Canadian Federal Election

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

If PP loses the election, loses, and refuses to step down, there will be a mutiny. This election was his to lose, on top of having a 25 point lead. He's finished in politics, if the Conservatives lose the election.

If they lose this election there is likely to be an absolute blood bath in the party. It will be mostly circumstances but some words from smart journalists like Chantal Hebert did warn that his attitude would make him vulnerable if things ever got tighter and I think that is correct.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

If they lose this election there is likely to be an absolute blood bath in the party. It will be mostly circumstances but some words from smart journalists like Chantal Hebert did warn that his attitude would make him vulnerable if things ever got tighter and I think that is correct.

She is one of a very few voices I take notice of. There was a French woman (big fro) from Le Devoir? who really did some research and put some thought into her answers. She made the rest of the panel look lazy.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by elly63

She is one of a very few voices I take notice of. There was a French woman (big fro) from Le Devoir? who really did some research and put some thought into her answers. She made the rest of the panel look lazy.

Was that her?

https://www.ledevoir.com/auteur/emilie-nicolas

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

Was that her?

https://www.ledevoir.com/auteur/emilie-nicolas

My guess is it was her.

Ironically she is considered one of the most woke commentators in Québec.

She would feel right at home on an American university campus as you can name anything that comes out of there she will espouse it.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Ironically she is considered one of the most woke commentators in Québec.

You would think so looking at her but she was fair when I saw her and that's all I ask.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

If they lose this election there is likely to be an absolute blood bath in the party. It will be mostly circumstances but some words from smart journalists like Chantal Hebert did warn that his attitude would make him vulnerable if things ever got tighter and I think that is correct.

Chantal Hebert is one of the GOATS. She used to make the “At Issue Panel” must watch TV… haven’t watched it in years.

Quite a lot of Boomers can’t stand PP… and even if many of them have fond memories of the Harper years, Mark Carney had a much more important role than Pierre Poilievre did.

I don’t think PP exactly has a switch he can turn off where he suddenly becomes polite, affable, or even tolerable 😅

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by elly63

Gets more like Kamala 2.0 every minute. Can I assume there will be a coronation err convention?

These are the rules... this is the system... fix the system if you don't like it... it would work the same for any other party.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Chantal Hebert is one of the GOATS. She used to make the “At Issue Panel” must watch TV… haven’t watched it in years.

Quite a lot of Boomers can’t stand PP… and even if many of them have fond memories of the Harper years, Mark Carney had a much more important role than Pierre Poilievre did.

I don’t think PP exactly has a switch he can turn off where he suddenly becomes polite, affable, or even tolerable 😅

Pierre tried smiling for a couple days during his Ottawa rally - that seems to have been a hard task because he's back to raging.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by elly63

You would think so looking at her but she was fair when I saw her and that's all I ask.

I am not basing this on what she looks like at all. But on what she has said and written in the past.

[Taeolas]

Well the radio ads have changed a bit. He's still pushing "Carbon tax Carney" despite Carney already saying the tax is gone. But whatevers.

He's also trying to tie Carney to the Puppet Felon, something about moving businesses to the States years ago or something. Don't think it will really gain any traction and could be dangerous, given how people associate PP to the Felon already.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

Well the radio ads have changed a bit. He's still pushing "Carbon tax Carney" despite Carney already saying the tax is gone. But whatevers.

He's also trying to tie Carney to the Puppet Felon, something about moving businesses to the States years ago or something. Don't think it will really gain any traction and could be dangerous, given how people associate PP to the Felon already.

The biggest change I’ve noticed is on social media. Usually the first, top rated comment on anything the PM posts on instagram or Facebook is something like “resign button———>” or something else extremely vitriolic. But I haven’t really noticed those type of comments anymore since he announced his resignation, and especially so since Trump’s insane antics about Canada becoming the 51st state.

That definitely sounds like a dangerous strategy, since more and and people are questioning if PP would sellout Canada to Trump, and many already see PP as, “Canada’s Trump”.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

These are the rules... this is the system... fix the system if you don't like it... it would work the same for any other party.

