Statistics Canada Reports II

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by rdaner

I wonder if the growth of Calgary and Edmonton will begin to affect the politics of Alberta? Is the proportion of Albertans living in these two CMAs increasing relative to the province as a whole?

For the last few years about 85% of Alberta's growth has been going to the two cities, with about 50% going to Calgary. Growth for 2023 was 53% going to Calgary, 34% to Edmonton and 14% to the rest of the province. I don't have the stats handy, but it was about the same for 2024 as well.
I'm hoping it'll change the political landscape, but time will tell.

Edit: Found the numbers for 2024, and much the same, except Edmonton increasing and the rest of the province decreasing. Of Alberta's 186K growth in 2024, Calgary 54%, Edmonton 38%, rest of province 8%

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

Amazing to think it’s almost 400,000, I still think of Saskatoon’s a city of an around 200K. One of these days I’ll make it out there.
Probably gets overshadowed because of the growth of Calgary and Edmonton. I was out visiting Calgary and Edmonton last summer and lots of changes, especially Calgary. I couldn’t believe how much Calgary had changed since my last visit around 2009ish.

A lot of change over the past couple of decades. Here's a rundown from another forum that talks about the amount of residential highrises 12 floors or higher (non-office) built in Calgary since 200. I was stunned to see it's 142, with 21 still u/c at the moment. For a prairie city the size of Calgary, it would be visibly noticeable for sure.

Inspired by a memory brought back by @DiscoStu I thought I'd create a thread to look back at Calgary's 25 year high rise residential boom. After years of not much in the way of high rise apartment towers, the boom started in the west part of Eau Claire with The Pointe on the Bow, Liberte, Chateau Lacaille, and then spread to west end of downtown shortly followed by Axxis, West Pointe, and various other Pointes kicking off a boom that has seen 142 towers built and another 21 U/C since then.
This is the list I can come up with. There may be some missing, what what an explosion after decades of relatively little high rise apartment building.

1998
Liberte

1999
Chateau Lacaille
Pointe on the Bow

2000
Axxis
The Grandview

2001
West Pointe
Marquis
205 Riverfront

2002
Princeton Hall
Renaissance East
Renaissance West

2003
Discovery Pointe
LaCaille Park Place
Chocolate
The Barclay

2004
The Macleod
Emerald Stone

2005
Rouleau South
Rouleau North
Tarjan Pointe
Manchester Housing Complex

2006
Sasso
Five West (west)
Vantage Pointe
Brava
Stella

2007
Arriva
Churchill Estates
Princeton Grande

2008
Encore
Five West (east)
Vetro
Castello
Nova

2009
Colours
Union Square
The Montana
London One
Riverfront Pointe One
Xenex
Louise Station
Highbury

2010
Riverfront Pointe Two 2010
One Waterfront 2010
Nuera 2010
Ovation 2010
Keynote One 2010
Le Germain 2010
London One 2010
Oscar
Solaire

2011
Two Waterfront

2012
Luna
Lumino
Clover

2013
Keynote Two
University City Orange
University City Yellow
Vivenda 56 (Lumino)
Calla

2014
Alura
Arch
Drake
Centre 1010/Mustard Seed


2015
Aura
Outlook Waterfront
Fuse
First
The Park
The River
Glenmore Gardens
Monterey I

2016
Guardian One
Guardian Two
Versus West
Mark on 10th
Pulse
Portfolio
Fifteen15
Versus East
University City Green
University City Red
1215
The Metropolitan
Bridgeland Crossing

2017
Avenue
Vogue
Sixth and Tenth
Smith
N3
Manor Village at Fish Creek
Manor Village at Fish Creek South
Monterey III



2018
Parkside Waterfront
Park Point

2019
SODO
The Underwood
The Hat EV
Verve
INK
The Concord
The Royal

2020
Telus Sky
Upten
One Central Park
The Hub
Libra (Lumino)
The Hat 7th
Brio

2021
West Village Tower I
West Village Towerr II
BLVD North
BLVD South
Arris East
Orion (Lumino)
Dominion I
Deville I
Redstone



