YEG - Edmonton Int Airport - Page 84

Coldrsx · #**1661** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 7:39 PM**

however with that said...we would only say be at 7,000,000 and calgary at 11,000,000....

YYC has significantly more aircraft movement and much larger planes on many routes.

YEG is flying but YYC is a step above

i gots no probs with dat

Edmonchuck · #**1662** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by kyle_olsen

In this case, Edmonton may be loosing 1.4 million pax a year to Calgary (600,000 aren't really lost, they are just hubbing through Calgary and are still counted on Edmonton's numbers). Hubbing customers aren't lost, only people that drive to Calgary are lost truely.

I think the loss to Calgary numbers are much lower than what many people at the ERAA and just general Edmontonians think. 3 hours is a long drive, and I would be surprised if the number I predicted isn't even a big overshot.

Actually, in this numbers game, 600,000 passengers = 1.2 Million "passengers" as enplanned and deplanned passengers in hubs are double counted. So, the numeric "loss" is always greater than the actual number of physical beings. That inflates Calgary's numbers.

As for the ERAA numbers, they come from more than anecdotal evidence and common sense. They've commissioned independant studies in the past and have back up information from other sources. The numbers are extrapolated and approximate.

As for 3 hours being "long". 3 hours is the time that I will still drive over fly...given check in, parking, security, etc.

tuffyy · #**1663** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 8:10 PM**

Dansk, is clearly from the center of the universe...

Dare I say Calgary!!!

I am sorry your right dansk, we will never ever be anything like you...

LOL.

Oh how fun 2008 is gonna be.

ZiZiPop · #**1664** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 8:30 PM**

When is the anouncement?

Edmonchuck · #**1665** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 10:07 PM**

just after you explode from anticipation.

feepa · #**1666** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 11:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Edmonchuck

just after you explode from anticipation.

I was hoping for just before myself...

KrisYYC · #**1667** Posted **Jan 19, 2008, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by tuffyy

Dansk, is clearly from the center of the universe...

Dare I say Calgary!!!

I am sorry your right dansk, we will never ever be anything like you...

LOL.

Oh how fun 2008 is gonna be.

So are you saying that this new announcement will double YEG's passenger numbers??? That's what it would take to be up to par with YYC.

Plus15 · #**1668** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by KrisYYC

So are you saying that this new announcement will double YEG's passenger numbers??? That's what it would take to be up to par with YYC.

I don't think this announcement could possibly live up to the hype being generated. These days its practically sounding like YEG will usurp YVR in one fell swoop.

eemy · #**1669** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 3:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Plus15

I don't think this announcement could possibly live up to the hype being generated. These days its practically sounding like YEG will usurp YVR in one fell swoop.

Yeah, this announcement is going to have to be quite incredible. I recall awhile ago on another forum, someone apparently had insider knowledge that YEG was supposed to receive a direct flight to FRA in 2007 (or something like that), generating a flurry of talk. Then, lo and behold, 2007 went by and nothing happened. And of course, the guy who knew for a fact that this was happening was nowhere to be found. Ever since then, I've learned to digest this sort of news with a gigantic grain of salt. Until the company (whichever it is) has a news release, it ain't happening.

rapid_business · #**1670** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 3:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Plus15

I don't think this announcement could possibly live up to the hype being generated. These days its practically sounding like YEG will usurp YVR in one fell swoop.

and YYZ...combined.

KrisYYC · #**1671** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 4:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

Yeah, this announcement is going to have to be quite incredible. I recall awhile ago on another forum, someone apparently had insider knowledge that YEG was supposed to receive a direct flight to FRA in 2007 (or something like that), generating a flurry of talk. Then, lo and behold, 2007 went by and nothing happened. And of course, the guy who knew for a fact that this was happening was nowhere to be found. Ever since then, I've learned to digest this sort of news with a gigantic grain of salt. Until the company (whichever it is) has a news release, it ain't happening.

That was Wolsingerjet over at Airliners.net if I recall correctly. He even bet another user a case of beer

Of course, since no announcement, and to add insult to injury LH announced YYC-FRA he decided to go into hiding. But I have a hunch he came back with the user name "Flyb"

I know YEGers get mad when other people piss on the party, but there's been so many of these "for sure" announcements regarding YEG that never materialize that it's getting really hard to take any of them even remotely seriously.

