Canadian Federal Election

[trueviking]

ludicrous discussion about American military invasion of Canada. That is not the President's call and there is zero chance of it being passed by other levels of government....there would be no way for the United States to hold and govern a major first world nation against their will.

Its just as ludicrous to talk about the 51st state idea...that can and never would happen....who would be paying to transfer the wealth and investments of the ninth largest economy on the globe into US dollars as an example.....or are we all just taking a 35% cut in our wealth?......there are so many reasons why it could never happen, it's not worth spending two seconds thinking about.

[harls]

Originally Posted by lio45

Netflix-addicted North American Anglos from the 51st State would not have anywhere near “their backs against the wall”, that’s where your disagreement with Acajack (and me) lies on this one.

How did you know I was addicted to Netflix!

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by lio45

Netflix-addicted North American Anglos from the 51st State would not have anywhere near “their backs against the wall”, that’s where your disagreement with Acajack (and me) lies on this one.

Not one of your better posts.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by trueviking

ludicrous discussion about American military invasion of Canada. That is not the President's call and there is zero chance of it being passed by other levels of government....there would be no way for the United States to hold and govern a major first world nation against their will.

Its just as ludicrous to talk about the 51st state idea...that can and never would happen....who would be paying to transfer the wealth and investments of the ninth largest economy on the globe into US dollars as an example.....or are we all just taking a 35% cut in our wealth?......there are so many reasons why it could never happen, it's not worth spending two seconds thinking about.

It's only worth discussing because Donald Trump is an insane megalomaniac with near unfettered power.

Only Congress can declare war, but, the Mad King could declare a special police action and send in the troops. The US has not declared war since WW2. Not for Korea, Not for Viet Nam, not for Iraq (x2) and not for Afghanistan. Why should Canada be different?

[trueviking]

^ but then what? How does he set up a new government and new financial system, medical system and everything else through executive order? How does he occupy and control every city to ensure military control of 41 million people....its a ludicrous discussion.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by trueviking

ludicrous discussion about American military invasion of Canada. That is not the President's call and there is zero chance of it being passed by other levels of government....there would be no way for the United States to hold and govern a major first world nation against their will.

Its just as ludicrous to talk about the 51st state idea...that can and never would happen....who would be paying to transfer the wealth and investments of the ninth largest economy on the globe into US dollars as an example.....or are we all just taking a 35% cut in our wealth?......there are so many reasons why it could never happen, it's not worth spending two seconds thinking about.

Both leaders of the nations involved are discussing it, but we can't?

Dismissing, downplaying, or suppressing this conversation seems highly suspicious.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ but then what? How does he set up a new government and new financial system, medical system and everything else through executive order? How does he occupy and control every city to ensure military control of 41 million people....its a ludicrous discussion.

I agree it is a waste of time to discuss and belongs in a fantasy thread.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by lio45

I almost added that to my post (that even the most hardcore Quebec sovereigntist nowadays doesn’t engage in sabotage against the occupying forces of our more powerful Anglo-Canadian neighbors).

It’s not the world we live in anymore.

Isn’t Florida the world you live in?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ but then what? How does he set up a new government and new financial system, medical system and everything else through executive order? How does he occupy and control every city to ensure military control of 41 million people....its a ludicrous discussion.

We're talking Donald Trump here. Do you really think he cares about all that????

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

You are playing the victim even before the fact!

Nobody would ever dream of screaming at you about Le Pen and the RN being nazis. Why would they? Ask yourself: what would be their motivation to scream at you? ....unless maybe you had a history of minimizing or otherwise making excuses for attitudes and behaviors that are commonly construed as...well, sort of connected to attitudes and behaviors that have been associated with Nazism? I can't think of any other reason why people on SSP would scream at you.

What if I said that Le Pen and the RN aren't in fact literal Nazis (in response to constant allegations that they are), pointing out real stuff the Nazis actually did? (And that Marine and company have not done nor are proposing to do?)

People can be horrible and even unsuitable for leadership without being literally as bad as Nazis. There is lots of daylight and darkness between "great" and "Nazi".

I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by jonny24

Both leaders of the nations involved are discussing it, but we can't?

Dismissing, downplaying, or suppressing this conversation seems highly suspicious.

Trump has an endless stream of verbal diarrhea and Canadian leaders are saying "fat chance of a Canadian takeover by America"

There's nothing suppressing about a preposterous MAGA fever dream idea.

Like this nonsense from a member of Congress from Georgia

Originally Posted by giallo

Bill to authorize the President to enter into negotiations to acquire Greenland and to rename Greenland as "Red, White, and Blueland".

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-cong...%22search%22%3A%22H.r.1161%22%7D&s=1&r=9


I feel like I'm living in a simulation. This can't be real life.

Trump's Presidency is a firehose of toxic bluster and ego to overwhelm the press/media, while some really awful stuff is happening to the USA and its institutions under the guise of cutting government waste.

We, Canadians should be worried about tariffs and a trade war, not a complete takeover by USA.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by acottawa

As I said on the other thread, you can expect large scale sabotage across the U.S.

That would come with an accompanying crackdown, police state, martial law, etc.

I don't know why people seem to think the Americans would just sit back in shock like hapless lambs and let this happen to them.

Note also that technological means to find and neutralize disruptors have evolved greatly since the era of The Troubles in Northern Ireland.

And who has the best tech for this?

