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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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Trump likes socialists now? Please pick a lane!

The goal only has 2 posts and they need to be in some kind of straight line.
Can a banker be a socialist? Especially one like carney who lived off the government teat the whole time he was in England and blew money like there was no tomorrow?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...ds-staggering-bank-england-expenses-bill
     
     
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Apologists? Claiming victory?

It's a dramatic shift in poll results. What are you looking at?
Read the history. Turner and Campbell both had "a dramatic shift in the polls" and then they had a traumatic shit at the polling stations.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2025, 5:07 PM
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Can a banker be a socialist? Especially one like carney who lived off the government teat the whole time he was in England and blew money like there was no tomorrow?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...ds-staggering-bank-england-expenses-bill
By that logic Trump is a socialist.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2025, 5:08 PM
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Read the history. Turner and Campbell both had "a dramatic shift in the polls" and then they had a traumatic shit at the polling stations.
Do you really think this is a similar situation? This is all Trump-based.

If Harris was elected, and Trudeau resigned, I'm sure a new PM Carney would get a similar bump then lose to PP in the election.

If you can't see the difference, I guess I can't explain it to you.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2025, 5:09 PM
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Read the history. Turner and Campbell both had "a dramatic shift in the polls" and then they had a traumatic shit at the polling stations.
Under normal circumstances I would be saying the exact same thing, but the current situation is unprecedented.

Anyone trying to predict things right now may just as well be reading tea leaves.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2025, 5:24 PM
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Under normal circumstances I would be saying the exact same thing, but the current situation is unprecedented.

Anyone trying to predict things right now may just as well be reading tea leaves.
Agreed.

I don't think this is a "dead cat bounce."

Make no mistake, this election will be against Donald Trump, and anyone who gives off the slightest whiff of being a Trumpian apologist will get severely punished at the polls.

PP's whole schtick has been to echo the catchy bullet phrases used by the orange komodo dragon for the last decade. Everything about PP's campaign strategy reeks of Trumpian sloganeering.

For PP to escape this, he will have to double down on anti-Trumpian rhetoric, and engage on anti-MAGA sentiment with unparalleled vigour.

It will still be close, but, I think there is a real chance the Liberals might pull this one off.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2025, 5:29 PM
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Can a banker be a socialist? Especially one like carney who lived off the government teat the whole time he was in England and blew money like there was no tomorrow?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...ds-staggering-bank-england-expenses-bill
By this logic Pierre is a SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST with a $230K gold plated pension!
     
     
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Is it honestly that surprising in the shift in polls? Con support has been increasing according to those latest polls, assuming they come from the Libs, just more support from the NDP are now supporting the Libs… it almost speaks more to the dislike of Sigh than it does the dislike of PP.
     
     
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Is it honestly that surprising in the shift in polls? Con support has been increasing according to those latest polls, assuming they come from the Libs, just more support from the NDP are now supporting the Libs… it almost speaks more to the dislike of Sigh than it does the dislike of PP.
I think its more people setting priorities.

The Liberals come across as a more experienced party when it comes to governing the country and handling a crisis. The Liberals have demonstrated they can adopt a "whole government" approach and provide a coordinated response to a threat. They have demonstrated they can work with the provinces to coordinate the response. They have demonstrated they can work with other countries.

The NDP have some strong socially progressive ideas that may sound interesting, however they have never been in government, so its a bit of a risk to go with them.

The Conservatives were in power 10 years ago. While they have experience governing lets face it is going to be a different team in power with a leader that has made a name for himself as someone who is good at finger pointing and floating "common sense" solutions. We know "common sense" is another name for assuming complex problems are not complex and implementing changes without doing your homework. Basically what Trump is doing.

We change governments around every 10 years. Each time it happens you lose some institutional knowledge at the very top and the first year is a bunch of senior people learning how to do their job. Ok, when we don't have a national crisis. Not ideal when we do.

Given the choice, I think some people who may like the Conservative or NDP platform better are going to go Liberal simple because of the experience knowing they can get it done.
     
     
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I couldn't agree with you more. Very well put.
Agreed, sums up my feelings exactly. I'm hoping Trump and his nonsense will put this populist libertarianism to bed for a while...
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What's foolish is thinking that Trump cares who the PM is. Sure, he's annoyed by Trudeau. But taking away that annoyance doesn't mean he'll suddenly be enamoured.

