle class average student admission to medical school solely because they are black is not a road we should be taking.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Trudeau has continued the muzzling of Fed scientists, Firehosing money to brittle battery plant Idea's is a tenuous Policy, Ideological yes but policy ?

Harper inherited a Liberal War commitment and went on to prosecute that war while rebuilding airlift and Ship building capacity. Kudos to Trudeau that he has left those things be. The Democrats and NATO made the Liberals increase Defence spending. Given the choice Trudeau would not spend another dime but times have changed, except the new guy thinks he can punt until 2030. Mmmm.

Harper added 168 Billion to the National Debt that included a world economic Forum ask of 50 Billion to recover from the 2008 crash. Trudeau firehosed borrowed money and doubled a 158 year old Nations debt to 1.2 Trillion with a T and Green theft all over the place.

Time will tell how both men are judged.

When it came to defence spending, Harper did waited until there was a crisis and then purchased what was needed and available for quick delivery. Not much strategic foresight.

Not saying JT were perfect, they were not, the number clearly show a move up from below 1% to 1.37%. While that may have been driven by external affairs promises to allies, that is still better than scrambling last minute to get what deployed troops urgently need.

Yes, Harper was better at saving money. As you would expect from a Conservative.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

A friend from Saskatchewan sent me this earlier today.



What’s crazy, is that the only thing they are using is old videos of Jim Flaherty singing the praises of Mark Carney. Not taking his words out of context or anything.

• Video Link

The only people trying to put the words of a deadman out of context are Harper and Poilievre.

• Video Link

Harper crawling out of the woodwork to suddenly downplay the role Mark Carney played in maintaining Canada’s macroeconomic stability during his time in office reeks of pure desperation from the Conservatives.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by casper

When it came to defence spending, Harper did waited until there was a crisis and then purchased what was needed and available for quick delivery. Not much strategic foresight.

Not saying JT were perfect, they were not, the number clearly show a move up from below 1% to 1.37%. While that may have been driven by external affairs promises to allies, that is still better than scrambling last minute to get what deployed troops urgently need.

Yes, Harper was better at saving money. As you would expect from a Conservative.

AS I mentioned Harper inherited a Liberal War. Martin had ordered the Canadian battle group to Kandahar in late 2005 and the Head Quarters had been established there by December 2005. Harper did not take office until Feb 6 2006. He dusted off a Liberal C-130-30 contract for 16 a/c AND ADDED ONE. He bought 4 C-17's by August of 2006 and delivered by July 2007. Chinooks followed soon after.Lightening speed for Canadian procurement.