2022
Eleven
Oliver East
The Bridge
Dominion II
Deville II
Deville III
The Theodore

2023
Blume I
Riverwalk
Era
Neoma (Sierra Place)
West 17

2024
Arris West
Two Park Central
Wellings One
Wellings two
Oliver West
The Hat 14
Sunalta OneNude
Blume II
Uxborough
Cornerstone
Teck Place

U/C
Nest
4th street lofts
Francesco
Imperia
Lincoln
Galleria Tenth and Fourth
Yellowstone
Block 22
Aria Encore
First & Park
Deville 1V
Sovereign
Oak & Oliver
526 4th
Kit at Kensington
Eau Claire Place II
The Loft
Hannover Place
The Barron
Place 800
DeVille 4

[KnoxfordGuy]

I tracked the population clock over the last 24 hours and it shows that New Brunswick population growth has dropped dramatically. We grew 12 people in the last 24 hours. Population growth in Canada has crashed.

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by KnoxfordGuy

I tracked the population clock over the last 24 hours and it shows that New Brunswick population growth has dropped dramatically. We grew 12 people in the last 24 hours. Population growth in Canada has crashed.

All that commentary about how the big bad Liberals were never serious about curbing immigration are going to age badly. TFWs and foreign study-permit holders are dropping super-fast. 318,000 net non-permanent residents on Q3 of 2023 compared to 47,000 in Q3 2024--last quarter with available data. New Brunswick, for example, went from 6,000 to less than 1,000. Ontario went from +152,000 to -1,700. Alberta from 30,000 to 11,600.

Permanent resident admissions are also dropping, from 37,000 in the last month of 2023 to 31,000 in the the last month of 2024. The was especially pronounced in provinces that rely on provincial nominee programs, since that program was unilaterally cut by 50 percent (Nova Scotia dropped from 1,310 to 570, Manitoba from 2,140 to 1,325, SK from 1,820 to 1,075 and BC from 6,585 to 4,100).

I think this was a blunt approach. The Atlantic provinces and even moreso MB/SK rely on the PNP, whereas Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and to some degree BC are insulated from these cuts, with much smaller shares of their PR intake coming from it. I think cutting PNPs by, say, 75 percent, and making up the difference elsewhere, would have been better.

Canada's population growth is going to be dramatically lower, in every region, this year compared to last.

[trueviking]

Saskatoon is a nice city.....i was there last year for the first time in a long time and i really enjoyed it....it has more urban shopping streets than Winnipeg.

[drew]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

I think this was a blunt approach. The Atlantic provinces and even moreso MB/SK rely on the PNP, whereas Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and to some degree BC are insulated from these cuts, with much smaller shares of their PR intake coming from it. I think cutting PNPs by, say, 75 percent, and making up the difference elsewhere, would have been better.

Cutting the PNP programs is stupid IMO. These are regions in Canada that need the people (and are mostly overlooked with general immigration) and also have the most affordable housing, available services etc. This is where we should want people to go to take pressure off of the crazy markets (especially southern Ontario and BC).

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by drew

Cutting the PNP programs is stupid IMO. These are regions in Canada that need the people (and are mostly overlooked with general immigration) and also have the most affordable housing, available services etc. This is where we should want people to go to take pressure off of the crazy markets (especially southern Ontario and BC).

Provincial nominees also tend to have high levels of success and integrate well. I doubt it was the intent but this essentially means the feds are in a way playing favourites--cutting the PNP so much means immigration is not being cut evenly across the country.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

Provincial nominees also tend to have high levels of success and integrate well. I doubt it was the intent but this essentially means the feds are in a way playing favourites--cutting the PNP so much means immigration is not being cut evenly across the country.