He is thinking a lot like Putin. And the offer to Canada is simple: We can be America's Belarus or America's Ukraine.
God, this is so depressing as a Canadian.
     
     
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Trudeau and trump probably talk more than we know and feed each other ideas. Why else was Justin so quick to fly down to Mar-a-largo to meet him after the election. It would also explain the carney connections. Two narcissists playing both sides.
I really doubt that. Trump is an idiot, who can't keep his mouth shut. We would know if Trudeau and Trump were in more talks. It may explain why the Premiers all decided to go to Washington, to persuade the US to drop the tariffs.

I mean the guy did not even invite Zelenskyy for the talks regarding the future of his own country.
     
     
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Read the history. Turner and Campbell both had "a dramatic shift in the polls" and then they had a traumatic shit at the polling stations.
Poilievre is no Mulroney or Chretien, and this is a rather selective view of history. Others here have already said it, but we may be witnessing the same dynamic that sunk Tim Hudak's PCs in Ontario just over a decade ago.
     
     
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Read the history. Turner and Campbell both had "a dramatic shift in the polls" and then they had a traumatic shit at the polling stations.

You left out the most recent example of this happening (probably for obvious reasons). Paul Martin replaced Jean Chretien, when he was forced out in 2003, and proceeded to win the 2004 election, so it obviously can be done.
     
     
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You left out the most recent example of this happens (probably for obvious reasons). Paul Martin replaced Jean Chretien in 2003, and proceeded to win the 2004 election, so it obviously can be done.
Turner and Campbell's predecessors from their own parties (PET and Mulroney) were way more unpopular with Canadians than Martin's (Chrétien) was.

EDIT: Current anger with Justin Trudeau is on the higher end compared to all of these.
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Can a banker be a socialist? Especially one like carney who lived off the government teat the whole time he was in England and blew money like there was no tomorrow?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...ds-staggering-bank-england-expenses-bill
Can a conservative be pro-business if he has never drawn a paycheck from a private company at any point in his life?

also...wouldn't living off the government teat make him a socialist?

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Surprisingly no. Just reading about carney and who he has been around.

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if carney gets a trump endorsement once he is crowned.
Poilievre got one so wouldn't that be a good thing for you? You seem to support people who Trump likes.

when he doesn't, will you retract your comment or will you be a typical conspiracy theorist who just forgets their beliefs once they don't happen?
     
     
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Trudeau and trump probably talk more than we know and feed each other ideas...
This is one of the weirdest suggestions yet.
     
     
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I think its more people setting priorities.

The Liberals come across as a more experienced party when it comes to governing the country and handling a crisis. The Liberals have demonstrated they can adopt a "whole government" approach and provide a coordinated response to a threat. They have demonstrated they can work with the provinces to coordinate the response. They have demonstrated they can work with other countries.

The NDP have some strong socially progressive ideas that may sound interesting, however they have never been in government, so its a bit of a risk to go with them.

The Conservatives were in power 10 years ago. While they have experience governing lets face it is going to be a different team in power with a leader that has made a name for himself as someone who is good at finger pointing and floating "common sense" solutions. We know "common sense" is another name for assuming complex problems are not complex and implementing changes without doing your homework. Basically what Trump is doing.

We change governments around every 10 years. Each time it happens you lose some institutional knowledge at the very top and the first year is a bunch of senior people learning how to do their job. Ok, when we don't have a national crisis. Not ideal when we do.

Given the choice, I think some people who may like the Conservative or NDP platform better are going to go Liberal simple because of the experience knowing they can get it done.
Well said. Not much I’d disagree with. When I first saw the polls come out I was like wow Conservative support is shifting back to the liberals, but when I look closer and see + next to their name, they are gaining support as well, just the Libs are gaining more support for the NDP. Which totally makes sense.

Regarding the Conservative finger pointing, while it’s the job of the opposition to identify the shortcomings of the government in power, I rember the countless times the Liberals in power kept pointing their finger back to the Harper government of all their shortcomings. Even up until not too long ago they Trudeau would lay blame on the Harper government.

This campaign season is actually going to be fun to watch.
     
     
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Do you really think this is a similar situation? This is all Trump-based.

If Harris was elected, and Trudeau resigned, I'm sure a new PM Carney would get a similar bump then lose to PP in the election.

If you can't see the difference, I guess I can't explain it to you.
At the end of the day the Libs have made life in Canada far more unbearable (ie unaffordable) for young Canadians than Trump ever could.
     
     
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