I hope YEG gets more flights. The more business to Alberta the better.

Kris

ZiZiPop · #**1672** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 5:08 AM**

Funny, the tantrum doesn't work with my daughter either.

I don't think anyone expects any anouncment to bring YEG on par with YYC. That would be unreasonable. After all, it took Calgary a few years to go from 6mil to 12mil and I don't think Edmonoton will do it quite as quickly. Will YEG ever pass YYC? Who knows? Not in the near future, but 20 years from now? Maybe.

Most (if not all) of the hype has been generated from speculation and people having fun with the guessing game. Any anouncment that has the potential to make YYC jealous, as hinted at, will only be giving YEG somthing that they don't already have.

CMD UW · #**1673** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 5:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

6 million pax is still great for a city of this size. If more and more people stop flying from here to Calgary and then to there destination, our airport will soon be on par with YYC

On par, no...close the gap, yes. Calgary's larger corporate presence and gateway to the Rockies is a draw that YEG just can't compete with.

CanadianCentaur · #**1674** Posted **Jan 20, 2008, 9:57 PM**

Apart from a few international flights, about the only thing that I could consider truly incredible off the top of my head is the city and ERAA agreeing to close the damned City Centre Airport much, much sooner than expected.

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Originally Posted by ZiZiPop

I don't think anyone expects any anouncment to bring YEG on par with YYC. That would be unreasonable. After all, it took Calgary a few years to go from 6mil to 12mil and I don't think Edmonoton will do it quite as quickly. Will YEG ever pass YYC? Who knows? Not in the near future, but 20 years from now? Maybe.

FYI, YYC was handling 6 million pax/year way back around mid-1995. This means it took about 12 years for YYC to go from 6 million to 12 million. YEG might be even faster, because Alberta's and Edmonton's economies are growing even faster compared to a decade ago.

The EAA's latest prediction is for 9 million pax/year by 2012, so this assumes a growth rate of roughly 615,000 -625,000 pax/year. (yes, that's really lowballing it!) That's at or close to 12 million passenger by 2016, or 8 years from now. I have a feeling that their prediction of 9 million might be a bit conservative, but this is understandable, as a lot can change within the airline industry. But like you said, that doesn't mean YEG will catch up to YYC anytime soon!

Edmonchuck · #**1675** Posted **Jan 21, 2008, 1:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by Plus15

I don't think this announcement could possibly live up to the hype being generated. These days its practically sounding like YEG will usurp YVR in one fell swoop.

le sigh

People people people, your scope is too narrow!

No one said ANYTHING about usurping. Y'all came to that lil' ol' conclusion by yer lil' selves. It's more about legitimacy, expansion, and becoming a bigger player, and maybe a dominant player in certain areas. From backwater to mainpage.

IKAN104 · #**1676** Posted **Jan 21, 2008, 4:28 AM**

So has the hotel firmed up a construction start date yet?

rapid_business · #**1677** Posted **Jan 21, 2008, 12:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Edmonchuck

It's more about legitimacy, expansion, and becoming a bigger player, and maybe a dominant player in certain areas. From backwater to mainpage.

I like the sound of that.

Plus15 · #**1678** Posted **Jan 21, 2008, 1:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Edmonchuck

le sigh

People people people, your scope is too narrow!

No one said ANYTHING about usurping. Y'all came to that lil' ol' conclusion by yer lil' selves. It's more about legitimacy, expansion, and becoming a bigger player, and maybe a dominant player in certain areas. From backwater to mainpage.

I'm glad thats cleared up then. I'll get back to blowing my jug and playing the fiddle.

Edmonchuck · #**1679** Posted **Jan 21, 2008, 5:38 PM**

no, washboards...

Seriously though, I quoted yours since it was the latest in a long string of questions of airline hub moves,taking over other statuses, and becoming Pearson overnight followed by the needed sarcastic comment on how impossible any good news at YEG is.

Kevin_foster · #**1680** Posted **Jan 21, 2008, 5:41 PM**

I still want Newfangled's space port. :|