New Vancouver Art Gallery | Proposed - Page 105

RedArbutus · #**2081** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 5:44 PM**

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What a waste of time and money, not to mention losing the modular housing site.

I don't if this is symptomatic of a governance issue or just dealing with a hangover from plans of the previous CEO. For example, I got an ad on my social media touting comedy night at their 1931 Gallery Bistro. Comedy night?! I thought they launched as a (misguidedly) high-end restaurant? They tossed out the previous (busy) restaurant for that? Who had that brilliant idea?

FWIW the restaurant was consistently really good the few times I went for brunch and had a killer happy hour. It was kind of a hidden secret pre-COVID. In the center of everything but also very quiet and under utilised?

MalcolmTucker · #**2082** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 6:26 PM**

having lots of people with the ability to add scope with no one with the authority to remove scope, and stretching projects to try to find something that solves your problems while maintaining scope, while time ticks on, squeezing the budget, creating a cycle of indecision, is pretty typical with large capital projects run by organizations without experience with large capital projects.

Burquitlaman · #**2083** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 6:42 PM**

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The first page in this thread is from the early 2000s

Vin · #**2084** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 8:57 PM**

About a decade ago, I wrote this:

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I don't think we need really sophisticated architects for designs like this. All we need is a summer intern from James Cheng & Co.. Would save up a whole bunch on cosultation fees. If we pay so much to hire foreign architects, then make sure the structure wows everyone.

A decade later now, the "swanky" Swiss architects are fired, but after we have already incurred $60mil. Is anyone accountable for this? I doubt it. No wonder this city is in the decline, while the suburb municipalities keep adding new public facilities like museums, community and aquatic centres.

To save this project, the City should partner with a private developer to create a mixed-use community here: complete with a shopping mall, hotel/office/residential buildings. Make these structures tall, and I mean really tall, to make it worth it.

jollyburger · #**2085** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 9:00 PM**

They should burn $60 million in cash in front of the gallery as performance art.

Should have listened to Rennie.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2086** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 9:34 PM**

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New Burnaby Lake Aquatic Centre goes back to drawing board due to cost overruns

Four condo tower projects in downtown Vancouver delayed due to weak market conditions

Think again. Infrastructure in general is expensive right now.

ssiguy · #**2087** Posted **Dec 4, 2024, 10:51 PM**

Not only was the building kind of ugly but more importantly, it would have had limited actual gallery space. They were more concerned with designing a building than they were of it's supposed use......come to our new building just don't expect to see anything.

VAG has always been a bit of a joke when it comes to art galleries especially considering the size of the city. The actual permanent collection is rather pathetic. The MoA at UBC however is quite unique and interesting and the money would be far better spent expanding it's buildings and aquisitions.

s211 · #**2088** Posted **Dec 5, 2024, 5:33 PM**

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They should burn $60 million in cash in front of the gallery as performance art.

That would certainly give the K Foundation a run for their money, so to speak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation_Burn_a_Million_Quid

whatnext · #**2089** Posted **Dec 5, 2024, 5:37 PM**

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New Burnaby Lake Aquatic Centre goes back to drawing board due to cost overruns

Four condo tower projects in downtown Vancouver delayed due to weak market conditions

Think again. Infrastructure in general is expensive right now.

The main reason those condos were delayed is they were targetted for a type of buyer who has disappeared from the market, the escalation in costs was secondary.

Maybe the art gallery should project costing lessons from Metro Vancouver.

Vin · #**2090** Posted **Dec 5, 2024, 9:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

New Burnaby Lake Aquatic Centre goes back to drawing board due to cost overruns

Four condo tower projects in downtown Vancouver delayed due to weak market conditions

Think again. Infrastructure in general is expensive right now.

You quoted me one example of a cost overrun project in Burnaby when in recent times the City alone have built numerous other community centres/pool:

1. Christine Sinclair Community Centre
2. Edmonds Community Centre (With Pool)
3. Rosemary Brown Recreation Centre (With 2 NHL sized ice rinks)
4. Cameron Community Centre (In Lougheed Town Centre)

Besides community centres and pools, Burnaby also built many other senior and youth centres, and sports facilities. Care to name one new community centre or pool in Vancouver?

