Canadian Airport Thread II

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by zahav

YYC's relatively poor standing for # of foreign carriers is not a reflection of demand or traffic levels. Rather, it is a result of WS's dominance and building their fortress hub.

When WS had zero widebodies and therefore zero long haul international flights, YYC was still struggling to attract foreign carriers. So that's not entirely true.

Originally Posted by zahav

Avianca is an odd one, they technically have all these separate "companies" for each country (Avianca El Salvador, Avianca Costa Rica, etc). But they are more like a combined entity than anything distinct (they share one booking system, fleet, and identical livery). Really seems more like the relationship of AC Express, Rouge, and mainline to each other, just brands or divisions of one airline but count as one.

Avianca El Salvador is the former TACA international airlines.
Avianca Costa Rica is LACSA.

They still have their own IATA/ICAO codes and callsigns (If you have a look on FR24, you will see this). The ownership and branding has changed, but the the operating licenses still belong to those specific airlines. These airlines are still needed due to the fact that several separate countries are involved, each with its own regulatory hurdles for domestic or foreign passenger carriage.

This is why Avianca cannot simply absorb them all into the mainline AV banner. They need to keep the subsidiaries separate, due to regulatory hurdles. So in that context, it makes sense to identify each airline separately, especially when they involve separate countries. The fact that Avianca is paying the bills is a secondary issue. As you said, it's a bit like AF and KL, but with the planes painted in the same livery.

[SignalHillHiker]

Originally Posted by zoomer

Victoria Harbour to Friday Harbor USA is a 30 minute flight. Victoria Harbour to Seattle Harbor is 45 minutes.

The shortest land based flight I could see from Victoria (YYJ - I hate these call letters by the way) to SEA is 51 minutes.

Thanks for searching this!

[MonctonRad]

Does anyone know if the developing Canadian travel boycott of the US is affecting load factors for transborder flights yet? Are there any initial numbers out there, or at least rumours???

[SignalHillHiker]

No idea, but a buddy of mine works screening at YYT and said he's stopped asking people where they're heading to as a form of small talk because it's become an uncomfortable topic.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

No idea, but a buddy of mine works screening at YYT and said he's stopped asking people where they're heading to as a form of small talk because it's become an uncomfortable topic.

Interesting.

I personally was considering a medical conference in San Diego, or, a conference in Orlando in December, but, not any more. Trump can go 🞵🞵🞵🞵 himself. As long as he remains president (and lets hope he has a stroke tomorrow), I have no intentions of crossing the border. Absolutely none.

Maybe I'll take that long vacation trip to Australia and NZ next year when I retire.........

[savevp]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Does anyone know if the developing Canadian travel boycott of the US is affecting load factors for transborder flights yet? Are there any initial numbers out there, or at least rumours???

No hard statistics yet but it would appear at least tangentially that Canadians are actually cancelling American travel plans: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6650270

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by manny_santos

And?

That doesn’t change that people need to travel for various reasons that aren’t connected to politics.

Dude, you literally have the Americans threatening the integrity of Canada’s border and you think it’s more important for Canadians to go to Disneyworld or visit Aunt Minnie in Minneapolis?

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10373125&postcount=4823

[theman23]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Dude, you literally have the Americans threatening the integrity of Canada’s border and you think it’s more important for Canadians to go to Disneyworld or visit Aunt Minnie in Minneapolis?

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10373125&postcount=4823

If Aunt Minnie (unfortunate name) is dying of pancreatic cancer or depends on weekly trips across the border from relatives, it's probably pretty important. Let's get a grip here - it's a trade war, not an actual war.

[MonctonRad]

I know what an "Aunt Minnie" is, but I imagine most forum members don't.

An Aunt Minnie is a slam-dunk diagnosis. ie - it is a diagnosis so obvious, it requires no deliberation or research.

As in "I know this is my Aunt Minnie. I know what she looks like, and this is her."

Anyway, there will always be exceptional circumstances where travel will be necessary. No one disputes this, but, most of the time travel to the US is discretionary and should be avoided (even business trips). This is why God invented Zoom........

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Pretty sure lots of Canadians had family and friends in Germany in 1938 too.

For all the smug and holier than now Canadians, just a reminder apartheid in South Africa was based on the Canadian Indian Act and the reserve system; both which still exist to this day. A reminder which was shared by an Indigenous keynote speaker at a recent conference in Ottawa. The speaker commented in some instances, Canada is more Trumpian than Trump.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Dude, you literally have the Americans threatening the integrity of Canada’s border and you think it’s more important for Canadians to go to Disneyworld or visit Aunt Minnie in Minneapolis?

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10373125&postcount=4823

I bet you have no issue with all the Alaskan cruises based out of Vancouver. Should Alaskan cruise ships be banned from Canadian ports of call?

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Dude, you literally have the Americans threatening the integrity of Canada’s border and you think it’s more important for Canadians to go to Disneyworld or visit Aunt Minnie in Minneapolis?

