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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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Best indicator to me is how much conservatives are talking about Carney. Including on this forum. They'd ignore him if they thought he wasn't a threat.
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Pierre Poilievre is like the coach who has been diligently preparing for a championship against an opponent with all of their known elements in mind, and all of a sudden their adversary signs a new player at the last minute that will come onto the field/ice as a largely unknown quantity.

"Get me all of the video you guys have got on Carney, ASAP!!!!!!!!!"
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One would think that the Conservative Party would have some self-awareness to realise that an endorsement from Elon Musk, Donald Trump, or any of the MAGA inner circle, would be the equivalent of political suicide.

However, they have done nothing to distance themselves from them, which essentially tells you all you need to know, in regards to how out of touch they are from the average Canadian citizen.
     
     
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Carney is absolutely a threat. He is a polished, accomplished avatar of the dominant tradition in Canadian and Anglo Commonwealth governance. He is of a line that goes back to Pearson. To reject him in favour of Polievre would be to summon sub-revolutionary levels of "sick of this shit" for a leader who is a pretty uninspiring example of type.
     
     
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Pierre Poilievre is like the coach who has been diligently preparing for a championship against an opponent with all of their known elements in mind, and all of a sudden their adversary signs a new player at the last minute that will come onto the field/ice as a largely unknown quantity.

"Get me all of the video you guys have got on Carney, ASAP!!!!!!!!!"
It’s exactly like Trump vs Biden last summer: cruising to an easy victory against Trudeau/Biden and then suddenly you’re up against Carney/Harris instead.
     
     
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Negative attack ads continue to be used because they continue to work.
Pierre Poilievre was a university honour student who devoted his life to kids. Until the night a grossly overweight pervert, named Mark Carney, gave him a crash course in depravity!

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Carney is definitely more of a threat than Trudeau at this point, but I think that's saying more about Trudeau. But no way he would win a general election at this point in time.

What bugs me about Carney and these Trudeau Liberals is that he is going to be hot swapped in as PM without even being at least a member of parliament, cabinet member or even the majority of Canadians having a say in it. This is how these Trudeau Liberals roll though.

Poilievre has been campaigning basically years now and shook hundreds of thousands of hands. This is a head start that is very hard to catch up.

This feels more like, let's get Carney in here now and figure out the details later without a real choice in the matter.
     
     
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Everyone got enough of these?
     
     
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Everyone got enough of these?

For the Libs Carney fetish?
     
     
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I am scared of Canada becoming a socialist shithole like Argentina. That what people such as yourself are voting for.

Carney does not believe in free market capitalism.
Back to hyperbole and making up stuff again?

You are not changing any minds with that sort of post. You are only embarrassing yourself.
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Coletto is making some sweeping conclusions here, using 10 positions each to gauge respondents' alignment to social and economic left–right axes. For transparency, those statements are as follows:

Social
-Abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances.
-Canada is the greatest country in the world.
-It is more important to protect the right of Canadians to own guns.
-The government should deal with illegal immigration by increasing border security and enforcement.
-Transgender athletes should be able to play on sports teams that match their current gender identity.
-The government should prevent people from engaging in hate speech against certain groups in public.
-The best way to deal with drug addiction is to expand harm reduction strategies such as safe consumption sites to reduce the risks associated with drug use.
-Racism is built into our society, including into its policies and institutions.
-We need to reallocate funding from police departments to social services.
-There are still significant obstacles that make it harder for women to get ahead than men.

Economic
-Hard work and determination are no guarantee of success for most people.
-I would rather have a bigger government providing more services.
-The fact that some people in the [sic] Canada are rich and others are poor is a problem that needs to be fixed.
-Government regulation of business is necessary to protect the public interest.
-Free trade agreements have generally hurt Canadians.
-It is the responsibility of government that everybody has healthcare coverage.
-Business should always try to make as much profit as possible.
-We should raise taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year.
-It should be illegal to own more than one home in Canada.
-There should be a cap on the amount of greenhouse gas emissions the oil & gas sector can emit.

The results can be found here.

Generally, I am skeptical of any approach that breaks down issues or beliefs into discrete social and economic categories. I would argue that there is a strong economic dimension to most of the statements classified as social issues here, and even stronger social dimensions to the economic issues.