I don't know why they couldn't just go back to the policy of the late 2010's, which was working well. The problem was fake degrees and TFWs, not provincial nominees. Canadian politics can be depressing sometimes, and in the end the smaller parts of the country are always more likely to take the collateral damage.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Saskatoon is a nice city.....i was there last year for the first time in a long time and i really enjoyed it....it has more urban shopping streets than Winnipeg.

Like Saskatoon a lot as well. Been there 3 times in the last year and heading back late March for a week. Great city during the summer.

Easy to get to from Edmonton. only 5 hour drive.

Thankfully I don't have to go any further to Regina.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Airboy

Like Saskatoon a lot as well. Been there 3 times in the last year and heading back late March for a week. Great city during the summer.

Easy to get to from Edmonton. only 5 hour drive.

Thankfully I don't have to go any further to Regina.

I do like Saskatoon also but Regina's not a bad city either. It gets a bad rap IMO.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

I do like Saskatoon also but Regina's not a bad city either. It gets a bad rap IMO.

I spent to many years driving down the high to spend a weekend on Wascana Lk.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Airboy

I spent to many years driving down the high to spend a weekend on Wascana Lk.

Ah the art of sarcasm lol... and you probably did river kayak trips down Wascana creek?

Seriously though, Regina beach is a good place to go hit a lake. Not as nice as some of the lakes north of Saskatoon, but it's good and handy, you could look outside and if it was a nice day, pick up and be there in 30 min. Used to go there a lot when I was a kid.

[phone]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Ah the art of sarcasm lol... and you probably did river kayak trips down Wascana creek?

Seriously though, Regina beach is a good place to go hit a lake. Not as nice as some of the lakes north of Saskatoon, but it's good and handy, you could look outside and if it was a nice day, pick up and be there in 30 min. Used to go there a lot when I was a kid.

One thing that Saskatoon has in common with Southern Ontario is virtually the same conception of "cottage country". Alberta/BC are obviously more mountain-focused as summer weekend getaway. But going up to Muskoka is very very similar to going up to Emma, Candle, Waskesiu, or any number of others... but obviously more "Sask sized". I'm not so familiar with Manitoba but it wouldn't surprise me if it's similar.

[savevp]

Manitoba's got nothing if not substantial lakes. Gimli struck me as something like a Gravenhurst-by-the-Sea. I'm sure many Torontonians would be envious of the easy commute from Winnipeg to cottages on the big lakes.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Ah the art of sarcasm lol... and you probably did river kayak trips down Wascana creek?

Seriously though, Regina beach is a good place to go hit a lake. Not as nice as some of the lakes north of Saskatoon, but it's good and handy, you could look outside and if it was a nice day, pick up and be there in 30 min. Used to go there a lot when I was a kid.

There's a creek!.I was out to Regina Beach quite lovely. No I just spent to much time in Regina and only a short time in Saskatoon. But my current situation has made it so I can enjoy Saskatoon more.

And it wasn't kayaking it was rowing around the geese.

[harls]

Originally Posted by savevp

Manitoba's got nothing if not substantial lakes. Gimli struck me as something like a Gravenhurst-by-the-Sea. I'm sure many Torontonians would be envious of the easy commute from Winnipeg to cottages on the big lakes.

I'm from Manitoba and my hometown lake is an algae cesspool.

Not all Manitobans are from Winnipeg.

[HomeInMyShoes]

Originally Posted by harls

I'm from Manitoba and my hometown lake is an algae cesspool.

Not all Manitobans are from Winnipeg.

Almost all southern prairie lakes are algae cesspools. Need to go north of the 53rd latitude unless it is seriously away from agricultural areas.

[ciudad_del_norte]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

For the last few years about 85% of Alberta's growth has been going to the two cities, with about 50% going to Calgary. Growth for 2023 was 53% going to Calgary, 34% to Edmonton and 14% to the rest of the province. I don't have the stats handy, but it was about the same for 2024 as well.
I'm hoping it'll change the political landscape, but time will tell.

