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Old Posted Jun 28, 2023, 8:38 PM
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They should offer the University Club the course at Shaughnessy when the lease expires and then they can speed up the redevelopment
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2023, 8:42 PM
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As of the most recent public information stations are proposed for Macdonald, Alma, Jericho, and UBC, with a potential future station at the University Golf Club. Jericho and Sasamat locations were on different potential alignments, having both was never in the cards.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2023, 11:11 PM
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No it's the same typo you've been repeating for weeks.

The report says a future station could be considered once the golf course is available for the Musqueam to develop it. At the moment that's 2083, so you needn't worry about it. If there was a plan for a Sasamat or Blanca station those would be mentioned. They're not.
They would have to put in a flat and straight section for the infill station anyways (no matter when it's built eventually), so you may as well start planning now to start collecting CACs for the station today instead of leaving it to a 'promise' that the station will be built like on 33rd and 57th Ave, or 2083 for the Golf Course, for a station to be built at double the cost it would be if it was just built with the rest of the line.


Most of the Sasamat catchment is the West Point Grey Village, not the Golf Course lands, so you could still generate plenty of CACs for the station even without redeveloping the golf course lands.

Blanca... would probably require redeveloping the Golf Course.
And the tunnel portal is supposed to be at Blanca, so you'd have a station within a trench (like the Southlands Station.)

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As of the most recent public information stations are proposed for Macdonald, Alma, Jericho, and UBC, with a potential future station at the University Golf Club. Jericho and Sasamat locations were on different potential alignments, having both was never in the cards.
I've noted before that that seems to be a misunderstanding, and the Jericho option also has Sasamat/Blanca as an option, rather than the station being directly in the middle of the Golf club.


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The new intended alignment is Alma, Jericho, possibly Blanca. It was one or the other, so if Jericho's been chosen, then Sasamat (there's a few Somersets, but no Samasat, in Vancouver) has been taken out of consideration.



Whenever I went to PG Village I was the only student there, so YMMV. That same article also blames property taxes, a stagnant local population and residents who don’t know the area (or prefer to go elsewhere in their downtime).

Google Maps is an estimate, not hard data. And it rounds upward for walking – according to it, I shouldn’t be able to reach the Inukshuk in less than half an hour, which is bull.
The hill’s only a problem if you walk straight up it in the southwest direction; go west or south at an angle, and it’s no worse than Burrard. Seniors and kids may or may not have problems; most able-bodied adults, absolutely not.
How many people regularly go from the towers around Edmonds station to Highgate Village? That's an easier walk and roughly the same distance.

That walk may be easier, but it's not going to be much faster.

You have to go uphill an elevation gain of ~55m no matter which direction you're going.
Burrard to the Inukshuk is a ~30m elevation gain.

Just because you're a fast walker, it doesn't mean it's particularly convenient for most people.


Even if you ignore all this, the distance from Jericho to Sasamat is ~800m, which is basically the same as on Broadway's Stations east of Artubus or Patterson to Metrotown.


Blanca hits the 'theoretical' station spacing of 1km, but unless you develop the Golf Course lands, the station catchment area is half-empty, so even though Sasamat is 'walkable' to from Jericho, Sasamat is still probably the better location for the medium-term (both are options, though.)
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2023, 11:27 PM
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It’s Sasamat OR Jericho - all the graphics and documentation make that pretty clear - and they already picked Jericho. Both stations is wishful thinking.

Seeing as Edmonds-Highgate is much less walkable than Jericho? Probably less. If it were just distance and height, it’d be very unpleasant to walk up the Arbutus Greenway for groceries, but it isn’t. And again, Jericho is much shallower if you don’t walk directly up the steepest angle of the slope; that's evidently what the planners have in mind.

And it’s even less convenient to walk from the station to Alma or 4th. Let’s face it – if residents want a change of scenery for dinner, they’ll have to get some exercise.

You call me fast, I call me average. There’s a lot more people that’re in better shape than I am. Joggers, bikers and scooters (all of which Jericho will have ample access to) are definitely much faster.
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They would have to put in a flat and straight section for the infill station anyways ... (blah blah blah) ... Sasamat is still probably the better location for the medium-term (both are options, though.)
This is the Jericho Lands thread. There's one station, in the western-centre of the site. It'll be underground. Everything else you're clogging the thread up with (if you must) is better in the UBC line thread, where you can argue for non-existant tunnel portals or phantom stations that don't need CACs because they're not intended to be built (even if you think they should be).
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 12:22 AM
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WRT the proposed station here are some pics from Daily Hive:

