Canadian Federal Election

[Hecate]

Or you could have had a conservative government

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/nearly-half-say-they-may-not-agree-with-trucker-convoy

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

This part I don't get. Young people in the US didn't have a substantially different experience than here. But it was less severe.

I am sure if we did an updated poll, young people would be far less likely to want to join the United States. And if they do, it has nothing to do with Canada, or Canadian values. It has everything to do with technology, and the advent of social media, where it is a combination of interacting with Americans on a daily basis, and also bad-faith actors, who hold far right views (including some of own supposed media- Sun News and National Post), who run against the best interests of Canadians.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Was there anywhere in the US where COVID restrictions were as stringent as in Canada, and lasted for as long?

Also, in terms of housing affordability, the US has tons of desirable places to live and build a career where housing remains as affordable as it was a generation or two ago in Canada.

So no, at least on the these metrics younger Americans aren't feeling the same way as young Canadians.

(They likely have other sources of anxiety and frustration, however.)

We have to stop comparing ourselves to America, and start to look to countries with that have a higher quality of life than us (Scandinavia, etc)

For example, COVID restrictions were more lenient in Canada than most European countries, but we are going to compare ourselves to a country that had the highest fatality rate, of all 1st World nations, by far?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hecate

How many of those extra deaths were directly because of the federal government??? Revera care homes anyone???

The U.S. Failed Miserably on COVID-19. Canada Shows It Didn’t Have to Be That Way

"In comparing the two countries, the starting point must be the different response at the highest levels of government. In Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stated in March 2020, “I’m going to make sure that we continue to follow all the recommendations of public health officers particularly around stay-at-home whenever possible and self-isolation and social distancing”. This message was reinforced by Dr. Teresa Tam, Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer, who in March delivered a message urging solidarity, declaring “We need to act now, and act together.”

In the U.S., President Trump in striking contrast declared that he would not be wearing a mask, saying “I don’t think I will be doing it…I just don’t see it”. And instead of reinforcing the messages of Dr. Anthony Fauci and other leading public health officials, Trump actively undermined them, declaring in reference to stay-at-home orders in some states, “I think elements of what they’ve done are just too tough.” Not content with undercutting his top public health advisers, President Trump further undermined public confidence in science by suggesting “cures” for COVID-19, including at one point ingesting bleach and taking hydroxychloroquine, a drug that research confirmed had no efficacy as a COVD-19 treatment.


These divergent responses at the national level were to shape responses at the state and provincial level of the U.S. and Canada, respectively, as well as the response of the public. By the beginning of July 2020, the impact of these divergent responses was already visible, with Canada’s death rate just 60 percent of the American rate. As Canada’s more stringent public health measures—which included larger and stricter stay-at-home orders, closure of restaurants, gyms, and other businesses, curfews, and limits on public gatherings—took effect, the gap between the two countries widened even more. By October 2020, the per capita death rate in Canada had dropped to just 40 percent of the rate in the U.S."

https://time.com/6180309/covid-19-us-canada-differences/

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The U.S. Failed Miserably on COVID-19. Canada Shows It Didn’t Have to Be That Way

"In comparing the two countries, the starting point must be the different response at the highest levels of government. In Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stated in March 2020, “I’m going to make sure that we continue to follow all the recommendations of public health officers particularly around stay-at-home whenever possible and self-isolation and social distancing”. This message was reinforced by Dr. Teresa Tam, Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer, who in March delivered a message urging solidarity, declaring “We need to act now, and act together.”

In the U.S., President Trump in striking contrast declared that he would not be wearing a mask, saying “I don’t think I will be doing it…I just don’t see it”. And instead of reinforcing the messages of Dr. Anthony Fauci and other leading public health officials, Trump actively undermined them, declaring in reference to stay-at-home orders in some states, “I think elements of what they’ve done are just too tough.” Not content with undercutting his top public health advisers, President Trump further undermined public confidence in science by suggesting “cures” for COVID-19, including at one point ingesting bleach and taking hydroxychloroquine, a drug that research confirmed had no efficacy as a COVD-19 treatment.


These divergent responses at the national level were to shape responses at the state and provincial level of the U.S. and Canada, respectively, as well as the response of the public. By the beginning of July 2020, the impact of these divergent responses was already visible, with Canada’s death rate just 60 percent of the American rate. As Canada’s more stringent public health measures—which included larger and stricter stay-at-home orders, closure of restaurants, gyms, and other businesses, curfews, and limits on public gatherings—took effect, the gap between the two countries widened even more. By October 2020, the per capita death rate in Canada had dropped to just 40 percent of the rate in the U.S."

https://time.com/6180309/covid-19-us-canada-differences/

Not disputing that…

That doesn’t negate the fact that thousands of seniors across Canada suffered abuse, neglect, and loss of dignity, at federally owned personal care homes. And hundreds died because of that abuse and neglect. You should really look up the horror stories of those care homes all across Canada. People laying in feces for days, unbathed, malnourished, just disgusting stuff. But hey gotta make money for your pensions. Both provincial and federal governments are to blame. Hundreds of preventable deaths.

