Canadian Federal Election

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hecate

I’m sure those pictures of mark carney partying with Ghislaine Maxwell are making their rounds on tik tok

I doubt it. Trump was tight with both Maxwell and Epstein, and it did not affect him.

[MolsonExport]

Non scientific SSP poll (morning of Feb 9, 2025) predicts a landslide:

80 (Carney) > 40 (PP)

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hecate

It’s called resentment… that’s usually what happens when you fuck someone over… and the young people are full of it. Amazing how educated people can’t grasp that simple concept.

I’ll bite. How were young people fucked over for the last ten years? Specific policy that didn’t exist previously.

I would understand a young person looking to the NDP but thinking the conservatives care about young people shows a lack of understanding about what they stand for. The attack dog, sound bite strategy has likely resonated on social media for that generation.

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by Hecate

If those were pictures of Pierre chillin’ with Ghislaine you’d be losing your shit.

Admit it. Can you?

If Pierre was photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell this thread would be on fire right now. Even if the circumstances of said photo were identical to Mark Carney's.

I'm not bothered by the photos for the reason Molson described. But I very much doubt we'd be discussing it with the same degree of level-headedness if it were Pierre in those pictures.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Non scientific SSP poll (morning of Feb 9, 2025) predicts a landslide:

80 (Carney) > 40 (PP)

Would have been good if the Mods added the other party options.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

If Pierre was photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell this thread would be on fire right now. Even if the circumstances of said photo were identical to Mark Carney's.

I'm not bothered by the photos for the reason Molson described. But I very much doubt we'd be discussing it with the same degree of level-headedness if it were Pierre in those pictures.

Yes the double standard is glaring. It's why sometimes I wonder if Canada can keep MAGA at bay forever given this level of delusion.

[trueviking]

you guys know those photos are fake, right? They are not even good fakes. Posted to twitter by guys with a bunch random numbers behind their name, pushed by True North and other alt right web sites.

The double standard is that Liberals are smarter than to fall for that.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hecate

How was making housing costs astronomical and ruining the hopes and dreams of younger generations for the betterment of the country? Talk about selfish political gains. Great government.

yeah, because housing costs have only been going up under the current government....here's a chart that ends when they took over....it's basically been a straight line since the turn of the century to today....other that whining about it, the conservatives haven't issued a single realistic policy idea to change it, and if you believe that conservatives are the ones who will actively reduce housing wealth in Canada, I am not sure what to tell you.

[Hecate]

The photos printed in the sun article are not fakes.

Yes there are fake photos of mark and Ghislaine. This doesn’t help the situation.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by trueviking

yeah, because housing costs have only been going up under the current government....here's a chart that ends when they took over....it's basically been a straight line since the turn of the century to today....other that whining about it, the conservatives haven't issued a single realistic policy idea to change it, and if you believe that conservatives are the ones who will actively reduce housing wealth in Canada, I am not sure what to tell you.

lol. Do you think young people haven’t had their dreams dashed. They’re making the same money as their parents were thirty years ago and paying more in rent than their parents ever paid in mortgages. Please.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Hecate

lol. Do you think young people haven’t had their dreams dashed. They’re making the same money as their parents were thirty years ago and paying more in rent than their parents ever paid in mortgages. Please.

Even if this was true as the chart shows it's basically a consistent trend and the nearly the same track in New Zealand and Australia show it's an Anglo American paradigm.

Housing is certainly more expensive compared to incomes but almost everything else is cheaper. Live like your parents and you'll save for a house in no time. Once the gatekeepers are taken away who is going to be the new reason people's lives are failing? I suspect like the UK the honeymoon will be very short for a new government.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Hecate

The photos printed in the sun article are not fakes.

Yes there are fake photos of mark and Ghislaine. This doesn’t help the situation.

There was a 3-day music festival called the Wilderness Festival in 2013 in the UK. It was at an Oxfordshire estate called Cornbury Hall, owned by Lord and Lady Rotherwick. Among those who attended on August 10th were the newly appointed Governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, who was there with his wife and daughters.

It wasn't totally surprising, as at the time Lady Rotherwick (Tania) was Mark Carney's sister-in-law - he married her sister, Diana Fox. (She's still his sister-in-law, but separated from Lord Rotherwick around 2015). His attendence was noted in an article in the London Standard, that said the festival's nickname was 'Poshstock'.

Ghislaine Maxwell was at school with Tania Fox, and had been brought up at another Oxfordshire estate, Headington Hill Hall. In 2013, in the UK, she was known as a socialite, who spent more time in the US than the UK, following the death of her controversial press tycoon father, Robert Maxwell, in 1991. It isn't at all surprising that she was at the same music festival.

Jeffrey Epstein had been convicted in a Florida state court in 2008 of procuring a child for prostitution and of soliciting a prostitute. Ghislaine Maxwell's role in his illegal activities were not known in public, and had not been published in any publication, in 2013.

It wasn't until 2015 when 'Jane Doe' claimed that Maxwell recruited her on behalf of Epstein when she was a 16-year-old spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, where Epstein had a home. (Yes, that Mar-a-Lago. Trump and Epstein had an extensive history). Jane Doe was identified as Virginia Roberts Giuffre in 2018. A number of women subsequently came forward, identifying Maxwell's involvement in procurement of underage girls for Epstein.