For a way smaller population, Burnaby alone has provided way more for its residents. Vancouver had definitely been mismanaged when it can't even put up its only new art gallery to replace the very very old one currently using an old courthouse.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2091** Posted **Dec 5, 2024, 9:42 PM**

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The new Marpole centre, for one. Your sh*tposts are getting even weaker than usual.

Burnaby's big projects were made possible by Derek Corrigan's condo boom fees (and demovictions). Now that the easy money's run out, they're managing their expectations just as Vancouver is.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**2092** Posted **Dec 7, 2024, 7:40 AM**

was an ugly design anyways. good riddance.

and it had way too little gallery space.

but the VAG sucks, anyways. idk who decides what to show; but its generally uninteresting crap. i know they have some good stuff in their collection, they just dont seem to show it. so weird.

wow the first post in this thread was from 2007... yikes. 20yrs and we will still have no new VAG.

gaviscon · #**2093** Posted **Dec 7, 2024, 2:40 PM**

We don't need a new art gallery tbh, just turn it into a retail area with significant green space.

jollyburger · #**2094** Posted **Dec 7, 2024, 7:18 PM**

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We don't need a new art gallery tbh, just turn it into a retail area with significant green space.

Just get VAG to host a year round Taylor Swift exhibition and maybe it will actually draw a crowd

Vin · #**2095** Posted **Dec 8, 2024, 1:44 AM**

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The new Marpole centre, for one. Your sh*tposts are getting even weaker than usual.

Burnaby's big projects were made possible by Derek Corrigan's condo boom fees (and demovictions). Now that the easy money's run out, they're managing their expectations just as Vancouver is.

Gloating on a little renovation project which isn't even completed and you call mine a weak Shitepost. A true slippery one attempting to wriggle out when cornered.

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was an ugly design anyways. good riddance.

and it had way too little gallery space.

but the VAG sucks, anyways. idk who decides what to show; but its generally uninteresting crap. i know they have some good stuff in their collection, they just dont seem to show it. so weird.

wow the first post in this thread was from 2007... yikes. 20yrs and we will still have no new VAG.

Absolutely with you on that.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2096** Posted **Dec 8, 2024, 2:33 AM**

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Speaking of wriggling, try naming a Burnaby centre that's broken ground since 2020... nope, all the new ones are still on paper (same as Vancouver's), and no amount of malls will pay for something as big as the 2013 designs.

Face it - both cities are in the same boat now that the condo bubble has popped and Corrigan's developer fees have dried up.

officedweller · #**2097** Posted **Dec 31, 2024, 10:18 PM**

As Vancouver Art Gallery seeks new building design, should it also look for new location?
https://theprovince.com/opinion/columnists/vancouver-art-gallery-new-design-location

jollyburger · #**2098** Posted **Jan 1, 2025, 12:26 AM**

I just want to know how much Herzog and de Meuron walked away with.

The only way a new site for VAG makes any sense is if they get their new site for free (COV or federal land) with the Larwill Park site being redeveloped.

SFUVancouver · #**2099** Posted **Jan 2, 2025, 5:59 PM**

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I just want to know how much Herzog and de Meuron walked away with.

The only way a new site for VAG makes any sense is if they get their new site for free (COV or federal land) with the Larwill Park site being redeveloped.

Medium to high seven figures would be my guess considering the project had advanced far enough to commence site prep.

whatnext · #**2100** Posted **Jan 2, 2025, 8:54 PM**

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FWIW the restaurant was consistently really good the few times I went for brunch and had a killer happy hour. It was kind of a hidden secret pre-COVID. In the center of everything but also very quiet and under utilised?

Yes, it was good when I went as well but they seem to be floundering. And VAG patrons obviously wanted something like the previous cafe rather than a pricey restaurant. That's pretty much the same in most galleries. I would really love to get the inside story on who pushed for the upscale restaurant. Seems like someone at VAG had champagne tastes and caviar dreams, in food and building design.