[whatnext]

Stephen Harper being unexpectedly vehement and not holding back on keeping Canada independent:

'Any level of damage': How far Stephen Harper would go to keep an independent Canada
'I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed, if that was the option we’re facing,' the former prime minister reportedly said
Author of the article: Tyler Dawson

Stephen Harper told a crowd in Ottawa Tuesday that if he were still prime minister, he would accept “any level of damage” to Canada, rather than see it join the United States as the 51st state.

“I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed, if that was the option we’re facing,” Harper said.

The former prime minister was speaking before an invitation-only crowd to promote his new book, Flags of Canada, about the history of the Canadian flag. But, given the drama of Donald Trump’s tariff threats against Canada and his now-repeated musings about Canada becoming the 51st state, Harper couldn’t avoid touching on current affairs, according to a report in the Toronto Star….

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/any...r-would-go-to-keep-an-independent-canada

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

For example, COVID restrictions were more lenient in Canada than most European countries, but we are going to compare ourselves to a country that had the highest fatality rate, of all 1st World nations, by far?

That is completely untrue. Sweden had almost no restrictions. Most Eastern Europe states dropped restrictions after the first wave in 2020. The UK dropped restrictions a year before we did.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Not disputing that…

That doesn’t negate the fact that thousands of seniors across Canada suffered abuse, neglect, and loss of dignity, at federally owned personal care homes. And hundreds died because of that abuse and neglect. You should really look up the horror stories of those care homes all across Canada. People laying in feces for days, unbathed, malnourished, just disgusting stuff. But hey gotta make money for your pensions. Both provincial and federal governments are to blame. Hundreds of preventable deaths.

The federal government doesn’t own any seniors homes.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by acottawa

That is completely untrue. Sweden had almost no restrictions. Most Eastern Europe states dropped restrictions after the first wave in 2020. The UK dropped restrictions a year before we did.

You may want to look up the definition of "most." Sweden was the exception. Unsure about Eastern Europe, but Western and Central Europe had strict COVID restrictions. And that is not even mentioning the COVID restrictions in places like China, Korea and Japan.

In fairness, I lived in Alberta, where the restrictions were less severe than everywhere else, and were lifted in July 2021.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Stephen Harper being unexpectedly vehement and not holding back on keeping Canada independent:

'Any level of damage': How far Stephen Harper would go to keep an independent Canada
'I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed, if that was the option we’re facing,' the former prime minister reportedly said
Author of the article: Tyler Dawson

Stephen Harper told a crowd in Ottawa Tuesday that if he were still prime minister, he would accept “any level of damage” to Canada, rather than see it join the United States as the 51st state.

“I would be prepared to impoverish the country and not be annexed, if that was the option we’re facing,” Harper said.

The former prime minister was speaking before an invitation-only crowd to promote his new book, Flags of Canada, about the history of the Canadian flag. But, given the drama of Donald Trump’s tariff threats against Canada and his now-repeated musings about Canada becoming the 51st state, Harper couldn’t avoid touching on current affairs, according to a report in the Toronto Star….

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/any...r-would-go-to-keep-an-independent-canada

Well it is not too late to replace Poilievre with Harper. He is still only 65, and has a history of winning elections. Personally, I don't think PP can win the election. He is one of the most repulsive leaders of any political party in recent memory. It should be noted that he is tone deaf, in regards to handling the threats by Trump.

The election was his to lose. All he really had to do, is say "vote for me, and I will build up the military" or something to counter Trump. Instead, all he does is rant on about the carbon tax, or emulate Trump's campaign, which is a sure fire way to lose an election, considering how unpopular Trump is outside of the United States.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by acottawa

The border restrictions also applied to flights to third countries that didn’t have travel restrictions. Federal employees were required to wear masks at work until 2023. Masking was also mandatory in trains and planes until October 2022, months or years after other jurisdictions abandoned the practice.

For federal employees it depended on the department you worked for. Starting in the Spring of 2022 we didn't have to wear masks at our desks but still had to when walking around. We were supposed to wear them for meetings but most people took them off once seated at them. Masks were no longer required at all by the Fall of 2022.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

You may want to look up the definition of "most." Sweden was the exception. Unsure about Eastern Europe, but Western and Central Europe had strict COVID restrictions. And that is not even mentioning the COVID restrictions in places like China, Korea and Japan.

