Canadian Federal Election

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Plenty of time to run those in a theoretical election campaign. It just reeks of desperation that's all.

Seems more proactive than desperate.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by samne

I’d love to hear Carney say on record that he’d stay on as Liberal leader if PP wins. He’ll bolt rather than sit in opposition.

I'd love to hear PP answer the same question.

I can't believe anybody would run for the LPC now and not assume they'll sit in opposition for 4 years.

[samne]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'd love to hear PP answer the same question.

I can't believe anybody would run for the LPC now and not assume they'll sit in opposition for 4 years.

PP has been in opposition for 10 years. Carney only jumps in as anointed PM without even the hassle of one day in Parliament.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by samne

PP has been in opposition for 10 years. Carney only jumps in as anointed PM without even the hassle of one day in Parliament.

Yeah, and? Will PP give up if he doesn't win in 2025?

Or will the CPC yoink him out like they did with the last 2 guys that lost?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by samne

Conservatives are not naive about this really is Carney being anointed as PM by the Liberals. The rest is theatre.

Gets more like Kamala 2.0 every minute. Can I assume there will be a coronation err convention?

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Just got another one: "Carbon Tax Carney. He's just like Justin."

Worthless ad.

Worthless is right. Every other ad on Youtube is a "carbon tax Carney" one and every time I see them I am truly dumb founded at how out of touch the Tories have become.

The carbon-tax was hated by Canadians but not because we necessarily had an issue with taxing higher GHG emitters but rather it was strongly associated with our soaring cost of living and housing..........it was like rubbing salt in an open wound. Now, it's not even in the top 5 of Canadian's priorities yet it seems to be the only topic the Tories still want to talk about. How they could be caught so off guard and being so unwilling to get off script is quite shocking.

Still, it is one thing to become the Leader of a Party and de-facto PM and quite another to run a national campaign, try to convince the public you are different from the Liberal who have held power for a decade, being able to communicate your ideas effectively, be effective in a debates in both official languages, and raise the money needed for a campaign in such a short amount of time especially following a leadership review which always drains Party coffers. PP has none of these issues while Carney has all of them to contend with and very little time to do it.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by trueviking

tell me you get your opinions from social media without telling me you get your opinions from social media.

Oh, I use to believe that Singh postponing elections for his pension was just an attack on him, but the more he did it, especially last fall when it would have been the perfect time to do so, the more I started to doubt his motives. Now, he might have doomed his party.

BTW, I am not on social media except a couple of forums including this one.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by trueviking

i'm going to guess that one in a thousand people remember that was a campaign promise ten years ago....i'm a big political guy and I didn't.

I guess this is why the LPC keep getting elected then.

I'm also a "big political guy" and remember it distinctly. It's been mentioned here a few times over the years amongst a long list of things Trudeau promised only to do the exact opposite when in power (cutting down on non permanent residents being another one). Trudeau promised infrastructure and economic growth, instead we got bloat of bureaucracy and per capita economic contraction while services have generally gotten worse.

[trueviking]

^ as i said....maybe you remember it.....most don't, so it has no impact on distancing himself from Trudeau....

He doesn't really need to do that anyways....he has to show why he is better than the guy who has never had a job....that's who he is running against....polls are already showing that people don't link Carney to Trudeau...as much as Pierre tries.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

Oh, I use to believe that Singh postponing elections for his pension was just an attack on him, but the more he did it, especially last fall when it would have been the perfect time to do so, the more I started to doubt his motives. Now, he might have doomed his party.

BTW, I am not on social media except a couple of forums including this one.

ridiculous conservative rage baiting....last fall was not a good time for the NDP to call an election....it was a good time for the Conservatives to call one.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by trueviking

ridiculous conservative rage baiting....last fall was not a good time for the NDP to call an election....it was a good time for the Conservatives to call one.

If the NDP had called an election last fall instead of holding on the hope they could impose the Liberals more programs we cant afford, they would still be relevant today in the House of Commons. After next election, it is not so sure.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ as i said....maybe you remember it.....most don't, so it has no impact on distancing himself from Trudeau....

He doesn't really need to do that anyways....he has to show why he is better than the guy who has never had a job....that's who he is running against....polls are already showing that people don't link Carney to Trudeau...as much as Pierre tries.

