Canadian Federal Election - Page 49

drew · #**961** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

You'll do everything you can to avoid talking about the uncomfortable fact that the USA has better primary care access than Canada. If our numbers are actually lower than theirs, what's happening to the Canadians that don't have primary care access - are they just dying?

We're not talking about 0.1%ers. The average person in Canada without a family doctor can't afford to go the the USA to seek medical care. Our system prioritizes the old and sick - which is fine, it's a rationed system. But the system is so stretched now that a lot of young people are simply unable to access it until they get diagnosed with some late stage disease in an emergency. Hence why they wouldn't miss it.

Who doesn't have a family doctor in Canada?

I don't know anyone currently living under that scenario.

Acajack · #**962** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

Who doesn't have a family doctor in Canada?

I don't know anyone currently living under that scenario.

Seriously? One in five Canadians doesn't have a family doctor.

That's like 6-7 million people.

It's a huge problem.

Dengler Avenue · #**963** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

Who doesn't have a family doctor in Canada?

I don't know anyone currently living under that scenario.

I don’t. How echo-chambered are you…

Acajack · #**964** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:32 PM**

In the context of discussions about Canadian resistance/insurrection to an American takeover, it might be interesting to have some polling on that.

I mean, most of the polls have so far been binary YES-NO questions.

I wonder how many Canadians would answer yes to something like "Definitely not my preferred option, but I could live with it".

WarrenC12 · #**965** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Seriously? One in five Canadians doesn't have a family doctor.

That's like 6-7 million people.

It's a huge problem.

So, not the average person?

How many of those people are actively looking for one. As I said earlier, I've had my pick of family doctors for years. Never had trouble finding one, of course I didn't bother looking until I was in my late 30s.

WarrenC12 · #**966** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I wonder how many Canadians would answer yes to something like "Definitely not my preferred option, but I could live with it".

That's too wishy washy. What's the alternative?

Acajack · #**967** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So, not the average person?

How many of those people are actively looking for one. As I said earlier, I've had my pick of family doctors for years. Never had trouble finding one, of course I didn't bother looking until I was in my late 30s.

As Dengler said, Holy Echo Chambers, Batman.

jonny24 · #**968** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So, not the average person?

How many of those people are actively looking for one. As I said earlier, I've had my pick of family doctors for years. Never had trouble finding one, of course I didn't bother looking until I was in my late 30s.

It's more than the number of people who voted for our government in the 2021 election.

theman23 · #**969** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So, not the average person?

How many of those people are actively looking for one. As I said earlier, I've had my pick of family doctors for years. Never had trouble finding one, of course I didn't bother looking until I was in my late 30s.

Reading is important. I said the average person in Canada without a family doctor can't afford to go the USA, not that the average person in Canada does not have a family doctor.

My anecdote of waiting for 6 years for a GP cancels out yours. However, the evidence is on my side - we have the worst access to primary care amongst our peers (and hence medical care, since primary care is the gateway).

drew · #**970** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I don’t. How echo-chambered are you…

This blows my mind honestly.

Not echo-chambered in the least, and it's never been an issue for anyone I have known - ever. It's possible that people I know don't have a doctor - but I really doubt it.

Maybe it's a function of where people live. You could move to Winnipeg and have a family doctor tomorrow.

trueviking · #**971** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by jamincan

Trump also can't set up tariffs with an executive order except in situation where there is a threat to the United States. We're appointing a Fentanyl Czar, so where's the threat?

These are unprecedented times in the US and it is becoming clear that the executive is trying its outmost to sideline the legistlative branch. He has already done a lot of stuff that he "can't do" and the only push back he's received is relatively weak blustre.

pretty big difference between getting a country to call someone a czar and undertaking a military invasion and long-term occupation.

theman23 · #**972** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

This blows my mind honestly.

Not echo-chambered in the least, and it's never been an issue for anyone I have known - ever. It's possible that people I know don't have a doctor - but I really doubt it.

Maybe it's a function of where people live. You could move to Winnipeg and have a family doctor tomorrow.

Manitoba has the lowest per capita number of family doctors in the country, so either things are really really really bad in the sticks and drawing down the average or you're living in a bit of a bubble.

trueviking · #**973** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by jonny24

Both leaders of the nations involved are discussing it, but we can't?

Dismissing, downplaying, or suppressing this conversation seems highly suspicious.

suspicious?

Its a ridiculous discussion, not worth the time....he's playing us.

drew · #**974** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

Manitoba has the lowest per capita number of family doctors in the country, so either things are really really really bad in the sticks and drawing down the average or you're living in a bit of a bubble.

Stats are stats - but the clinic literally 3 blocks away from my house is accepting patients for family doctors.

A lot of Manitoba stats are a bit skewed due to remote communities - but you would have no issue in Winnipeg.

WarrenC12 · #**975** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

Reading is important. I said the average person in Canada without a family doctor can't afford to go the USA, not that the average person in Canada does not have a family doctor.

My anecdote of waiting for 6 years for a GP cancels out yours. However, the evidence is on my side - we have the worst access to primary care amongst our peers (and hence medical care, since primary care is the gateway).

You have a single focus of what makes a good medical system. That seems to be biased and probably because you work closely in that area. I don't know what to tell you.

I'll give you the name of a GP accepting patients in Vancouver today.

trueviking · #**976** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

New Mainstreet Federal Poll (Ontario only)
Feb 8-10th (1303 respondents)

LPC= 45%
CPC= 37%
NDP= 12%
GREEN= 4%
PPC= 1%
Others= 1%

https://x.com/CanadianPolling/status/1889380629990744451

This must be a fake poll....didn't everyone in Ontario hear that Poilievre is going to eliminate foreign aid to increase military spending? CANADA FIRST!

theman23 · #**977** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 7:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You have a single focus of what makes a good medical system. That seems to be biased and probably because you work closely in that area. I don't know what to tell you.

I'll give you the name of a GP accepting patients in Vancouver today.

I'm focusing on it because it's the point I've been making - many young people cannot even access health care, so there's really no benefit for them to stay in the Canadian public health care system.

And what would you describe as the strength of a public health care system that cannot provide access? It seems like the whole point of removing the financial burden of health care is to improve access, but our system struggles with that. What metric do you propose instead?

Sure, send me a PM.

YOWetal · #**978** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 8:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

I'm focusing on it because it's the point I've been making - many young people cannot even access health care, so there's really no benefit for them to stay in the Canadian public health care system.

And what would you describe as the strength of a public health care system that cannot provide access? It seems like the whole point of removing the financial burden of health care is to improve access, but our system struggles with that. What metric do you propose instead?

Sure, send me a PM.

A family doctor isn't necessary for access in Canada. You can go to the ER for anything urgent or even not urgent though you will wait. If you have a heart palpitation or a rash you can get referred to a Cardiologist or a dermatologist at a walk in clinic. You can also get a prescription for a bunch of common minor ailments like urinary tract infections at a pharmacist.

It's not perfect but the idea young people have better access to healthcare in the US is laughable.

Acajack · #**979** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by YOWetal

A family doctor isn't necessary for access in Canada. You can go to the ER for anything urgent or even not urgent though you will wait. If you have a heart palpitation or a rash you can get referred to a Cardiologist or a dermatologist at a walk in clinic. You can also get a prescription for a bunch of common minor ailments like urinary tract infections at a pharmacist.

It's not perfect but the idea young people have better access to healthcare in the US is laughable.

But this isn't as inconsequential as people are making it out to be.

The reason that hospital ER wait times are often shockingly and inhumanely long is justement because so many people don't have family doctors and go to the ER for relatively minor stuff that has no business being brought there.

Dengler Avenue · #**980** Posted **Feb 11, 2025, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

But this isn't as inconsequential as people are making it out to be.

The reason that hospital ER wait times are often shockingly and inhumanely long is justement because so many people don't have family doctors and go to the ER for relatively minor stuff that has no business being brought there.

It doesn’t help when supposedly walk-in clinics also require booking appointments (which defeats the whole purpose of walk-in).