In fairness, I lived in Alberta, where the restrictions were less severe than everywhere else, and were lifted in July 2021.

Toronto and Montréal I believe had the longest and strictest COVID restrictions of any major cities in the world.

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The election was his to lose. All he really had to do, is say "vote for me, and I will build up the military" or something to counter Trump. Instead, all he does is rant on about the carbon tax, or emulate Trump's campaign, which is a sure fire way to lose an election, considering how unpopular Trump is outside of the United States.

Yeah, I listen to the radio all day, and I've noticed he's managed to pivot a bit in the face of the Carney threat.... and frankly it reeks of desperation. He's trying his best to link Carney to Trudeau and going back to the nickname attacks, which I'm pretty sure are going to backfire since those are common tactics for the Felon down south.

At the same time the local news mentioned how PP had a double digit lead in the polls, and how the lead as "decreased significantly."

Also noticed that the Felon is continuing to say "Governor Trudeau." I would love for people to start referring to the Felon as "Premier Felon" in response (I refuse to use his name). Some of the Liberal Leadership Candidates have a great opportunity to do this type of jab for free (politically speaking).

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by acottawa

The federal government doesn’t own any seniors homes.

Jesus Christ. They are owned by the federal employees pension program. That’s a crown Corp. THE FEDS OWN THEM.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Jesus Christ. They are owned by the federal employees pension program. That’s a crown Corp. THE FEDS OWN THEM.

You don't seem to understand what a Crown Corporation is. Nor do you seem to understand how to investment relationships work.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Well it is not too late to replace Poilievre with Harper. He is still only 65, and has a history of winning elections. Personally, I don't think PP can win the election. He is one of the most repulsive leaders of any political party in recent memory. It should be noted that he is tone deaf, in regards to handling the threats by Trump.

The election was his to lose. All he really had to do, is say "vote for me, and I will build up the military" or something to counter Trump. Instead, all he does is rant on about the carbon tax, or emulate Trump's campaign, which is a sure fire way to lose an election, considering how unpopular Trump is outside of the United States.

Harper is a big part of why our military has rusted out substantially. He basically did what Chretien did: tried to fight a war burning down Cold War legacy stock and keep investment to a minimum, to fund his tax cuts.

That said, the only way I'd actually vote CPC in the next election, is with somebody like Harper at the top. Poilievre is just a conservative version of Trudeau to me. A different flavour of pandering populist.

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Toronto and Montréal I believe had the longest and strictest COVID restrictions of any major cities in the world.

Australia was more extreme; there were periods when people were unable to have visitors, and couldn't travel more than five kilometres from home. In China, people were famously confined to their homes for months at a time. So Toronto certainly had business closures longer than most of North America, but it wasn't the strictest in the world.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

Australia was more extreme; there were periods when people were unable to have visitors, and couldn't travel more than five kilometres from home. In China, people were famously confined to their homes for months at a time. So Toronto certainly had business closures longer than most of North America, but it wasn't the strictest in the world.

In Quebec for a time we weren't allowed to travel outside of our regions, with police checkpoints. We also had curfews - one of the only places in the world that had them.

Anyway, I don't think the overall point is to measure exactly the harshness of anti-COVID measures in Canada versus every other country.

We can safely say that those in Canada were among the strictest and longest-lasting in the world. (Moreso than in the US, which is where this comparative discussion started.)

And BTW, I don't actually think that the reason we did this in Canada was because of some authoritarian streak in our governments. I think it's because of a huge worry that our already fragile healthcare system would undergo a total collapse.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Acajack

In Quebec for a time we weren't allowed to travel outside of our regions, with police checkpoints. We also had curfews - one of the only places in the world that had them.

Anyway, I don't think the overall point is to measure exactly the harshness of anti-COVID measures in Canada versus every other country.

We can safely say that those in Canada were among the strictest and longest-lasting in the world. (Moreso than in the US, which is where this comparative discussion started.)

And BTW, I don't actually think that the reason we did this in Canada was because of some authoritarian streak in our governments. I think it's because of a huge worry that our already fragile healthcare system would undergo a total collapse.

Especially after what happened in Italy

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Jesus Christ. They are owned by the federal employees pension program. That’s a crown Corp. THE FEDS OWN THEM.

So you want the Feds to actively manage pension fund portfolios? That is very communist. Currently the board is required to “Invest its assets with a view to achieving a maximum rate of return, without undue risk of loss, having regard to the funding, policies and requirements of the Plans and the ability of the Plans to meet their financial obligations.”