And like I said, it's been brought up a few times on this forum. Find it hard to believe most Canadian's don't remember "the budget will balance itself".

Regardless, it provides context to Carney's promise and how serious we should take him. As in not at all.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by theman23

And like I said, it's been brought up a few times on this forum. Find it hard to believe most Canadian's don't remember "the budget will balance itself".

Regardless, it provides context to Carney's promise and how serious we should take him. As in not at all.

I remember the soundbite and the full quote:

“The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy and the budget will balance itself,” Mr. Trudeau responded.

Which is basically what PP wants to do, except he'll do it by cutting taxes. Sometimes that works, mostly it doesn't.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Yeah, and? Will PP give up if he doesn't win in 2025?

Or will the CPC yoink him out like they did with the last 2 guys that lost?

If PP loses the election, loses, and refuses to step down, there will be a mutiny. This election was his to lose, on top of having a 25 point lead. He's finished in politics, if the Conservatives lose the election.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I remember the soundbite and the full quote:



Which is basically what PP wants to do, except he'll do it by cutting taxes. Sometimes that works, mostly it doesn't.

Yes, the idea was that he would invest in critical infrastructure with hope that the economic growth would pay dividends. It's explained in the link I posted. "The budget balancing itself" was an unfortunate turn of phrase that was mocked by the Conservatives, but a lot of reasonable people thought the plan had a good chance of working. Unfortunately, it was one of many broken promises from Trudeau. The only thing strategic about the deficits was where the pork was sent.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by trueviking

He doesn't really need to do that anyways....he has to show why he is better than the guy who has never had a job....that's who he is running against....polls are already showing that people don't link Carney to Trudeau...as much as Pierre tries.

I honestly will be shocked, if Poilivere comes back, and wins. People will vote Conservative in spite of him, not because of him. Polling shows that his is massively unpopular, and Carney is popular with Canadians.

As I said before, the Trump issue will likely decide the election, and the Liberals are running with it, and closing the gap. PP has to pivot in a direction, to convince Canadians he will stand up to Trump, without alienating his base, where 1/2 of them have a positive view of Trump for unknown reasons. I honestly do not think he can pull it off.

The media scrum he gave, barring most mainstream media, while allowing independent media like Rebel News, True North and co. to launch incredibly softball questions to him, will likely backfire.

https://x.com/mickeysplasht/status/1892666242961404072

[ssiguy]

A few months ago, when Trudeau still said he was going to lead the Liberals into the next election, I was voting PP without hesitation. Now that he has resigned and Carney is the heir apparent, I am unsure.

The person who will get my vote is the one that comes out with a CLEAR plan on how to tackle Trump and has a vision of how we are going to stand up to him and greatly diversify our export market with all the national infrastructure needed to do it and that goes way beyond Energy East. I don't want to hear misty generalities like "put Canada first" but rather concrete plans on how to completely reorient our trading partners and political alliances.

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

The person who will get my vote is the one that comes out with a CLEAR plan on how to tackle Trump and has a vision of how we are going to stand up to him and greatly diversify our export market with all the national infrastructure needed to do it and that goes way beyond Energy East.

I don't think either of them have really put together enough of a cogent plan on that front yet. But my assumption, at the moment, is that Carney would be preferable on this front. His international finance experience seems a clear asset in negotiating with allies, particularly if we're trying to reimagine our global trading relationships. Poilievre seems a lot more at ease on the domestic front; it is much easier to see Carney on the world stage.

(I'm aware of course that this is to some degree based on my vibes about the pair of them.)

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

I don't think either of them have really put together enough of a cogent plan on that front yet.

I would like to hear their position on building up our armed forces, and increasing our defence budget.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

A few months ago, when Trudeau still said he was going to lead the Liberals into the next election, I was voting PP without hesitation.

I feel like it is too early to decide how to vote, but my high level view is that the Liberals have been headed in a bad direction since the pandemic. I am not a Conservative supporter or PP fan, but I would have a higher tolerance for voting for them in order to bring about a course correction.

However, the Liberals have course-corrected somewhat and there will be a new leader, so it's not a given that the Cons will need to win to bring about an end to those policies.

Again it's based on little information but my prior assumption going into an election campaign is Mark Carney would be the more impressive candidate than Pierre Poilievre, who previously only had to look passable against a baseline of Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh.