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BEA.GOV: Metro Area(MSA) GDP 2022

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Top 75 Metro Areas(MSA) by GDP, 2022:
in millions of dollars
$2,163,208--New York–Newark–Jersey City, NY-NJ
$1,227,469--Los Angeles–Long Beach–Anaheim, CA
$832,899----Chicago–Naperville–Elgin, IL-IN
$729,104----San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont, CA
$688,928----Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington, TX
$660,626----Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV
$633,184----Houston–Pasadena–The Woodlands, TX
$571,666----Boston–Cambridge–Newton, MA-NH
$525,888----Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Roswell, GA
$518,485----Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD
$517,803----Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA
$483,754----Miami–Fort Lauderdale–West Palm Beach, FL
$403,513----San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA MSA
$362,086----Phoenix–Mesa–Chandler, AZ
$323,972----Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington, MN-WI
$305,411----Detroit–Warren–Dearborn, MI
$295,644----San Diego–Chula Vista–Carlsbad, CA
$288,800----Denver–Aurora–Centennial, CO
$241,399----Baltimore–Columbia–Towson, MD
$237,912----Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario, CA
$228,912----Charlotte–Concord–Gastonia, NC-SC
$222,054----Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos, TX
$219,413----Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL
$209,935----St. Louis, MO-IL
$204,319----Portland–Vancouver–Hillsboro, OR-WA
$194,472----Orlando–Kissimmee–Sanford, FL
$187,781----Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN
$186,141----Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN
$184,394----Indianapolis–Carmel–Greenwood, IN
$181,485----Pittsburgh, PA
$176,275----Sacramento–Roseville–Folsom, CA
$169,501----Kansas City, MO-KS
$169,123----Columbus, OH
$163,060----San Antonio–New Braunfels, TX
$162,788----Cleveland, OH
$160,727----Las Vegas–Henderson–North Las Vegas, NV
$135,409----Salt Lake City–Murray, UT
$120,562----Milwaukee–Waukesha, WI
$119,675----Raleigh–Cary, NC
$117,162----Jacksonville, FL
$116,686----Virginia Beach–Chesapeake–Norfolk, VA-NC
$114,887----Hartford–West Hartford–East Hartford, CT
$109,512----Richmond, VA
$105,570----Providence–Warwick, RI-MA
$104,368----Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT
$96,182-----Memphis, TN-MS-AR
$94,741-----Oklahoma City, OK
$94,030-----New Orleans-Metairie, LA
$90,835-----Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN
$85,021-----Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA
$84,673-----Buffalo–Cheektowaga, NY
$80,302-----Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY
$79,098-----Birmingham, AL
$77,296-----Grand Rapids–Wyoming–Kentwood, MI
$75,085-----Rochester, NY
$74,220-----Urban Honolulu, HI
$67,333-----Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA
$63,949-----Durham-Chapel Hill, NC
$62,951-----Baton Rouge, LA
$62,328-----Oxnard-Thousand Oaks, CA
$61,966-----Tulsa, OK
$61,456-----New Haven-Milford, CT
$60,909-----Madison, WI
$60,342-----Worcester, MA-CT
$58,892-----Knoxville, TN
$57,540-----Bakersfield, CA
$57,403-----Greenville-Anderson, SC
$56,933-----Charleston-North Charleston, SC
$55,799-----Tucson, AZ
$55,426-----Fresno, CA
$55,015-----Midland, TX
$54,322-----Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ
$54,072-----Columbia, SC
$53,861-----Albuquerque, NM
$53,329-----Dayton-Kettering, OH

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Top 35 Combined Statistical Areas(CSA) by GDP, 2022:
in millions of dollars
$2,451,314---New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA
$1,527,710---Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA
$1,317,706---San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA
$943,895-----Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA
$855,679-----Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI
$804,168-----Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT
$709,824-----Dallas-Ft Worth, TX
$644,159-----Houston-The Woodlands, TX
$583,371-----Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD
$574,941-----Atlanta-Athens-Sandy Srprings, GA-AL
$570,739-----Seattle-Tacoma, WA
$524,527-----Miami-Port St Lucie-Ft Lauderdale, FL
$364,559-----Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI
$364,332-----Phoenix-Mesa, AZ
$351,743-----Denver-Aurora, CO
$348,598-----Minneapolis-St Paul, MN-WI
$266,978-----Orlando-Lakeland-Deltona, FL
$254,368-----Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH
$246,570-----Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA
$236,555-----Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC
$222,040-----Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT
$213,609-----St Louis-St Charles-Farmington, MO-IL
$207,571-----Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN
$197,196-----Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV
$193,190-----Nashville-Murfreesboro, TN
$190,984-----Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH
$190,482-----Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN
$190,276-----Sacramento-Roseville, CA
$186,611-----Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS
$185,145-----Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC
$164,489-----San Antonio-New Braunfels-Pearsall, TX
$162,854-----Las Vegas-Henderson, NV
$144,804-----Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI
$136,935-----Hartford-East Hartford, CT
$122,087-----Jacksonville-St Marys-Palatka, FL-GA

source: bea.gov
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I demand a recount. California is dying, destroyed by Antifa and liberal scum. The Bay Area is a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
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Phoenix has basically moved into a position consonant with its relative population. It traditionally has slightly lagged in GDP numbers; last year Phoenix was behind Minneapolis, and as recently as 2019 it was behind Denver. Being just behind Detroit in GDP makes some sense as Phoenix CSA is just behind Detroit CSA in population.
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Phoenix has basically moved into a position consonant with its relative population. It traditionally has slightly lagged in GDP numbers; last year Phoenix was behind Minneapolis, and as recently as 2019 it was behind Denver. Being just behind Detroit in GDP makes some sense as Phoenix CSA is just behind Detroit CSA in population.
Pretty wild that Phoenix has caught up with Detroit. Detroit was more than twice the size of Phoenix as recently as 1980.
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The tech orientation of the Western economies gives them a consistent strong boost in recent years. Even the Western metros not known for tech are prolly more tech-oriented than many Eastern economies.

And, yeah, it's sobering that Phoenix has almost matched Detroit.
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I'm a bit surprised the San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA MSA is so low. I would've thought it'd be more in the ballpark of Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Seattle, but I guess if you look at GDP per capita, it's probably on par with those.
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I'm a bit surprised the San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA MSA is so low. I would've thought it'd be more in the ballpark of Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Seattle, but I guess if you look at GDP per capita, it's probably on par with those.
Really? It's very likely the wealthiest "metro" on earth, at least by household income.

And it's not like every single person in SJ metro is in tech. There are still teachers, librarians, retail employees, landscapers, etc.
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I'm a bit surprised the San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA MSA is so low. I would've thought it'd be more in the ballpark of Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Seattle, but I guess if you look at GDP per capita, it's probably on par with those.
Yeah this surprised me too but SJC metro actually pretty small (size of Buffalo I think) and a lot of tech companies are actually further up the peninsula and technically in SF's orbit. Most people associate Fremont and Milpitas with SJ because they are techie and they have good curry but are actually SF. I think the border is Palo Alto (SJ) and Menlo Park (SF) on the other side.
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Top 35 Combined Statistical Areas(CSA) by GDP, 2022:
in millions of dollars
$2,451,314---New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA
$1,527,710---Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA
$1,317,706---San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA
$943,895-----Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA
$855,679-----Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI
$804,168-----Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT
$709,824-----Dallas-Ft Worth, TX
$644,159-----Houston-The Woodlands, TX
$583,371-----Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD
$574,941-----Atlanta-Athens-Sandy Srprings, GA-AL
$570,739-----Seattle-Tacoma, WA
$524,527-----Miami-Port St Lucie-Ft Lauderdale, FL
$364,559-----Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI
$364,332-----Phoenix-Mesa, AZ
$351,743-----Denver-Aurora, CO
$348,598-----Minneapolis-St Paul, MN-WI
$266,978-----Orlando-Lakeland-Deltona, FL
$254,368-----Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH
$246,570-----Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA
$236,555-----Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC
$222,040-----Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT
$213,609-----St Louis-St Charles-Farmington, MO-IL
$207,571-----Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN
$197,196-----Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV
$193,190-----Nashville-Murfreesboro, TN
$190,984-----Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH
$190,482-----Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN
$190,276-----Sacramento-Roseville, CA
$186,611-----Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS
$185,145-----Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC
$164,489-----San Antonio-New Braunfels-Pearsall, TX
$162,854-----Las Vegas-Henderson, NV
$144,804-----Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI
$136,935-----Hartford-East Hartford, CT
$122,087-----Jacksonville-St Marys-Palatka, FL-GA

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Milkwaukee and Chicago should be combined, and will be eventually as continued urbanization between the two start to blend closer and closer, like NW Indiana and SE Chicagoland.
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Yeah this surprised me too but SJC metro actually pretty small (size of Buffalo I think) and a lot of tech companies are actually further up the peninsula and technically in SF's orbit. Most people associate Fremont and Milpitas with SJ because they are techie and they have good curry but are actually SF. I think the border is Palo Alto (SJ) and Menlo Park (SF) on the other side.
Yeah, I believe the SJ metro should contain all of Palo Alto and down. It's not just SJ, Santa Clara, Sunnyvale, and Cupertino. Milpitas should be part of SJ too. Fremont and Menlo Park is where the SF metro ends on their respective sides of the Bay.

But even though it's small, these are where all the tech companies are headquartered. So I'm surprised a place like Phoenix is not that far behind, and Miami is ahead. I don't know if being tech "oriented" accounts for as much as being tech "originator", so these places must have other non-tech industries that give them a GDP boost.

Austin is also a bit lower than expected.
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Milkwaukee and Chicago should be combined, and will be eventually as continued urbanization between the two start to blend closer and closer, like NW Indiana and SE Chicagoland.
That's highly questionable, given the opposite has been occurring in more recent years, with CSAs breaking up into smaller geographies.

If there were a scenario where Chicago would combine with Milwaukee, it's likely NYC would have combined with Philly and Hartford, the Bay Area with Sacramento and Stockton, LA with San Diego and Austin with San Antonio.
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Combining Milwaukee and Chicago would barely change the ordering.
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Milkwaukee and Chicago should be combined, and will be eventually as continued urbanization between the two start to blend closer and closer, like NW Indiana and SE Chicagoland.
The CB recently split off Kenosha county from the Chicago MSA into its own MSA, further splintering the SW lake Michigan region.

The prospects for an imagined Chicago/Milwaukee mega-CSA are now even dimmer

Which is at it should be.

Because CSAs are dumb.



UAs are where it's at, but data is rare for those because census tracts.
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I'm a bit surprised the San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA MSA is so low. I would've thought it'd be more in the ballpark of Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Seattle, but I guess if you look at GDP per capita, it's probably on par with those.
San Jose only has 1.9 million people tho. Seattle has 4m, SF has 4.5m, Boston is just shy of 5m, and every other metro in the top tier of GDPs has 6m people or more.
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The CB recently split off Kenosha county from the Chicago MSA into its own MSA, further splintering the SW lake Michigan region.

The prospects for an imagined Chicago/Milwaukee mega-CSA are now even dimmer

Which is at it should be.

Because CSAs are dumb.



UAs are where it's at, but data is rare for those because census tracts.


There is a decent amount of housing development further south and west of the image, and there is a future where additional PDs creep further eastward, closer to the lakefront...which, as visible, is mostly contiguous from south of Kenosha at the WI/IL border, going further north into south Racine, and continuing into south Milwaukee UA.

Point being, with only 2 miles of separation, there is no doubt that there will be additional urbanization/development in the future in this area, and it's not entirely out of the question to assume the area will be even more coterminous as one larger region, regardless of what MSA divisions indicate.
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San Jose only has 1.9 million people tho. Seattle has 4m, SF has 4.5m, Boston is just shy of 5m, and every other metro in the top tier of GDPs has 6m people or more.
Are you able to reproduce the list into GDP per capita? It’d be interesting to see how the results get shuffled.
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There is a decent amount of housing development further south and west of the image, and there is a future where additional PDs creep further eastward, closer to the lakefront...which, as visible, is mostly contiguous from south of Kenosha at the WI/IL border, going further north into south Racine, and continuing into south Milwaukee UA.

Point being, with only 2 miles of separation, there is no doubt that there will be additional urbanization/development in the future in this area, and it's not entirely out of the question to assume the area will be even more coterminous as one larger region, regardless of what MSA divisions indicate.
Sure, but it's a region; it'll never be a singular "city".

I'm a "city" person.



Speaking of the SW lake Michigan region, from Michigan City up to Port Washington, I think it needs a snazzier name for branding purposes.

Toronto and western Lake Ontario have "The Golden Horseshoe", so for the greater Chicago-Milwaukee area I propose the name "The Platinum Jockstrap" because Lake Michigan vaguely resembles a dangling 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵.
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Sure, but it's a region; it'll never be a singular "city".

I'm a "city" person.



Speaking of the SW lake Michigan region, from Michigan City up to Port Washington, I think it needs a snazzier name for branding purposes.

Toronto and western Lake Ontario have "The Golden Horseshoe", so for the greater Chicago-Milwaukee area I propose the name "The Platinum Jockstrap" because Lake Michigan vaguely resembles a dangling 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵.
"Diamond Dong" has a better ring to it, ngl.
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This is for MSAs with $200B+ GDP in 2022

Metro Area(MSA) 5-Year GDP Growth, 2017-2022
percent ---millions of dollars
+57.3%--+$80,952---Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos, TX
+47.1%--+$116,018--Phoenix–Mesa–Chandler, AZ
+43.7%--+$66,752---Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL
+42.8%--+$86,590---Denver–Aurora–Centennial, CO
+42.7%--+$120,850--San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara, CA
+42.4%--+$205,196--Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington, TX
+40.6%--+$149,610--Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA
+39.4%--+$136,799--Miami–Fort Lauderdale–West Palm Beach, FL
+38.9%--+$66,709---Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario, CA
+37.8%--+$199,522--San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont, CA
+36.1%--+$60,793---Charlotte–Concord–Gastonia, NC-SC
+34.5%--+$162,508--Houston–Pasadena–The Woodlands, TX
+32.0%--+$127,680--Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Roswell, GA
+31.7%--+$137,822--Boston–Cambridge–Newton, MA-NH
+31.5%--+$70,877---San Diego–Chula Vista–Carlsbad, CA
+31.1%--+$48,488---Portland–Vancouver–Hillsboro, OR-WA
+27.6%--+$45,520---St. Louis, MO-IL
+27.1%--+$262,190--Los Angeles–Long Beach–Anaheim, CA
+26.2%--+$449,134--New York–Newark–Jersey City, NY-NJ
+25.6%--+$66,123---Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington, MN-WI
+24.8%--+$131,701--Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV
+23.4%--+$158,331--Chicago–Naperville–Elgin, IL-IN
+21.8%--+$93,112---Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD
+21.7%--+$43,067---Baltimore–Columbia–Towson, MD
+19.2%--+$49,204---Detroit–Warren–Dearborn, MI
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