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Originally Posted by laniroj
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I sort of see what you're saying, but I guess I just wouldn't consider any of these examples to be "interwoven" with the ranch homes in any way. If you look at these properties on a
zoning map, you can clearly see that the properties you cited are clustered around the edges of the ranch home neighborhoods, or along collector streets like Pierce or Olde Wadsworth.
I'd also point out that the structures shown in the links you provided are generally from the 1970s or earlier, and are in locations that were earlier country roads that already had a mix of uses. I think I'm starting to see what you're saying about 90s era rezonings that essentially spot-zoned individual parcels to lock in the use that was already happening there (an inappropriate use of zoning if you ask me). But these areas have pre-war land use patterns that are different from the acres and acres of tract homes that started going up in the 1950s. For the record, Denver zones this way too, most recently in the 2010 form-based update that carved out lot-specific MS or MX zones for existing commercial structures in residential neighborhoods - essentially locking in a 1930s land use pattern without acknowledging the flexibility in zoning (i.e. no zoning at all) that allowed these patterns to emerge in the first place.
When I mentioned 1950s ranch homes, I was talking about streets
like this one, which were platted and zoned exclusively for single family homes ever since the subdivision was originally approved (in the 1950s). In my mind, streets and neighborhoods where higher-density structures are truly "interwoven" in with single-family homes are more like
this one.
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Originally Posted by laniroj
I've heard this argument, mainly made by city/county officials in zoning hearings, more times I care to recite. It's fundamentally untrue and it's one of the AWFUL side effects of our Tabor/Gallagher extravaganza. They see the higher assessment rate and lower emergency response burden for commercial properties and assume that equates to higher sales tax base. It's one of the reasons retail is SPREAD SO THIN in our state. We have a self cannibalizing's retail market here. The new overtakes the old which becomes unusable and obsolete. Instead, if we had much higher residential densities, our retail would become much more valuable and sustainable and lead to much higher retail lease rates due to higher per square foot sales. Get more tax revenue out of the same retail infrastructure that's already in place. Think NYC with per square foot sales of $2,000-$3,000/sf vs Denver at maybe $600/sf.
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You are definitely correct this is a side effect of Tabor/Gallagher, and it is extremely unfortunate. It leads to suburbs thinking that they need to discourage population growth unless they get new retail (which you correctly observe they will never get without higher population densities). As unfortunate as it is, economic development departments convey this message to potential developers all the time to discourage applications for rezoning.
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Originally Posted by bunt_q
Anyways, what I am saying is I do not want to buy the support of District 19 by focusing on core cities, excusing Arvada from responsibility. I would rather have no bill than the one you are advocating for.
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I think "advocating for" might be a bit of a strong statement. I was posing the question for discussion. The bill that was actually on the table already carved up Colorado into 4 different categories (Tier 1, Tier 2, Resort Community, and everywhere else) with different rules for different contexts. I'm just not sure that they categorized everyone correctly.
I'm also not completely convinced that outer-ring suburbs
need this upzoning right now as much as neighborhoods that are closer-in to transit or already have good walkability do. So maybe the last version of the house bill was essentially correct - just base it on proximity to transit and don't try to pick winners and losers at all. Those who live far away from transit would have nothing to fear - and mandating middle-housing near transit would upzone pretty much all of a community like Boulder.
But I'm all for a solution that applies equally to everyone.
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Originally Posted by Cirrus
How about a transect-based rule that defines a dozen or so levels of density, and requires the next higher one to be legal by right on all properties statewide, at all times?
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Now this is something I could definitely get on board with. The more time passes, the more that I think zoning should always allow for this "next level" of density so we don't constantly have to fight this battle. Zoning should protect health and safety, not prevent cities from growing incrementally the way they always have grown. Nobody's health or safety is legitimately threatened by a duplex going up next door.