Canadian Federal Election

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by trueviking

they are saying, we have a candidate for Prime Minister who has managed the economies of two G7 countries through their central bank.....the conservatives are saying we have a candidate with no experience in literally anything except being an angry politician.

Touché… very similar strategy sure worked for Trudeau and the Liberals in 2015 though.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Why clutter the forum, with an interview with a narcissistic sociopath, and fringe candidate?

So she was good enough to be a member of the liberal party and represent the brand in the house, now all of a sudden she’s not good enough to be leader and she’s corrupt lol but Ghislaine’s buddy is all good.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hecate

So she was good enough to be a member of the liberal party and represent the brand in the house, now all of a sudden she’s not good enough to be leader and she’s corrupt lol but Ghislaine’s buddy is all good.

There have always been shady MP's, or leadership candidates for every party. Being from Ruby's hometown, I have never heard anything good about her. Then again, a Quisling like Kevin O'Leary ran for leadership of the Conservative Party. It's not a partisan issue.

[MolsonExport]

Ghislaine’s buddy

What are you going on about?

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Part of Carney’s plan is to implement the carbon tax in addition to the tarrifs on products affected by the tariffs, such as steel. That can’t be comforting for industry who will be fighting for their lives with the tariffs alone. Not to mention, despite what Carney says, the consumer will ultimately pay the price for the carbon tax.

It sure how the Liberals can say they are doing all they can to fight the tariffs when they continue to artificially inflate the price. The tariff alone is more than enough to reduce carbon emissions, to the point businesses will close up and Canada’s emissions will go down. Mission accomplished.

I think we should wait until we see actual policies instead of making assumptions.

It is not reasonable to ignore climate policy. In fact if diversifying our trade is important, starting next year, carbon intensive materials sold to the EU that don’t come from a country with a carbon pricing system will face a significant carbon tax. Many other countries are looking to follow this. We can’t return to 1980.

[Werthers]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

It's weird seeing Melania without makeup but even without it she still looks fine

Originally Posted by Hecate

A fifteen year old who made a bad decision shouldn’t have to leave their state to get healthcare. Trying to justify that is kinda gross.

TRUMP DID THAT.

So every time a teenager gets knocked up it's not her fault nor is it her parent's fault and the boy that knocked her up bears no responsibility either so it's all Donald Trump's fault

So personal responsibility has no place in the conversation, in fact anything even vaguely approximating personal responsibility is just gross huh?

People like you that think everything that happens is the fault of Donald Trump are the same people that ironically, look to the government for everything

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I think we should wait until we see actual policies instead of making assumptions.

It is not reasonable to ignore climate policy. In fact if diversifying our trade is important, starting next year, carbon intensive materials sold to the EU that don’t come from a country with a carbon pricing system will face a significant carbon tax. Many other countries are looking to follow this. We can’t return to 1980.

What a good thing then Trudeau made it almost impossible to build facilities to export "carbon intensive materials".

[bolognium]

Originally Posted by Werthers

It's weird seeing Melania without makeup but even without it she still looks fine


So every time a teenager gets knocked up it's not her fault nor is it her parent's fault and the boy that knocked her up bears no responsibility either so it's all Donald Trump's fault

So personal responsibility has no place in the conversation, in fact anything even vaguely approximating personal responsibility is just gross huh?

People like you that think everything that happens is the fault of Donald Trump are the same people that ironically, look to the government for everything

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

How are the Liberals different in focusing on the biggest political issue in recent Canadian history? What are they saying that the conservatives aren’t?

From what I have seen, PP and the Conservatives have only mentioned once how they would retaliate against Trump, which is good. The problem is, 90% of the time, they are going on about "Carbon Tax Carney" which is incredibly tone deaf.

In terms of issues of importance, it barely registers with most voters, in comparison with the threats by the Trump Administration. The Liberals are knocking it out of the park, with their ads noting the similarities between PP and Trump, and this is precisely why the Conservatives blew a 27 point lead.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Werthers

It's weird seeing Melania without makeup but even without it she still looks fine



So every time a teenager gets knocked up it's not her fault nor is it her parent's fault and the boy that knocked her up bears no responsibility either so it's all Donald Trump's fault

So personal responsibility has no place in the conversation, in fact anything even vaguely approximating personal responsibility is just gross huh?

People like you that think everything that happens is the fault of Donald Trump are the same people that ironically, look to the government for everything

Thank God most Canadians do not share your opinions on this issue, and support women's reproductive rights.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

From what I have seen, PP and the Conservatives have only mentioned once how they would retaliate against Trump, which is good. The problem is, 90% of the time, they are going on about "Carbon Tax Carney" which is incredibly tone deaf.

In terms of issues of importance, it barely registers with most voters, in comparison with the threats by the Trump Administration. The Liberals are knocking it out of the park, with their ads noting the similarities between PP and Trump, and this is precisely why they blew a 27 point lead.

The problem is this. You're choosing to believe the LPC narrative and not paying attention to what he's actually saying. As the incumbent, the LPC get a strong signal boost on this file. They also have a leadership convention that is occupying media and mind space. The opposition doesn't have that right now. Does anyone remember the last time we heard for Jagmeet Singh and Blanchet? It doesn't mean they're not saying anything.

