HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1081  
Old Posted Jun 16, 2025, 9:44 PM
zzptichka zzptichka is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Outaouias
Posts: 2,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketphish View Post
Revitalizing Public Space in the ByWard Market

New public engagement sessions announced:

https://engage.ottawa.ca/bywardmarket/ne...r-online-for-a-public-engagement-session
Wow they are going on tour!
Quote:
In-person public engagement booths
Visit us at:

Minto Recreation Complex(External link) (3500 Cambrian Road) - June 17, 4:30 pm to 8:30 pm
François Dupuis Recreation Centre(External link) (2263 Portobello Boulevard) - June 18, 4:30 pm to 8:30 pm
Richcraft Recreation Complex-Kanata(External link) (4101 Innovation Drive) - June 20, 4:30 pm to 8:30 pm
ByWard Market(External link) (55 ByWard Market Square) inside or outside depending on weather:
June 19, 4:30 pm to 8:30 pm
June 21, 11 am to 3 pm
Manotick Community Centre and Mike O’Neil Arena(External link) (5572 Doctor Leach Drive) - June 23, 4 pm to 8 pm
I hope they are working on material for the next album. Err I mean round of public consultations.
__________________
My aerial Ottawa photos on Flickr 📷
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1082  
Old Posted Jun 16, 2025, 9:55 PM
kwoldtimer kwoldtimer is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La vraie capitale
Posts: 26,196
More discussion. Just what the Market needs, in true Ottawa fashion. Maybe they can also form a committee.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1083  
Old Posted Jun 18, 2025, 12:44 PM
McDonald's Racoon McDonald's Racoon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 163
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1084  
Old Posted Jun 18, 2025, 1:18 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,676
Quote:
Originally Posted by McDonald's Racoon View Post
The plan is not but the consultations are imminent. It's lack of pedestrian ambition is sad but understandable. Personally I understand the desire to maintain parking for the businesses who are struggling. I'd suggest closing York and George Streets at William street as a small addition. This could even add a few spots in the dead portion beyond Byward market. Allow William to be a true walk only route through the market. Do we really need through traffic on George or York Street? Understanding it would cause some congestion from the circling for free parking crowd especially initially. But the upside to the vibe could be substantial to the plaza on both sides of the market building.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1085  
Old Posted Jun 18, 2025, 2:06 PM
Richard Eade Richard Eade is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nepean
Posts: 2,625
My preference would still be to put a ton of parking underground and make the entire surface for pedestrians.


Green is underground parking. Red and Fuchsia are ramps.

Start today with either York or George, then move on to the other once some of the underground parking is available.

On the diagram, I missed displaying the opportunity to add parking under the parking structure on George, when it is redeveloped. If kept as a parkade, it would have its access from the underground, parking, level, with no vehicle access from the pedestrian level, at grade. There could also be a tie-in to the William Street parkade, so that those at-grade roads can be pedestrianized.

I wouldn’t be cheap, but if the City is serious about ‘saving’ the By Ward Market, then it has to spend serious money to make it appealing and accessible – including for cars.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1086  
Old Posted Jun 18, 2025, 2:48 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is online now
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,576
It's a good idea. I'd drop the notion of including William St. in this proposal. Too expensive for too few additional parking spots along this narrow strip. And yes, I would definitely add the entire block under the existing parking structure across York St. from the Byward Market building, as it's supposed to be replaced by a "destination building" at some point.

One issue I see is that both vehicular access points are provided via Sussex Dr. I think it would be better if they were on opposite sides of the underground parking facility, for safety reasons, and to distribute the traffic load. Perhaps on York St., as depicted, and the other on Parent Ave., which would make access from Murray and St. Patrick Sts. easier.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1087  
Old Posted Jun 18, 2025, 4:11 PM
skyscraperaccount skyscraperaccount is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Eade View Post
My preference would still be to put a ton of parking underground and make the entire surface for pedestrians.


Green is underground parking. Red and Fuchsia are ramps.

Start today with either York or George, then move on to the other once some of the underground parking is available.

On the diagram, I missed displaying the opportunity to add parking under the parking structure on George, when it is redeveloped. If kept as a parkade, it would have its access from the underground, parking, level, with no vehicle access from the pedestrian level, at grade. There could also be a tie-in to the William Street parkade, so that those at-grade roads can be pedestrianized.

I wouldn’t be cheap, but if the City is serious about ‘saving’ the By Ward Market, then it has to spend serious money to make it appealing and accessible – including for cars.
In a future pie in the sky tram loop world, and where NCC is building future tram use into a new bridge, maybe we shouldn't build access points on a road that may be a tram lane in the future?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1088  
Old Posted Jul 3, 2025, 10:07 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is online now
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,576
Is the ByWard Market safe? City councillor rejects new claims
Has a new police outpost in the Rideau Centre made the Market significantly safer? That's not what Coun. Stephanie Plante is hearing.

By Aedan Helmer, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jul 03, 2025 | Last updated 4 hours ago


Visitor traffic has returned to pre-pandemic heights in the ByWard Market and the historic downtown Ottawa district “feels safer” since the installation of a community policing hub one year ago, according to the first annual update from the ByWard Market District Authority.

That rosy outlook was tempered somewhat at the June 25 council session by Coun. Stéphanie Plante, whose Rideau-Vanier Ward includes the ByWard Market, after BMDA executives touted the neighbourhood’s progress during the past year.