Again, it's all speculative fantasy but there is some reality that can be injected into the discussion.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

"Added financial barrier" = death or bankruptcy for a lot of people. It's not an extra $20 to see the doctor we're talking about here.

If you have the money in Canada, you can see whatever doctor you want. In the US.

You'll do everything you can to avoid talking about the uncomfortable fact that the USA has better primary care access than Canada. If our numbers are actually lower than theirs, what's happening to the Canadians that don't have primary care access - are they just dying?

We're not talking about 0.1%ers. The average person in Canada without a family doctor can't afford to go the the USA to seek medical care. Our system prioritizes the old and sick - which is fine, it's a rationed system. But the system is so stretched now that a lot of young people are simply unable to access it until they get diagnosed with some late stage disease in an emergency. Hence why they wouldn't miss it.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Acajack

That would come with an accompanying crackdown, police state, martial law, etc.

I don't know why people seem to think the Americans would just sit back in shock like hapless lambs and let this happen to them.

I don't think this is wrong but there's an economic and quality of life cost to crackdowns of this nature and Americans would react negatively to this cost associated with an action they by and large don't support in the first place.

To me it's almost a "what if PEI were its own country" discussion in that the sort of country that could implement a plan like this just isn't the USA of today, with an elected president who won by a thin margin. And talk of how well American jets and tanks and the CIA would do in this scenario is kind of like the point about PEI losing equalization payments. It's 95% contingencies and unknowns and the military and police angle is 5%.

Canada resisting is similar. It all depends on what ends up happening. If there were major mishaps and pains felt by the population here it would explode quickly. The scenario where Americans are all on board under Trump and suddenly successfully execute a flawless plan to take over Canada is vanishingly unlikely.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by theman23

You'll do everything you can to avoid talking about the uncomfortable fact that the USA has better primary care access than Canada. If our numbers are actually lower than theirs, what's happening to the Canadians that don't have primary care access - are they just dying?

We're not talking about 0.1%ers. The average person in Canada without a family doctor can't afford to go the the USA to seek medical care. Our system prioritizes the old and sick - which is fine, it's a rationed system. But the system is so stretched now that a lot of young people are simply unable to access it until they get diagnosed with some late stage disease in an emergency. Hence why they wouldn't miss it.

You're trying to pigeonhole the argument around healthcare and who has the better system focusing only on primary care. Which is where you work, is it not?

The US absolutely has better healthcare access and outcomes, if you can afford it. That doesn't even mean if you have insurance, because those companies enjoy nothing more than denying claims for their longtime ratepaying customers.

Is Canada perfect? No. But it's far cheaper overall, and our outcomes (life expectancy, lack of medical bankruptcies) are arguably better.

[travis3000]

New Mainstreet Federal Poll (Ontario only)
Feb 8-10th (1303 respondents)

LPC= 45%
CPC= 37%
NDP= 12%
GREEN= 4%
PPC= 1%
Others= 1%

https://x.com/CanadianPolling/status/1889380629990744451

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ but then what? How does he set up a new government and new financial system, medical system and everything else through executive order? How does he occupy and control every city to ensure military control of 41 million people....its a ludicrous discussion.

Trump also can't set up tariffs with an executive order except in situation where there is a threat to the United States. We're appointing a Fentanyl Czar, so where's the threat?

These are unprecedented times in the US and it is becoming clear that the executive is trying its outmost to sideline the legistlative branch. He has already done a lot of stuff that he "can't do" and the only push back he's received is relatively weak blustre.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You're trying to pigeonhole the argument around healthcare and who has the better system focusing only on primary care. Which is where you work, is it not?

The US absolutely has better healthcare access and outcomes, if you can afford it. That doesn't even mean if you have insurance, because those companies enjoy nothing more than denying claims for their longtime ratepaying customers.

Is Canada perfect? No. But it's far cheaper overall, and our outcomes (life expectancy, lack of medical bankruptcies) are arguably better.

I see the downstream effects of our crumbling primary care system every single day. Primary care needs to be the backbone of any rationed system and is the gateway to accessing health care. If someone cannot access primary care in Canada, they cannot access any other level of care. And if you think secondary or tertiary care is better here...oh boy. I guess everyone finds out some day. Hallway medicine is a thing in some US hospitals, but Canada takes it to the next level.

The point is simple and related to the post I was originally responding to - Canadian health care is more of a push factor than a pull factor for young people.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by someone123

I don't think this is wrong but there's an economic and quality of life cost to crackdowns of this nature and Americans would react negatively to this cost associated with an action they by and large don't support in the first place.

To me it's almost a "what if PEI were its own country" discussion in that the sort of country that could implement a plan like this just isn't the USA of today, with an elected president who won by a thin margin. And talk of how well American jets and tanks and the CIA would do in this scenario is kind of like the point about PEI losing equalization payments. It's 95% contingencies and unknowns and the military and police angle is 5%.

Canada resisting is similar. It all depends on what ends up happening. If there were major mishaps and pains felt by the population here it would explode quickly. The scenario where Americans are all on board under Trump and suddenly successfully execute a flawless plan to take over Canada is vanishingly unlikely.

Of course.

On parle pour parler.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by harls

You can't possibly know what people would do with their backs against the wall.

I thought you, being French, would know that.

I'm French?

Where is my EU passport then?

And not getting this point. Can you explain?