So Mark Carney wouldn't have known anything about Ghislaine Maxwell's involvement with anything illegal in 2013. He just happened to be at a music festival that she also attended.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Jeffrey Epstein had been convicted in a Florida state court in 2008 of procuring a child for prostitution and of soliciting a prostitute. Ghislaine Maxwell's role in his illegal activities were not known in public, and had not been published in any publication, in 2013.

It wasn't until 2015 when 'Jane Doe' claimed that Maxwell recruited her on behalf of Epstein when she was a 16-year-old spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, where Epstein had a home. (Yes, that Mar-a-Lago. Trump and Epstein had an extensive history). Jane Doe was identified as Virginia Roberts Giuffre in 2018. A number of women subsequently came forward, identifying Maxwell's involvement in procurement of underage girls for Epstein.

So Mark Carney wouldn't have known anything about Ghislaine Maxwell's involvement with anything illegal in 2013. He just happened to be at a music festival that she also attended.

She had been a well-known friend, associate, helicopter pilot and occasional lover of Epstein for decades.

Plausibly he was a fresh off the boat rube from the colonies who didn’t understand how British or American social circles worked.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Live like your parents and you'll save for a house in no time.

Boomer statements like this are the exact reason young people support the Tories.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Boomer statements like this are the exact reason young people support the Tories.

Spending cuts and tax cuts for boomers will surely help them get into the market.

Maybe if PP loses the 65+ vote enough he will actually follow through with some generational fairness. Cut OAS. Keep the CCB. But I doubt it.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Live like your parents and you'll save for a house in no time.

Which part of living like my parents should I emulate? The part where they lived on a single entry-level income while the other went to school, and bought a detached house in central Toronto?

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Which part of living like my parents should I emulate? The part where they lived on a single entry-level income while the other went to school, and bought a detached house in central Toronto?

The part where you don't travel until you're 30 and eat out twice a year. But you had rich parents. Mine didn't get a career till they were 35 as there weren't any.

A friends younger brother is a teacher friend and bought a central attached Toronto house on one income in 2017. Dude still has a Flipphone. Rented a room for $500 and paid off student loans in 18 months and saved $25k a year for 6 years after that to buy a house at 30ish (I think he had some big stock wins too but still)

If you think getting rid of the gatekeepers is going to help I'm glad you are supporting the Cons so us rich folks can save on our capital gains. (Though I am kind of pissed I triggered some before last June's deadline for nothing)

I mean we need a Conservative government and it's clear now Carney is going to be only a minor course correction so insufficient But I just find the generational arguments ridiculous.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

The part where you don't travel until you're 30 and eat out twice a year. But you had rich parents. Mine didn't get a career till they were 35 as there weren't any.

A friends younger brother is a teacher friend and bought a central attached Toronto house on one income in 2017. Dude still has a Flipphone. Rented a room for $500 and paid off student loans in 18 months and saved $25k a year for 6 years after that to buy a house at 30ish (I think he had some big stock wins too but still)

If you think getting rid of the gatekeepers is going to help I'm glad you are supporting the Cons so us rich folks can save on our capital gains. (Though I am kind of pissed I triggered some before last June's deadline for nothing)

I mean we need a Conservative government and it's clear now Carney is going to be only a minor course correction so insufficient But I just find the generational arguments ridiculous.

Never understood this. It was obvious from the outset that this tax was not going to last very long. I guess the Liberals got a one-time windfall of a few billion from the panic sellers. Don't feel too bad, think of it as prepaying for your GST over the "tax holiday".

Anyhow 2017 was 8 years ago. Your then 30-something year old friend is probably over 40 now, and the upcoming 30 somethings are buying a 1BR condo in central Toronto for the same price.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by acottawa

She had been a well-known friend, associate, helicopter pilot and occasional lover of Epstein for decades.

Plausibly he was a fresh off the boat rube from the colonies who didn’t understand how British or American social circles worked.

Her association and involvement with Epstein was reported, but not particularly widely. It became much more widely known after the subsequent court cases, and more detailed reporting once the royal connection to Prince Andrew started to interest the tabloid press. She wasn't in hiding or even out of the public eye in the US - for example, in 2013 "Dom Perignon & Ghislaine Maxwell Invite you to a cocktail reception Celebrating the launch of Ideapod"

Accepting an invitation to a private event that she hosted would perhaps have been unwise (although the President of Iceland and his wife didn't seem to care). The picture from the Music Festival isn't the same. They were both there - Carney with his wife and daughters - and presumably his wife would have known who Maxwell was. The fact that Carney and Maxwell attended the event isn't disputed. But implying that showed poor judgement on Carney's part or that there was anything other than the fact that both just happened to have been in the same field, with a few thousand other people, is classic political shit-throwing. It seems to stick to Conservative walls.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I'm pretty sure PP is a prude. No all night partying for him!

His lack of accomplishment in his parliamentary career is born from the fact he has spent most of it in opposition. And, when the Conservatives were in power, he was a cabinet minister for only a portion of the time, and had a minor portfolio. He had little opportunity to institute any earth shattering change.

Do not misconstrue these comments as an endorsement of PP BTW.

He was minister of where I work and I'd say that he was pretty ineffective. He was quite unpopular with the general public with the statements he made.