Edit: Found the numbers for 2024, and much the same, except Edmonton increasing and the rest of the province decreasing. Of Alberta's 186K growth in 2024, Calgary 54%, Edmonton 38%, rest of province 8%

Provincial electoral boundaries are set to be redrawn before the next election and could have a substantial impact on outcome. Additional seats in Edmonton are definitely a liability for the UCP, and while they generally have a better chance in Calgary , an increase in seats there is hardly as safe as it once was.

Population growth in itself wont change things as much, but how that growth is grouped together will probably decide the next Alberta election. This could also change some of the smaller city cities to either competitive, or safe NDP.

Federally though - I don't see too much of an impact. The liberal brand is far too damaged in the province to be competitive in more than 1-2 ridings in either city, there just isn't enough of a base for an influx to make a difference. The NDP has become increasingly competitive in Edmonton but I think weird things can happen if new residents aren't acclimated to the 2 party thinking that dominates most of the province.

There is a long term shift though, both Edmonton and Calgary are trending more towards the North American norm of Urban vs. Rural voting patterns. Edmonton started to the left of the province so it is more obvious, but Calgary has also changed a lot. Migration is centralizing more population and political power into the cities, but even more impactful is probably the underlying ideology shift for a lot of people that grew up in the province.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by ciudad_del_norte

Provincial electoral boundaries are set to be redrawn before the next election and could have a substantial impact on outcome. Additional seats in Edmonton are definitely a liability for the UCP, and while they generally have a better chance in Calgary , an increase in seats there is hardly as safe as it once was.

Population growth in itself wont change things as much, but how that growth is grouped together will probably decide the next Alberta election. This could also change some of the smaller city cities to either competitive, or safe NDP.

Federally though - I don't see too much of an impact. The liberal brand is far too damaged in the province to be competitive in more than 1-2 ridings in either city, there just isn't enough of a base for an influx to make a difference. The NDP has become increasingly competitive in Edmonton but I think weird things can happen if new residents aren't acclimated to the 2 party thinking that dominates most of the province.

There is a long term shift though, both Edmonton and Calgary are trending more towards the North American norm of Urban vs. Rural voting patterns. Edmonton started to the left of the province so it is more obvious, but Calgary has also changed a lot. Migration is centralizing more population and political power into the cities, but even more impactful is probably the underlying ideology shift for a lot of people that grew up in the province.

Even though our boundaries are supposed to be nonpartisan planning I expect to see the new boundaries will cut out rural portions of the urban ridings. Create more rural ridings at the cost of Edmonton and Calgary ridings. Hell we may see Lethbridge cut up.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by ciudad_del_norte

Provincial electoral boundaries are set to be redrawn before the next election and could have a substantial impact on outcome. Additional seats in Edmonton are definitely a liability for the UCP, and while they generally have a better chance in Calgary , an increase in seats there is hardly as safe as it once was.

There is a long term shift though, both Edmonton and Calgary are trending more towards the North American norm of Urban vs. Rural voting patterns. Edmonton started to the left of the province so it is more obvious, but Calgary has also changed a lot. Migration is centralizing more population and political power into the cities, but even more impactful is probably the underlying ideology shift for a lot of people that grew up in the province.

Let's hope the redraw of ridings puts more into Calgary and Edmonton as it should be and for sure there's for sure an underlying shift to the left for people who grew up in the cities.
Ironically the high international immigration numbers might not help the NDP win seats in Calgary. The newly arrived international immigrants vote is a mix bag. A high number of international immigrants are surprisingly right leaning.

Originally Posted by Airboy

Even though our boundaries are supposed to be nonpartisan planning I expect to see the new boundaries will cut out rural portions of the urban ridings. Create more rural ridings at the cost of Edmonton and Calgary ridings. Hell we may see Lethbridge cut up.

I hope not, I mean the ridings are supposed to be based on where the populations is, but I fear you might be right. It wouldn't surprise me if the UCP tried gerrymandering the ridings to get more rural ridings.