Calgary International Airport II - Page 76

#**1501** Posted **Aug 2, 2014, 12:10 AM**

I wouldn't have a problem with that. Better than everybody getting dinged and having them incorporate it into the AIF or something.

casper · #**1502** Posted **Aug 2, 2014, 3:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Full Mountain

ah, seems like there should be some sort of competitive process though. Granting rights is typically a great way for partisan politics to get in the way.

Air Canada uses a small number of the rights it has.

For a list: https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/bahamas

This is not something new. Westjet has been serving international destinations for several years now. I think they have some type of process where the airlines can submit requests and they try to be fair.

Full Mountain · #**1503** Posted **Aug 2, 2014, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

Could not decide whether to put this article into YYC Airport forum or Public Transit forum. Decided the Policy Wonk vs the world bun fight would cause the Public Transit enthusiasts heads to explode.

Full link to the TorStar article: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/08/...de_a_fee_in_lieu_of_airport_parking.html

Basic run down is that YYZ is getting a a downtown to airport express rail service. The airport authority has mandated that each rail ticket include $1.85 charge in lieu of parking revenue (cover lost parking revenue). The transit geeks are furious.

My thoughts are in agreement with the GTAA. There is a surcharge for taxi fares leaving the airport so a same fee should apply to the rail link. $1.85 is less than $4 taxi charge. Ultimately the airport is not funding the rail link and if the rail link wants to come to the airport, they should be prepared to pay fair charges.

Getting into this with the YYC instance. The YYC airport should consider public transit pax the same as others and surcharge accordingly.

I know I am going to get burned in effigy for this post.

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

If this was communicated better I doubt there would be any issue. Did Metrolinx pay anything for the land? If not, this is the land rent.

I can understand the rent part, but framing it as a way to make up for parking revenue is BS if they want parking revenue (same applies to YYC) then they can pay for the roads leading to the airport. Transit is far more efficient at moving people than vehicle, it's time people who encourage SOV use (malls, airports, etc.) to pay for some of the costs associated with the use. Particularly if they are going to actively discourage transit use as is the case here.

Riise · #**1504** Posted **Aug 2, 2014, 9:13 PM**

I have to agree with Full Mountain. The airport also generates externalities and may not like where the internalization game might go.

YYCguys · #**1505** Posted **Aug 4, 2014, 6:05 PM**

$20-$30 for the UP fare in Toronto?!?!? Outrageous! Why so bloody expensive? The Canada Line in Vancouver charges way less than that, even with the Airport surcharge! And if the Airport Express busses are going to be cancelled, I can just see how happy tourists and business folks will be to have to shlep their bags between the hotel and the station. And given those prices, airport/airline staff will still be stuck with the current commute with multiple transfers. What a mess this is!

Full Mountain · #**1506** Posted **Aug 4, 2014, 6:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

$20-$30 for the UP fare in Toronto?!?!? Outrageous! Why so bloody expensive? The Canada Line in Vancouver charges way less than that, even with the Airport surcharge! And if the Airport Express busses are going to be cancelled, I can just see how happy tourists and business folks will be to have to shlep their bags between the hotel and the station. And given those prices, airport/airline staff will still be stuck with the current commute with multiple transfers. What a mess this is!

There's a funny point, a large majority of the people using this type of service in NA are people who's place of employment is at the airport and who likely wouldn't drive anyway. So really this is a cash grab by the airport to ensure that their profit keeps flowing.

Maybe if the federal government could get off the cash cow that are our airports and stop charging exorbitant rent and fees the authorities wouldn't need to constantly figure out new ways of making money.

MalcolmTucker · #**1507** Posted **Aug 4, 2014, 6:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

$20-$30 for the UP fare in Toronto?!?!? Outrageous! Why so bloody expensive? The Canada Line in Vancouver charges way less than that, even with the Airport surcharge! And if the Airport Express busses are going to be cancelled, I can just see how happy tourists and business folks will be to have to shlep their bags between the hotel and the station. And given those prices, airport/airline staff will still be stuck with the current commute with multiple transfers. What a mess this is!

In Vancouver you pay part of your fare via the airport improvement fee. In Toronto you pay part of the airport improvement fee with your fare, plus the capital and operating costs of the line so the average citizens aren't subsidizing high flying business executives. The political craziness wrought by people backing onto the GO/freight line in the Weston area has caused a lot of accommodation, including a stop in their neighbourhood that no one will use (instead of a couple streets south intersecting with the Eglinton LRT), and the no subsidy pledge.

One of the TTC LRT lines is supposed to run to the airport in a later phase.

