UBCx - Millennium Line Extension Arbutus to UBC | Proposed - Page 21

chowhou · #**401** Posted **Aug 12, 2024, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

Given how fast gas stations within the metro core are disappearing and the age of this specific location (it has service bays!) there is no reason to believe the owner would not be willing to sell for fair market value.

Or, more likely, above market value.

It's important to note that commercial property is not residential property. Except for rare cases, most owners of commercial property do not respond irrationally to market forces.

GenWhy? · #**402** Posted **Aug 12, 2024, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

Buying from a willing seller, not expropriation. Expropriation was not used for any of the properties acquired for the Broadway Subway, even for those properties at Main that the former owners started making a fuss about.

Given how fast gas stations within the metro core are disappearing and the age of this specific location (it has service bays!) there is no reason to believe the owner would not be willing to sell for fair market value.

Ah gotcha. I guess having the Province buy you out for a site that could be a 20-30 storey tower wouldn't be the worst I guess.

jollyburger · #**403** Posted **Aug 12, 2024, 10:47 PM**

Wasn't Bill 16 leaning in that direction?

https://pacificlandgroup.ca/land-planner...he%20Transportation,)%20(Price%2C%202023).

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/bill-16-would-give-b-c-increased-power-to-seize-private-property-1.5851806

madog222 · #**404** Posted **Aug 12, 2024, 11:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Wasn't Bill 16 leaning in that direction?

https://pacificlandgroup.ca/land-planner...he%20Transportation,)%20(Price%2C%202023).

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/bill-16-would-give-b-c-increased-power-to-seize-private-property-1.5851806

They can certainly use expropriation even without Bill 16 as the site would be needed for the station construction but in the past that hasn't been necesary.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**405** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 12:04 AM**

nice to see concrete evidence of the prep work for this project.

it is the no-brainier, next SkyTrain project we should be doing. once out to UBC, Langley, and the SFU Gondola done, we will have a very good SkyTrain network that reaches the major employment + residential centres.

i foresee a lull in building new lines once they're all done, unless they really want to replace the Iron Workers Memorial Bridge. i could see that replacement pushing the "purple" line ahead faster.

Migrant_Coconut · #**406** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 12:28 AM**

Pretty sure Purple's going ahead with or without the IWMB replacement; after the current round of SkyTrains, the North Shore will be the only major town centre "cut off" from the transit network.

officedweller · #**407** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 1:03 AM**

Wasn't there talk of redevelopment of the Broadway & MacDonald Safeway some time ago?

jollyburger · #**408** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 1:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Wasn't there talk of redevelopment of the Broadway & MacDonald Safeway some time ago?

It's on the REIT's future developments page but they have so many sites who knows when they will get to it. Anywhere from 5-15 years since it's not an active development.

https://www.crombie.ca/development/2733-west-broadway/

There's that VPL site on the other side of the street as well if they bought out the corner lots.

Migrant_Coconut · #**409** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 1:35 AM**

Fairly sure TransLink wants an entrance on the intersection, not near it. The VPL branch might make a good secondary entrance.

jollyburger · #**410** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Fairly sure TransLink wants an entrance on the intersection, not near it. The VPL branch might make a good secondary entrance.

I was thinking of it as a staging site with the entrance on the corner. But I guess it's so small that acquiring the rest of the block next to the gas station would work.

madog222 · #**411** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 2:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

I was thinking of it as a staging site with the entrance on the corner. But I guess it's so small that acquiring the rest of the block next to the gas station would work.

The gas station along with the adjoining lot would be more than sufficient, no need for the entire block. Of Couse if they want to go for a multi tower development that could take the whole block.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**412** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 2:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Pretty sure Purple's going ahead with or without the IWMB replacement; after the current round of SkyTrains, the North Shore will be the only major town centre "cut off" from the transit network.

i am not sure about that. that is going to be one very expensive line, and i dont see the biggest need for that line. while nice to have, it isnt really *needed* like Langley, UBC are.

but thats a long way away. it certainly wont start construction prior to UBCx. and that wont open before, probably, 2033.

