Canadian Federal Election

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by elly63

I think most (not all) authoritarians have a base animalistic instinct. That can be countered, but one who can actually think is scary

It's extremely rare but I think there are nonetheless some examples in history.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by elly63

That's a really good take but for me the jury is still out if he is the "safe" option. If he was I might be all in but I fear he would be more of the same leftist and far leftist policies. Now if he were a real Liberal, that would be a different story.

I mean his announcement yesterday of cutting back social spending and focusing on capital should satisfy you on this front, I would hope.

Trudeau's problem is that he has run up the debt on massive social spending - Carney is indicating that era is over.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I mean his announcement yesterday of cutting back social spending and focusing on capital should satisfy you on this front, I would hope.

Trudeau's problem is that he has run up the debt on massive social spending - Carney is indicating that era is over.

He certainly seems like he will restrain growth. Actual cuts is more debatable. If we get a short campaign with Trump lobbing tariff bombs in the middle of we might not get really detailed platforms on spending. I'd lean towards Poilievre having a 2029 budget that is closer to Carney but it's not certain. Poilievre is also likely to cut taxes towards the end of his mandate, Carney may continue the Liberal tax increases on wealth.

Lastly while Prime Ministers run things another big factor is the team that comes with Carney and Poilievre. Carney is likely to have people like Guilbault who as was mentioned elsewhere will insist on a certain climate ideology at least on some key issues. Meanwhile a Conservative cabinet is likely to have some equally ideological ministers in the other direction.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Werthers

I'd bet money that if this poll were taken before Trump was elected that 85% figure would be lower and our national pride is lower than it's ever been

Thanks Captain Obvious.

As for the rest of your comment. Maybe. Maybe not. What's the relevance to the price of tea in China?

[BlackDog204]

"Do you have a favourable or unfavourable opinion of Pierre Poilievre?"

37% Favourable
56% Unfavourable

source: https://www.338canada.ca/p/poilievres-numbers-hold-among-conservatives

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by travis3000

I can see why the younger 18-40 age group prefer PP. He's the rebel, looks to shake things up. The current system hasn't worked for these people. They feel left behind. More willing to take risks even during turbulent times.

PP a rebel? lol. Thanks for the laugh.

A far more realistic guess, is that young people are more susceptible to misinformation of social media, in particular Twitter and Facebook, where right wing influencers are far more prevalent than moderate or left wing influencers. Traditionally, young people are more likely to vote for progressive candidates than people over 35.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

PP a rebel? lol. Thanks for the laugh.

A far more realistic guess, is that young people are more susceptible to misinformation of social media, in particular Twitter and Facebook, where right wins influencers are far more prevalent than moderate or left wing influencers.

This isn’t rocket science, young people have been screwed by the Liberal Gerontocracy’s Ponzi scheme.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

What is truly remarkable is the complete collapse of the NDP. They are going to get decimated in the election. Singh is history........

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I mean his announcement yesterday of cutting back social spending and focusing on capital should satisfy you on this front, I would hope.

Trudeau's problem is that he has run up the debt on massive social spending - Carney is indicating that era is over.

We might well need that kind of collapse to shift LPC back to the centre.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by acottawa

This isn’t rocket science, young people have been screwed by the Liberal Gerontocracy’s Ponzi scheme.

Even then, despite the possible shift of LPC towards the centre, this election may still be divisive.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by acottawa

This isn’t rocket science, young people have been screwed by the Liberal Gerontocracy’s Ponzi scheme.

The youth are far more unhappy in Canada than older generations, as per the World Happiness Report. That’s what’s dragging Canada down in the rankings. They want change but also likely have much less sense of what the Cons are actually like in federal power.

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

THis can't be right for PP, no? It's more than the standard MP salary.

He's been in Parliament for over 15 years now. In fact, he first qualified for his pension 15 years ago, as Rick Mercer points out:

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[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by acottawa

This isn’t rocket science, young people have been screwed by the Liberal Gerontocracy’s Ponzi scheme.

I'll fix this for you. Young people have been screwed over by their own parents.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

I'll fix this for you. Young people have been screwed over by their own parents.

In the sense their parents elected the Liberal Gerontocracy.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by acottawa

In the sense their parents elected the Liberal Gerontocracy.

More that their parents are relying on real estate prices to remain high to fund their retirement.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

More that their parents are relying on real estate prices to remain high to fund their retirement.

With the Trudeau Liberals more than willing to do their bidding and sell out young people to keep housing prices and rent astronomical. Katie Telford's grand strategy to keep the OK Boomer base on side.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

A far more realistic guess, is that young people are more susceptible to misinformation of social media, in particular Twitter and Facebook, where right wing influencers are far more prevalent than moderate or left wing influencers. Traditionally, young people are more likely to vote for progressive candidates than people over 35.

Funny that young people's legitimate grievances are just written off as noise by Liberal strategists, and they're tarred and feathered as youngins susceptible to misinformation of social media if they're not voting for the natural governing party of Canada. Clearly there's something adrift with the progressive options in Canada today if they're scaring off young voters.

[someone123]

I also notice how the notion of air-headed young people has evolved over time to encompass any age range below the Boomers or Gen X. Now the naive group includes 30-40 year olds while the 60-70+ crowd is supposedly wiser, more informed, and I guess more able to navigate misinformation on the internet (lol).

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by someone123

I also notice how the notion of air-headed young people has evolved over time to encompass any age range below the Boomers or Gen X. Now the naive group includes 30-40 year olds while the 60-70+ crowd is supposedly wiser, more informed, and I guess more able to navigate misinformation on the internet (lol).

Weird take. "Ok Boomer" has been a way to brush off the concerns of older folks who "don't get it" for years now.

Every generation thinks the older one is out of touch, and the younger one is naive/stupid. This is nothing new.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Weird take. "Ok Boomer" has been a way to brush off the concerns of older folks who "don't get it" for years now.

Every generation thinks the older one is out of touch, and the younger one is naive/stupid. This is nothing new.

I don't think you understand my point. Back in the 90's, you would see this applied to something like teenagers versus 40 year olds, and there was more truth to it. Now more and more frequently you see people implicitly applying it to much older demographics, like 30-somethings versus 60-somethings.

I did not bring up "OK Boomer" and I was replying to an earlier post talking about how 18-40s are more prone to misinformation.

The reality is that people usually are more mature in their 30's and 40's than they are as teenagers, and there tends to be cognitive decline particularly in the 70's and 80's. And it's natural for a demographic that received a huge windfall and retired early to be out of touch with the job market or rental market. Younger people are more in touch with their own financial situation.

I don't think the idea that the 20-45 demographic is more susceptible to fake news on the internet than old people is true. As one example, Trump, basically fake news incarnate, has the most support in the 45+ male demographic. I'd bet that a disproportionate number of Canadian MAGA types are in this age demographic.

[MolsonExport]

I was exposed to two political ads this morning on Youtube. Both were "Carbon Tax Carney".

The conservatives need a better strategy than mounting attack ads that solely focus on what has become yesterday's news.

The conservatives have sewn up their "base", so their mindless sloganeering is falling on deaf ears. If they want to appeal to wavering voters, this is not the way to do it.