Putting this objection aside, I would also argue that the statements used here are not particularly useful at measuring the political climate in Canada at this time. Some are too broad and open to different interpretations: Do you disagree with the "greatest country" statement because you reject the idea that any country is greatest or because Canada is a genocidal colonial state or because Canada is a socialist Sodom? Do you disagree that safe injection sites are the best solution to drug addiction issues because you believe safe injection sites encourage addicts to keep using or because you think a robust healthcare system that prevents addiction in the first place would be better?

Others seem to miss the mark: A ban on owning more than one home, for example, is rather fringe in the discourse on the housing crisis. Indeed, some topics included here seem to be pulled more from the US political discourse, while many topics at the fore in the Canadian political discourse are missing (e.g., truth and reconciliation, public broadcasting, CanCon regulations, the role of the private sector in healthcare, legal immigration, childcare, supply management, minority language rights, etc.).

I am also curious how representative their sample is of the Canadian population as a whole. Like, did they even offer the survey in French?

On a broader level, I would caution against using an analysis like this as a basis or buttress for our understanding of the political landscape in Canada. Publication bias is a thing, and articles about most people agreeing on most things aren't going to get many clicks or much social media engagement.

In his analysis of the survey results, Coletto divides Canadians into four competing tribes, and I get it feels good/validating to see your team "winning". But this is—quite literally in this case—a two-dimensional understanding of a complex and evolving body politic. At the end of the day, I quite earnestly believe that (aside from a few fringe idealogues, hopeless contrarians and the terminally online) Canadians still respect each other and recognize the value of engaging/working with others despite different opinions on issues x, y or z.

Thank you for posting this and great comments.

I have a hard time landing on a clearcut answer for many of the questions.
     
     
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Back to hyperbole and making up stuff again?

You are not changing any minds with that sort of post. You are only embarrassing yourself.
The irony.
     
     
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You don't call Argentina a "shithole", please.
They won the latest World Cup, lol.
That was South Africa. Argentina lost in the semifinal to New Zealand
     
     
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That was South Africa. Argentina lost in the semifinal to New Zealand
I think you mean Australia, South Africa didn't even qualify.
     
     
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Bingo!
Probably more so because the Liberal-friendly media has been fawning over him. Am I the only one who thinks he looks strangely old for his age? Not going to win over a lot of young voters when you looks like grandpa.

Poor Chrystia. She does the necessary dirty work then gets thrown under the bus.
     
     
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PP and his handlers are having a hard time making anything stick to Carney because they are playing with and unable to adjust to a new reality. They were so hell bent on PJT running. But what is also helping the Carney group is what is happening in the States and the anti Canada stance. PP had to come out and distance himself from that style of politicking but he didn't. any response was luke warm. but then he porrets comments from the american media. I know to many people that would have voted for him reluctantly because he was not JT. but that has changed. People are looking for a reason not to vote for him. PP has to come out blistering against any Trumpisms. I can't vote for or against him since I'm not in his riding. But as a leader, he has not convinced me he could look out for what is in Canada's best interest.

Carney, I am only looking at what we have and that is his business background. But also being in charge of both the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England does have its component that you have to be aware of the Political issues.
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Carney will benefit from Canadian opposition to the US in its new era because he is so perfectly Commonwealth, former BoE head and everything. This sort of governance is in our DNA, he is Oxford (albeit not Rhodes as I suspected), he is just perfectly that whole Pearson thing. This will hold great appeal when the US is leaning into those aspects of itself that separate it most visibly from this tradition.

I don't think either Canada or the UK are doing well under this model, and I don't think conditions will be kind to this model ahead. But (regrettably to me) it's us at a juncture when we will be wanting very much to be us. We are so much more British than we think, than we are encouraged to remember.
     
     
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And Polievre can't run against Trump. This will hurt him. Right-wing leaders campaigning against that populist trend just disappear. By the time you become Mark Rutte, you're better off being Mark Carney.

What he would need to do is to somehow thread the needle and be Trump-like (in the sense of proposing abrupt, unconventional, conceptually simple but intemperate and not-often-practiced measures) but against Trump, for Canada (where they conflict).

Macron has done a bit of this to some effect, but he is someone with a much greater historical view and ambition than Polievre, and even he hasn't found much purchase with it.
     
     
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