If you pay attention, PP has been repeating the same dollar for dollar tariffs line that the Liberals and most of the premiers have been pushing since at least January. I don't think there's going to be a significant difference between how he reacts to the tariffs versus Carney or Freeland -there's a broad consensus on this already, and he's a part of that.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

From what I have seen, PP and the Conservatives have only mentioned once how they would retaliate against Trump, which is good. The problem is, 90% of the time, they are going on about "Carbon Tax Carney" which is incredibly tone deaf.

In terms of issues of importance, it barely registers with most voters, in comparison with the threats by the Trump Administration. The Liberals are knocking it out of the park, with their ads noting the similarities between PP and Trump, and this is precisely why they blew a 27 point lead.

I respectfully disagree. I appreciate your point regarding how the Liberals separate themselves from the Cons regarding tariffs, regarding the slip in the lead is almost entirely due to everyone completely done with Trudeau. There is a direct correlation between Trudeau announced his resignation and the polls beginning to be more balanced.. Poilievre has come out saying he will hit back dollar for dollar. Same message as the Libs.

Plus… the Liberals and their messages are dominating the airwaves for the simple fact that they are in a leadership race… why would the media pay attention to t he conservatives when there is an election for the next prime minister underway. Perhaps that is in part why the polls are trending to more balance as well.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The War on terrorism was not a major political issue on September 10. 2001 either.

PP and the Conservatives are tone deaf, and not focusing on the biggest political issue in recent Canadian history. It's going to cost them the election.

Sept 2001 was only months into a Presidential term, not months from the next election. Slogans hadn't even been dreamt about yet for the re-election race.

[samne]

People are making it seem like Carney was the only one dealing with Canada's economy. Arguably it was direction of Jim Flaherty and the prudence of Canada's banking system of the Big 5 that avoided collapse during the GFC. Carney brought us historical low interest rates and what created the biggest real estate bubble in Canadian history. Today's housing unaffordability can be traced to this guy.

BTW the reviews about Carney's job with the Bank of England are not too kind either.

This is not the guy we need. ZIRP is a thing of the past for good reason.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by whatnext

What a good thing then Trudeau made it almost impossible to build facilities to export "carbon intensive materials".

Link?

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by whatnext

What a good thing then Trudeau made it almost impossible to build facilities to export "carbon intensive materials".

Originally Posted by Hackslack

I respectfully disagree. I appreciate your point regarding how the Liberals separate themselves from the Cons regarding tariffs, regarding the slip in the lead is almost entirely due to everyone completely done with Trudeau. There is a direct correlation between Trudeau announced his resignation and the polls beginning to be more balanced.. Poilievre has come out saying he will hit back dollar for dollar. Same message as the Libs.

Plus… the Liberals and their messages are dominating the airwaves for the simple fact that they are in a leadership race… why would the media pay attention to t he conservatives when there is an election for the next prime minister underway. Perhaps that is in part why the polls are trending to more balance as well.

I disagree that the change is just a bounce from Trudeau stepping down. It’s way too big for just that. The failure of Poillievre is as much or even more important as a factor. He has spent two years being an attack dog and nothing else. He has used the Trump playbook with slogans on his clothing and rhyming insults to his opponents. He has not built a relationship or trust with Canadians. He just farmed their rage. Now that Canadians are looking for a solution to a specific issue, those things don’t matter and he has to start right from square one.

It’s not about saying he will tariff back. It’s about a feeling that he isn’t the right guy. He’s not the adult in the room. He has never tried to cultivate that image. He has banked on being the angry attack dog. But that’s not what this moment needs in people’s minds. They want a calm and steady hand on the wheel. Not the screaming angry guy. He objectively does not have the resume for the moment. He has to convince Canadians that it doesn’t matter. He needs to change how they feel about him which is a huge task at this point. He should have started that two years ago instead of just yelling at Trudeau constantly. He should probably start by not emulating the most hated person in the world.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by theman23

The problem is this. You're choosing to believe the LPC narrative and not paying attention to what he's actually saying.

I'm choosing to believe what I have seen and read about the Conservatives have actually said about Trump, and due to PP not bothering to reinforce his message, it almost seems like an afterthought to the Conservatives. There is one party that is standing up, and fighting against Trump, and it is not the Conservatives. It's also notable that every single MAGA/far right spokesperson (Kevin O'Leary, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, etc), have openly endorsed Poilievre. It's almost certainly going to have the same affect as it did in Germany- which is kill any momentum the MAGA supported party (Conservatives) have. MAGA and the Trump Administration are massively unpopular in Canada and Europe. To have Musk and company endorsing Pierre Poilievre, is a blessing for the Liberal Party.

If you pay attention, PP has been repeating the same dollar for dollar tariffs line that the Liberals and most of the premiers have been pushing since at least January. I don't think there's going to be a significant difference between how he reacts to the tariffs versus Carney or Freeland -there's a broad consensus on this already, and he's a part of that.

That is all fine and good, but is drowned out by his redundant "Carbon Tax Carney" spiel.

[BlackDog204]

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Werthers

It's weird seeing Melania without makeup but even without it she still looks fine



So every time a teenager gets knocked up it's not her fault nor is it her parent's fault and the boy that knocked her up bears no responsibility either so it's all Donald Trump's fault

So personal responsibility has no place in the conversation, in fact anything even vaguely approximating personal responsibility is just gross huh?

People like you that think everything that happens is the fault of Donald Trump are the same people that ironically, look to the government for everything

You must own a trump bible.

What is your aim? Do you think you’re saving people?

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

What are you going on about?

Yeah that’s her. See carney knows all those people, as his sister in law is good friends with Ghislaine. Old schoolyard chums.