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10373125&postcount=4823

To be fair to the comment by manny_santos and to your response, why is everyone all of a sudden pitching this notion of Team Canada in response to anything Trump wants? It's Team Canada when anything threatening occurs to Ontario or Quebec but when other provinces have issues they are told to go bleep themselves. Canada unfortunately reaps what it sows. If the easterners want to continue importing from Saudi Arabia instead of anywhere in Canada then go for it. When German Chancellor Scholz came to Canada asking for LNG from the Maritimes so they did not need to rely on Russia, Trudeau said there was no business case. It's this kind of stupidity that has put us where we are.

Do I like Trump? No. Do I agree with 95% of what he's doing no? He is the next Putin/Xi in a democratic country turning into an autocratic country for at least 4 years. But Canada decided to sell their goods to ONE country. The stupidest business person in the country would even tell you that's stupid.

I and family will probably not go to the US for one simple reason, the Canadian dollar has become the peso again. It may simply be too expensive to go. Going to Europe isn't much of an option either based on flight costs + other travel fees. I can't speak to other parts of the world. What I am counting on is actually some seat sales to the US. I can't imagine WS, PD and AC parking too much of their planes but I could be wrong. WestJet has already sounded that bookings to the US are down 25%. That is significant.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

I bet you have no issue with all the Alaskan cruises based out of Vancouver. Should Alaskan cruise ships be banned from Canadian ports of call?

Why would we stop siphoning money out of Americans? The question is why would Canadians spend their money in a hostile country that threatens our very existence?

I must say I find it “odd” how many posters with little/no history of posting in local forums seem to be coming out of the woodwork to act as American apologists in the national one.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

For all the smug and holier than now Canadians, just a reminder apartheid in South Africa was based on the Canadian Indian Act and the reserve system; both which still exist to this day. A reminder which was shared by an Indigenous keynote speaker at a recent conference in Ottawa. The speaker commented in some instances, Canada is more Trumpian than Trump.

This is kind of nonsense to equate a 1980s forced separation with what is continued desire by Indigenous Canadians to maintain their treaty rights established in the 19th century in what was essentially 18th century conquest.

In 2025 Indigenous Canadians can live anywhere in Canada and enjoy full rights and have had that ability for generations despite prejudice by a number institutions for many years and some individuals still today.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by LO 044

What I am counting on is actually some seat sales to the US. I can't imagine WS, PD and AC parking too much of their planes but I could be wrong. WestJet has already sounded that bookings to the US are down 25%. That is significant.

For kicks, I priced out the flights just now that I already booked to the states for a cruise this summer. I booked Porter Reserve for $2100 for the both of us. It would cost me $3300 right now. Air Canada came in around $2100 for the closest comparable fare (preferred seat and luggage included) if I booked a slightly less desirable return flight time a couple hours later than the Porter departure time. At the time I booked, about 6 weeks ago, AC was several hundred dollars higher than Porter. I was concerned that with all this talk of travel boycotts that Porter might axe one of the 2 daily flights to SFO (if not both) but if the fares are going up, hopefully that suggests decent demand to keep the flight operating

[AuxTown]

No questionn that many people will continue to travel to the US for family/work/pleasure. This is just reality. I know some people who continue to travel to Russia to visit family/friends despite the war.

What is also quite clear is that many Canadians (particularly those with $$) have options and can choose to spend their money elsewhere. We chose Paris over NYC this summer and Dominican over Florida for March break. And this summer we will visit family in western Canada rather than friends in San Francisco like we originally discussed. None of these are big sacrifices for us and just about everyone I know is doing similar. Anywhere from 2-10% of US visitors are from Canada, depending what destination you are looking at. The tourism industry will feel this.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

This is kind of nonsense to equate a 1980s forced separation with what is continued desire by Indigenous Canadians to maintain their treaty rights established in the 19th century in what was essentially 18th century conquest.

In 2025 Indigenous Canadians can live anywhere in Canada and enjoy full rights and have had that ability for generations despite prejudice by a number institutions for many years and some individuals still today.

So, Niigaan Sinclair is speaking nonsense?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

So, Niigaan Sinclair is speaking nonsense?

What, an activist has an agenda? Perish the thought.

[whatnext]

This seems pretty clear:

Threat of U.S. tariffs affecting Canadian travel plans south of border
Posted Feb 14, 2025 10:48 am.
Last Updated Feb 14, 2025 6:34 pm.
Fewer Canadians are travelling to the U.S.A. these days, according to the country’s largest airlines, thanks to a low exchange rate and rising tensions between North American countries.

WestJet CEO Alexis von Hoensbroech is reporting a 25 per cent drop in Canadians booking trips to the United States over the past week.

“Sales from Canadians into the U.S. have dropped very significantly,” he said at a press conference Thursday. “If we feel we need to adjust our schedule, we will. But if people continue to fly to the U.S., we will continue supporting them…

https://calgary.citynews.ca/2025/02/14/canada-usa-travel-tension/

[Dominion301]

The flights through to March break will have a negligible impact on transborder bookings. It’ll be the flights 6 weeks out and beyond is where the dip is happening - on leisure routes For example WS this summer are reducing YYC-BNA from daily to 4x weekly. On the flip side, UA have just loaded a 4x daily YOW-IAD.