Canadian74 · #**1508** Posted **Aug 4, 2014, 9:46 PM**

A few YYC construction photos by me.......

YYC New Terminal Construction by LH495, on Flickr

Johnny Aussie · #**1509** Posted **Aug 4, 2014, 10:56 PM**

UK provisional stats have been released for June.

LHR grew by 3,362 passengers compared to June 2013. With AC's increase from the 333 to the 77W that would have added 5,940 seats. So a decent absorption of 66% of the additional capacity.

LF would be ~ 86.5% which is very good.

Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_dat...014_Provisional_International_Routes.csv

TS is definitely down overall though on most routes. MAN-YYC and GLA-YYC were up but most TS routes showed a decline in June 2014 compared to 2013.

MrBigStuff · #**1510** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 2:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nick

I like how the news stories about the dismantling of the old cab say how thousands of successful landings and takeoffs were handled by that tower. At over 200k movements per year it's easily over 5 million. Just like how people brag how the new runway is the longest in Canada. Where is the former longest runway in Canada? Well it's a mile west of the new one.

Speaking of this one that's a mile west of the new one ( runway that is ) when is this one to close for a remake???
Also - how long will it take???

MrBigStuff · #**1511** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Full Mountain

There's a funny point, a large majority of the people using this type of service in NA are people who's place of employment is at the airport and who likely wouldn't drive anyway. So really this is a cash grab by the airport to ensure that their profit keeps flowing.

Maybe if the federal government could get off the cash cow that are our airports and stop charging exorbitant rent and fees the authorities wouldn't need to constantly figure out new ways of making money.

Wouldn't it be incredible as to what private industry & commerce could do if there wasn't so much gouging and interference by various levels of government!?!?!?

MasterG · #**1512** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 10:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by MrBigStuff

Wouldn't it be incredible as to what private industry & commerce could do if there wasn't so much gouging and interference by various levels of government!?!?!?

Wouldn't it be amazing if the government actually stood up for normal people and encouraged efficient and fair transportation systems that optimized efficiency and affordability for all allowing those without a car to access the airport every bit as efficiently and affordably as those with?

The day the government stops charging so much for things like airport taxes of whatever they are called is the day that the airport becomes the wealthiest, most profitable industry in the city.

I've never heard of a private industry that reduced it's prices in any substantive way because it got a tax break. Same pie, just divided more towards business instead of government. Regular people and commuters would get screwed just the same as always.

Bigtime · #**1513** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 2:20 PM**

Looks like a LOT 787 is enroute to YYC right now, currently west of Greenland.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LOT9001

horrorshow · #**1514** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 2:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Looks like a LOT 787 is enroute to YYC right now, currently west of Greenland.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LOT9001

This may be a stupid question, but is this a cargo flight? If so, do you know if it is a regular route?

MalcolmTucker · #**1515** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 2:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by MasterG

Wouldn't it be amazing if the government actually stood up for normal people and encouraged efficient and fair transportation systems that optimized efficiency and affordability for all allowing those without a car to access the airport every bit as efficiently and affordably as those with?

Lowering the price to be 'affordable to all' transfers wealth from the middle class to the upper income tier. Better to set a recovery price and give rebates to low income earners, like the City of Calgary is trying to do with transit passes.

And until we are talking about kilometer fees based on congestion, optimized efficiency is a pipe dream. (though I guess you could just be universally punitive and set gas taxes sky high)

Bigtime · #**1516** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by horrorshow

This may be a stupid question, but is this a cargo flight? If so, do you know if it is a regular route?

This is not a regular (scheduled flight), and would not just be cargo (as all 787's are passenger models).

This must be a charter flight, seeing where it departs YYC to will probably help narrow down who for.

Spring2008 · #**1517** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 3:18 PM**

I dropped off a friend at YYC over the weekend, what a massive construction zone in and around the airport. Can't wait until the new terminal opens.

Also, thought we were supposed to be getting regular scheduled 787 flights?

Bigtime · #**1518** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

Also, thought we were supposed to be getting regular scheduled 787 flights?

British Airways is supposed to be switching over the LHR from the 767 to the 787, they keep delaying it though due to delays on deliveries of the plane to them. I think it is not switching over until late September/early October.

Spring2008 · #**1519** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 3:31 PM**

Oh I see, is it just the LHR flight then that we're getting the 787?

Canadian74 · #**1520** Posted **Aug 5, 2014, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

Oh I see, is it just the LHR flight then that we're getting the 787?

For now yes. But as Air Canada gets more 787s some of their international flights from here will also get them. Flights like NRT. LHR in winter etc.