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The revised proposal for the development offers a more detailed conceptualization of how a Jericho Lands Station could potentially be built into the site,
right beneath the Sentinels, where the density and employment uses are greatest. There could be two entrances into the subway station to improve its accessibility
on the sloped site, with the entrances stacked on top of each other. The on-site Jericho Lands Station — in lieu of a station at Sasamat Street to directly serve
the existing West Point Grey retail strip on West 10th Avenue — would complement Alma Station (at the intersection of Alma Street and West Broadway) just to the east.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jericho-...cept-west-point-grey-vancouver-june-2023


Two subway entrances at different levels for SkyTrain Jericho Station beneath the Sentinels;
June 2023 revised concept of the Jericho Lands. (MST Development Corporation/Canada Lands Company)

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jericho-...cept-west-point-grey-vancouver-june-2023


SkyTrain Jericho Station concept; June 2023 revised concept of the Jericho Lands. (MST Development Corporation/Canada Lands Company)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jericho-...cept-west-point-grey-vancouver-june-2023


SkyTrain Jericho Station concept; June 2023 revised concept of the Jericho Lands. (MST Development Corporation/Canada Lands Company)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jericho-...cept-west-point-grey-vancouver-june-2023

Facing West:

June 2023 revised concept of the Jericho Lands. (MST Development Corporation/Canada Lands Company)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jericho-...cept-west-point-grey-vancouver-june-2023

Facing South:

June 2023 revised concept of the Jericho Lands. (MST Development Corporation/Canada Lands Company)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jericho-...cept-west-point-grey-vancouver-june-2023
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 2:50 AM
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These built from scratch neighbourhoods always disappoint, but Jericho is in a very unique situation where they can build around an underground station. Let's hope they put a lot of thought (and capital) into the plaza area around the station entrances. We should see lots of lively businesses like bars and restaurants and a host of other retail tenants. A once in a lifetime opportunity for the developers here.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 3:02 AM
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FWIW I actually walked from 8th @ Crown Crescent to 10th @ Sasamat today just to experience roughly what the foot journey from Jericho Station (approximately) to the centre of West Point Grey Village would be like. Took me 11.5min at a comfortable pace. The fact that it was a nice neighbourhood partly offset the fact it was all uphill. I really hope they decide to build something at Blanca sooner than 60 years or whatever from now.

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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 4:02 PM
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These built from scratch neighbourhoods always disappoint, but Jericho is in a very unique situation where they can build around an underground station. Let's hope they put a lot of thought (and capital) into the plaza area around the station entrances. We should see lots of lively businesses like bars and restaurants and a host of other retail tenants. A once in a lifetime opportunity for the developers here.
Should be a great place to live too. I'll pencil it in for my retirement plan.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 4:35 PM
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These built from scratch neighbourhoods always disappoint, but Jericho is in a very unique situation where they can build around an underground station. Let's hope they put a lot of thought (and capital) into the plaza area around the station entrances. We should see lots of lively businesses like bars and restaurants and a host of other retail tenants. A once in a lifetime opportunity for the developers here.
I don't know if they disappoint, or just take time to really reach their potential. It takes time for the buildings to finish, the people to move in, the trees to grow, and so on. The West End was basically a built from scratch neighbourhood, as is the Olympic Village. River District is also coming along pretty well in my opinion. Further out, Newport Village, Suter Brook and Klahannie in Port Moody are all pretty nice, and even further out, Opsrey Village in Pitt Meadows is very nice as well, for a different target market, of course.

Did you have some examples in mind of built from scratch lower mainland neighbourhoods that were disappointing? Arbutus Walk is nice enough, but a little underwhelming in my opinion, just not ambitious enough given the location. Similarly South False Creek around Charleson Park shows the failed influence of Patrick Condon style, close our eyes and pretend we don't live in a big city, planning, but I don't think Jericho will have the same problem of lack of ambition that those projects had.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 5:08 PM
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All the Canada Lands developments I'm aware of have done a tremendous job. All the recent Lower Mainland projects of this size are in car-centric shopping mall developments / locations. So very tricky to compare. Southgate in Burnaby, and Pearson / Langara are the closest local developments I can think of and they're not done yet.

Canada Lands is going a great job for Greisbach in Edmonton and Currie in Calgary - the only Canada Lands projects I've been to, and they are fairly complete.
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Did you have some examples in mind of built from scratch lower mainland neighbourhoods that were disappointing?
Edmonds?
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The first phase of towers around king George are pretty terrible too
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Jericho Lands Sentis Survey Results









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What does the average Vancouverite think of the Jericho Lands redevelopment? Well according to this unbiased Sentis research poll, a super majority really like what they see, even when it comes to the building heights & density proposed

https://syc.vancouver.ca/projects/jerich...-4-public-engagement-summary-digital.pdf
https://x.com/City_Duo/status/1720573174365204806?s=20
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So 42% don't know what's going on, but are fine with it anyway? Works for me.
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