BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Yes, and people tend to attribute that sentiment to immigrants. I know a lot of white Canadians, though, who believe that there are litter boxes in classrooms or that trans people pose an existential threat. There is a lot of disinformation floating about that people eat up wholeheartedly.

That's true but with respect to some of the Surrey ridings it's a definitely influence of immigrants. I mean just look at the ethnicities of the candidates.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

"Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity" - the name itself paints a target on its back, because clueless traditionalists think it's about LGBTQ kids and not anybody affected by bullying in general (which likely includes many of the anti-SOGI crowd). Just because culture warriors like to make mountains out of molehills doesn't mean they should be helped along.

Yep. People coming up with these things are well intentioned but politically naïve.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Was anything I said about the current BC Green platform incorrect? Intentions don't matter, policy decisions matter. When your policies have the bad results that NIMBY conservatives want you might as well be called NIMBY conservatives.

You said this:

Don't assume the Greens are strictly further left than the NDP.

I disagree with it. They are further left on the vast majority of issues. Where are you getting the NIMBY vibe? That left with Weaver who endorsed the BC Cons(!)

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

This website skews older and more centre-right

That's not the point. You said:

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

If seats hold, it's another GreeNDP government. BC will swing left after tonight, not the result I wanted

Which is objectively hilarious coming from you.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If the lefties say it's too right-leaning, and the righties say it's too left-leaning... maybe it's neither?

It was the Lefty saying it's too Left leaning.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

It was the Lefty saying it's too Left leaning.

The full quote is "This website skews older and more centre-right," while the posters on the other end of the political spectrum say it leans too far left. One figures the two sides cancel each other out.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Justin Mcelroy, on sabbatical from the CBC has a post about the recent election on his substack:

https://justinmcelroy.substack.com/p/10-thoughts-about-the-bc-election

People don't particularly like David Eby, pure and simple. Horgan seemed more like a "regular guy" not a civil rights lawyer.

Rustad better work on his liability and practice his debating skills. I was sure that with his leaden debate performance they would have fallen farther behind the NDP this time.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

People don't particularly like David Eby, pure and simple. Horgan seemed more like a "regular guy" not a civil rights lawyer.

Rustad better work on his liability and practice his debating skills. I was sure that with his leaden debate performance they would have fallen farther behind the NDP this time.

Really? You think Rustad's liability is how he delivers his message, and not what the message is? Like increased CO2 emissions don't cause climate change. That's a strong indicator that he doesn't understand science, and his comments on vaccination reinforces that. His willingness to have politicians in his caucus who lie about their credentials, or express extreme views on social media should also raise red flags about his integrity.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So... ABC ran on the same platform of cleaning up the homeless/drug/crime problem. How's that going?

Way better than before, and thanks for asking. However, the damage from previous administrations had been done, and it would be a difficult task to crawl back to how Vancouver was like previously. Having a better Provincial government to work with the municipalities will make this task easier.

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Some party at the federal level that is willing to reform the justice system and build more facilities to jail all violent criminals and mentally ill/drug addicted individuals.

We also need to get race and upbringing out of judicial decisions, especially when it comes to violent crimes and prolific offenders.

Make no mistake. Eby has had a massive screw up when it comes to the drug issues and this is one reason why held out of voting for the NDP (voted Green) but the issues with crime can easily be addressed at the federal level. Every single judge right now deserves to be fired as well.

We do what we can: one level of government at a time. Agree that many of the Fed Liberal policies need to be challenged or overturned after the next General Elections, or it would make the jobs of local municipal and provincial governments way harder.

[Migrant_Coconut]

City's still a mess. ABC's more preoccupied with pretending to make a difference than actually doing it.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Really? You think Rustad's liability is how he delivers his message, and not what the message is? Like increased CO2 emissions don't cause climate change. That's a strong indicator that he doesn't understand science, and his comments on vaccination reinforces that. His willingness to have politicians in his caucus who lie about their credentials, or express extreme views on social media should also raise red flags about his integrity.

A better argument would be how he literally made up a story about passing a man OD-ing on the way to the debate, thinks the Covid vaccines are fake, and wants to hold Nuremberg trials for pandemic health officials.

Communication and messaging are the least of his problems - he can't even tell what reality is.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Really? You think Rustad's liability is how he delivers his message, and not what the message is? Like increased CO2 emissions don't cause climate change. That's a strong indicator that he doesn't understand science, and his comments on vaccination reinforces that. His willingness to have politicians in his caucus who lie about their credentials, or express extreme views on social media should also raise red flags about his integrity.

I think maybe he meant "likability"(?)

I could be wrong and stand to be corrected, but it seems to make more sense in that context than "liability".

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Really? You think Rustad's liability is how he delivers his message, and not what the message is? Like increased CO2 emissions don't cause climate change. That's a strong indicator that he doesn't understand science, and his comments on vaccination reinforces that. His willingness to have politicians in his caucus who lie about their credentials, or express extreme views on social media should also raise red flags about his integrity.

Get outside and talk to people and you realize average layperson doesn't care about climate change, pollution, vaccination statuses and conspiracy theories these days. Many people are broke, tired of drug addicts and crime and also tired of dealing with inadequate health care and will pledge their support behind the non-incumbent party or party that promises better times. The NDP have done some decent changes but failed to convey and promise of better times to the general public. Most people no longer see climate change as a direct threat like they did in the 2010's and we as a region cannot do anything to mitigate the impacts anyway when you see the worlds biggest polluters. People are also over COVID and pretty much over getting vaccinated a whole (less than 16% have been vaccinated so far this year). They don't care. Time to move on.