Migrant_Coconut · #**413** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 5:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i am not sure about that. that is going to be one very expensive line, and i dont see the biggest need for that line. while nice to have, it isnt really *needed* like Langley, UBC are.

but thats a long way away. it certainly wont start construction prior to UBCx. and that wont open before, probably, 2033.

I mean, Evergreen wasn't really "needed" either (ridership's pretty low compared to Richmond/Burnaby/New West), but it was more about bringing rapid transit to the NE quadrant. Ditto Purple and the North Shore.

Oh, absolutely not. But it'll likely be next right after UBCx, and likely won't be dependent on a new Second Narrows bridge. After that, practically all of Metro Vancouver is 30-ish minutes or less away from a SkyTrain, and it's just filling in the gaps from there.

chowhou · #**414** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 6:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

while nice to have, it isnt really *needed* like Langley, UBC are.

Langley (Township + City) has a lower population than the North Shore (DNV + CNV + DWV), and has connections to the rest of Metro Vancouver via Hwy 1, Fraser Highway/KGB, Highway 10/99/91, 200th, or any of the other numerous minor arterials south of the Fraser.

In my very humble opinion, the North Shore "needs" it far more than Langley does.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**415** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 6:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

it'll likely be next right after UBCx, and likely won't be dependent on a new Second Narrows bridge. After that, practically all of Metro Vancouver is 30-ish minutes or less away from a SkyTrain, and it's just filling in the gaps from there.

i dont know. i forsee it getting stalled out, either because we have "built enough" and it will be quite expensive. or the politics of it because SoF doesn't "have enough" and this would be "another line" for Burnaby/NoF.

i just really dont see how we will get another NoF/Burnaby line politically in the region right after. the north shore will never have the potential for jobs, density that SoF does, and SoF people love to go on about NoF getting too much stuff, etc.

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Originally Posted by chowhou

In my very humble opinion, the North Shore "needs" it far more than Langley does.

politics. the north shore doesnt have enough sway/votes compared to SoF.

BSP/UBCx should have been before any other line. then Evergreen, Langley as a next priority. its ridiculous that UBCx wasn't the first thing done. but politics gets in the way. Canada Line was almost killed because of it afterall.

its just good UBCx is seeing some progress. thats really the last project on my list. well and the SFU gondola.

Migrant_Coconut · #**416** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 6:41 AM**

In this case, it could very well be the 'burbs teaming up against the core. Moderately harder to argue "NoF privilege" when Surrey's much more accessible than North Van is.

chowhou · #**417** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 9:17 AM**

Small reminder that SoF is "getting" BRT down KGB and 200th at the same pace that the North Shore is likely getting Skytrain. Take that for what you will and whether that's sufficient compensation.

BaddieB · #**418** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 9:39 AM**

I can see a King George Blvd Skytrain being something
That ends up getting announced before UBCx. It would be much cheaper to do that UBCx and would be done to sway voters there.0

scryer · #**419** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

nice to see concrete evidence of the prep work for this project.

it is the no-brainier, next SkyTrain project we should be doing. once out to UBC, Langley, and the SFU Gondola done, we will have a very good SkyTrain network that reaches the major employment + residential centres.

i foresee a lull in building new lines once they're all done, unless they really want to replace the Iron Workers Memorial Bridge. i could see that replacement pushing the "purple" line ahead faster.

I agree.

jollyburger · #**420** Posted **Aug 13, 2024, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

BSP/UBCx should have been before any other line. then Evergreen, Langley as a next priority. its ridiculous that UBCx wasn't the first thing done. but politics gets in the way. Canada Line was almost killed because of it afterall.

its just good UBCx is seeing some progress. thats really the last project on my list. well and the SFU gondola.

Not sure how the timing worked with the Jericho Lands sale/planning but I'm glad that development will be served by the line.