The system is actually better now than it used to be, too. Almost anyone is free to join a party and participate in their leadership election process, unlike before with the delegated conventions. I just got my email last night to start the process for this race. I did the same for the 2022 CPC leadership as well as the 2018 PC Ontario leadership. Have also got involved in some candidate nomination elections at the riding level over the years.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I would like to hear their position on building up our armed forces, and increasing our defence budget.

It doesn't get a lot of media. but if the current military realignment moves forward by both we should more than meet our NATO commitment and increase of military size. Based on what I am seeing in the real world procurements is way up. New construction is just ramping up into the billions across the country. Just in Alberta Every base other than Camp Wainwright has massive building starting up. Edmonton is also getting an AF station at YEG.

And with the announcement of new submarines that would take the budget higher.

What I would like to see is a real commitment to the Arctic. PP has said he would increase the Rangers ( Problem is there is only so many people up there). and both Parties have totally fd up the artic base. Inuvik's FOL could be expanded along with the one in Iqaluit. Increasing ground troops is tougher but All NATO militaries are having a hard time recruiting right now.

Just to clarify FOL (Forward Operating Locations), there are 4 of them in the north. Inuvik, Yellowknife, Rankin Inlet and Iqaluit. These are forward Fighter based that can house a number of fighters and personnel.They were built over 20 years ago and have been used by the RCAF and National Guard units but would need major upgrade for the new generation of fighters.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by someone123

Again it's based on little information but my prior assumption going into an election campaign is Mark Carney would be the more impressive candidate than Pierre Poilievre, who previously only had to look passable against a baseline of Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh.

I think even JT is looking better against Trump in 2025. We all suspected a Trump presidency would be better for JT and the LPC, but how exactly was up in the air.

In that respect, CPC/PP have had equal time to prepare for Trump and appeared to have dropped the ball so far. Continuing to focus on the carbon tax is a poor read of the room.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Chantal Hebert is one of the GOATS. She used to make the “At Issue Panel” must watch TV… haven’t watched it in years.

Quite a lot of Boomers can’t stand PP… and even if many of them have fond memories of the Harper years, Mark Carney had a much more important role than Pierre Poilievre did.

I don’t think PP exactly has a switch he can turn off where he suddenly becomes polite, affable, or even tolerable 😅

She is on a new panel with Peter Mansbridge hosting that is still watchable. It's on youtube as Goodtalk and is live at 1pm Fridays. He's getting a bit old but she is as sharp as ever.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

Well the radio ads have changed a bit. He's still pushing "Carbon tax Carney" despite Carney already saying the tax is gone. But whatevers.

He's also trying to tie Carney to the Puppet Felon, something about moving businesses to the States years ago or something. Don't think it will really gain any traction and could be dangerous, given how people associate PP to the Felon already.

Carney is not saying it is gone. He is saying he will tax producers of things such as steel but that won't impact consumers since we don't use much steel in our lives. The election is unlikely to be a carbon tax election but if Poilievre can frame our vulnerability as something that comes from the self destructive hate for primary industry that the Liberals have exuded he could make some headway with those of us on the fence who want economic development, want government spending to be reined in but not excessive cuts. Maybe it's only a few points mostly with the cons but a wholesale shift of these 2019 still Liberal voters could be important.

[Marshsparrow]

And when Pierre says he is scapping the carbon tax I am not certain how he can claim this because I think many of our trade agreements have some form of obligation for price on pollution - so is he planning to renegotiate trade agrements when we need these even more now than ever?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

And when Pierre says he is scapping the carbon tax I am not certain how he can claim this because I think many of our trade agreements have some form of obligation for price on pollution - so is he planning to renegotiate trade agrements when we need these even more now than ever?

The only agreement with such text is the Ukraine agreement, which is still pretty vague.

6. Each Party shall endeavour to find innovative solutions to mitigate and adapt to the effects of climate change, including through the use of market-based approaches and trade-related climate measures to achieve overall green growth objectives.

None of our major trading partners has a carbon tax.

[elly63]

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[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I think even JT is looking better against Trump in 2025.

I doubt it. Justin has publicly provoked Trump many times now to boast his cred amongst the LPC base, which is as disastrous as his handling of the India diplomatic relationship.

At least Carney has a clean slate, and there's no personal irritant between him and Trump. At least it's believable that Carney and Trump will have a professional relationship, even if it's not warm.