I didn't vote for the BC Cons because I had access to reliable information to suggest they were nutjobs, but many people barely ready any commentary worth of substance these days aside from social media posts that portray them as a legitimate party.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Get outside and talk to people and you realize average layperson doesn't care about climate change, pollution, vaccination statuses and conspiracy theories these days. Many people are broke, tired of drug addicts and crime and also tired of dealing with inadequate health care and will pledge their support behind the non-incumbent party or party that promises better times...

And voting for the party that wants to gut public healthcare and privatize the rest, overturn the provincing rezoning bills, lift Airbnb restrictions and run an even higher deficit than the Dippers is somehow going to result in "better times?" I can understand why people might get duped, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they were duped.

There's a reason why the Con candidates ducked (or were told to duck) every debate - the surest way to lose support over the next four years is to tell the voters exactly who they are.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The full quote is "This website skews older and more centre-right," while the posters on the other end of the political spectrum say it leans too far left. One figures the two sides cancel each other out.

Go back further in the conversation.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Way better than before, and thanks for asking. However, the damage from previous administrations had been done, and it would be a difficult task to crawl back to how Vancouver was like previously. Having a better Provincial government to work with the municipalities will make this task easier.

Way better how? I know my taxes have gone up the most ever in the last 2 years. What am I getting for that? Vibes?

The City can't even figure out what is going on with the sewer on Terminal Ave. It's been closed off for months.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Really? You think Rustad's liability is how he delivers his message, and not what the message is? Like increased CO2 emissions don't cause climate change. That's a strong indicator that he doesn't understand science, and his comments on vaccination reinforces that. His willingness to have politicians in his caucus who lie about their credentials, or express extreme views on social media should also raise red flags about his integrity.

The voters just told Eby (and you) that they don't care.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And voting for the party that wants to gut public healthcare and privatize the rest, overturn the provincing rezoning bills, lift Airbnb restrictions and run an even higher deficit than the Dippers is somehow going to result in "better times?" I can understand why people might get duped, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they were duped.

My tenant, who pays far less than market rent, thanks to NDP rent control, voted for the Cons. You can't explain some people.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Get outside and talk to people and you realize average layperson doesn't care about climate change, pollution, vaccination statuses and conspiracy theories these days. Many people are broke, tired of drug addicts and crime and also tired of dealing with inadequate health care and will pledge their support behind the non-incumbent party or party that promises better times. The NDP have done some decent changes but failed to convey and promise of better times to the general public. Most people no longer see climate change as a direct threat like they did in the 2010's and we as a region cannot do anything to mitigate the impacts anyway when you see the worlds biggest polluters. People are also over COVID and pretty much over getting vaccinated a whole (less than 16% have been vaccinated so far this year). They don't care. Time to move on.

I didn't vote for the BC Cons because I had access to reliable information to suggest they were nutjobs, but many people barely ready any commentary worth of substance these days aside from social media posts that portray them as a legitimate party.

Really?
After a weekend like we just had, .......and also with the increased severity of the forest fires that we've now become accustomed to in the summers?
(not to mention the now frequent and typically lethal "heat domes")

And with a major party leader who's a climate change denier?

You really think the average person doesn't think about it that much?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by casper

As I say, 43% of voters disagree with me.

The NDP have done a reasonable job of advancing decarbonization while still not putting the economy at risk. It is not perfect but it is balanced.

In some of the Victoria ridings the NDP came in first followed by the Greens. The Conservatives were a distant third.

Hence more bike lanes and more homelessness/drug use in Victoria in recent years. You can literally see changes to a City run by the various types of governments. Don't get me wrong, I do love the bike lanes but I hate the latter. It's just a matter of deciding who can bring in the most benefits because no matter who you choose, there will always be disagreements and things that disappoint since no one is perfect.

The NDP has definitely brought much harm to my area of work and residence in downtown Vancouver. During Covid they bought up previously profitable hotels and turned them into slums (SRO's). The act of assisting to house people in need itself is fine, except that those making the decision did not attempt to enforce stricter rules to make the neighbourhoods cleaner and safer, but just left the neighbourhoods rotting and becoming filthy. These hotel purchase initiatives were supposed to be temporary until they could build enough proper housing for those housed. However these slums are now permanent fixtures since BC Housing hasn't been doing anything much, while the drug use and homelessness situation is getting worse day-by-day.

If they can do that to Vancouver, they can also turn every city/town centre into slums. We are starting to witness that in Victoria these days too, and what's happening around Pandora/Quadra is definitely spreading to other areas like Douglas Street. I can always see the stark decline every time I am in various Victoria neighbourhoods. I am sure you are familiar about the Comfort Inn issue in Victoria as well, as the place is draining Victoria's resources by wasting tax-payer's money on emergency responses, crime prevention, weapons bust, etc.

If we vote in the NDP with a huge majority, we are simply sending them the signal that the rot they caused over the past decade was acceptable. The only way to derail them is to give the Conservatives more power to counter their arrogance.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And voting for the party that wants to gut public healthcare and privatize the rest, overturn the provincing rezoning bills, lift Airbnb restrictions and run an even higher deficit than the Dippers is somehow going to result in "better times?" I can understand why people might get duped, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they were duped.

There's a reason why the Con candidates ducked (or were told to duck) every debate - the surest way to lose support over the next four years is to tell the voters exactly who they are.

You do realize much of the private health care which exists in BC today first came on-stream during the Glen Clark NDP government. The Cambie Surgical Centre, which opened in 1996, was used by the Clark government to take the pressure off the public health system by referring ICBC and WCB patients.