“The police statistics you mentioned and the idea of safety and (the) visitor experiences, the businesses… I just want to put that to bed because that’s absolutely not what I’m seeing in my inbox,” Plante said.

“That’s not what I’m seeing when I speak to people who live in the area, servers, people who work in hotels, etc. They are reporting to me they are more scared, they are reporting to me they are not calling police because it just takes too long,” Plante said, as more businesses and hotels are hiring private security “to take matters into their own hands.”

<more>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/byward-market-safety
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1089  
Old Posted Jul 7, 2025, 9:51 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is online now
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,576
ByWard Market area will have increased police presence for rest of summer
The move to add more police in the ByWard Market area during the summer is part of a "focused initiative to address crime and social disorder."

By Staff Reporter, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jul 07, 2025


Headed to the ByWard Market? You can expect to see more police in the area when you get there.

The Ottawa Police Service, in a news release Monday, stated that residents and visitors will notice an increased police presence in the Market and “Downtown Rideau” for the remainder of the summer as part of a “focused initiative to address crime and social disorder.”

It said Frontline and Neighbourhood Resource Team officers will be patrolling the areas in collaboration with the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario, OC Transpo and the City of Ottawa’s Bylaw and Regulatory Services.

A zero-tolerance approach will be taken in monitoring disorderly behaviour (including Liquor Licence and Control Act offences) and aggressive panhandling, the release stated.

The police also released results from what they called the ByWard Market and Downtown Rideau Safety Initiative, conducted overnight on July 5. As a result of the operation, there were 15 alcohol pour-outs; four business safety inspections; four medical calls; one edged weapon seized; one firearm seized; one fight broken up; and one property found.

The community safety initiatives are to continue every weekend during the summer to “ensure a safe and welcoming environment for everyone.”

Police said incidents can be reported online at ottawapolice.ca/report, by calling the non-emergency number 613-236-1222, extension 7300, or by calling 911 in the case of an emergency or a crime in progress.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/byward-market-police-presence
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1090  
Old Posted Jul 17, 2025, 1:25 PM
phil235's Avatar
phil235 phil235 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 4,585
Some more good news - foot traffic in the Market is up 67% year over year in May and June. And the weather in June was terrible.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/ottawas-byward-market-sees-spike-in-visitors-in-may-and-june/

Last edited by phil235; Jul 17, 2025 at 2:07 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1091  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2025, 6:05 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is online now
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,576
The ByWard Market is both beautiful and broken
Curious to see how the Market changes throughout the day and night, Bruce Deachman wandered its streets and alleyways for 24 consecutive hours.

By Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Published Aug 05, 2025 | Last updated 1 day ago


On a recent sweltering Friday afternoon, Carolyn Woods sat at a table outside La Bottega Nicastro grocery store on George Street, sipping from a bottle of cold apricot juice and engaging in one of her favourite hobbies: people-watching in the ByWard Market.

“There’s something different every day,” she explained.

As if to prove the point, a woman, perhaps in her 70s, zipped by on a Segway as we spoke.

Woods has lived in the Market for about 15 years, and at least twice a week simply sits and takes in the scenery.

Across the street, on the spit of real estate known as the ByWard Market Plaza, tourists, residents, the homeless and others co-mingled. Folks sat in the sun, noshed on BeaverTails, drank coffee, examined the tchotchkes and t-shirts they’d bought, checked their phones, awaited friends or simply, like Woods, watched others.

If she had stayed long enough, Woods would have seen Philippe Burke and Anna Krytsyna out on an evening date together. If she’d stayed REALLY late, she would’ve heard DJ Louv playing mixes through a 240-watt portable speaker while his dog, Magical Beans, magically slept beside him. If she stayed until 1:30 a.m., she might have caught the Afrobeats pounding from Clarence Street’s clubs. If she’d stayed even later, past the last calls and into the pre-dawn stillness, Woods would have seen the Market nearly abandoned — save for a garbage truck, a few souls sleeping rough on benches and sidewalks, and maybe Baba making his rounds in a white van, righting and recharging e-scooters. She might have noticed the seagulls circling overhead, fighting over the night’s leftovers, or Paul Albert, a former photographer, now homeless, collecting empty bottles and a discarded crumpled lottery ticket — worth checking, he said; you never know. And if she’d stayed so late that it became early again, she’d have seen the Market coming back to life: bakers arriving for their shifts at Le Moulin de Provence, trucks delivering supplies to restaurants, residents walking dogs, vendors setting up stalls, shoppers appearing, and perhaps someone else taking Woods’s place outside La Bottega, juice in hand, with time to kill.

Woods didn’t stay too long when we met. But I did.

Curious to see how the Market changes throughout the day and night, I wandered its streets and alleyways for 24 consecutive hours — from 11 a.m. on a Friday to 11 a.m. Saturday. The Market is, after all, a place as multi-faceted as the city itself — different things to different people at different times of the day and night. At times, it’s messy and a little unruly, as it’s been for almost 200 years. That’s both part of its charm and its problem. I wanted to learn what people who live, work and wander there thought about the place: why they were there, whether the Market needs “fixing” and, if so, what those fixes might be.

<more>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/byward-market-24-hours
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1092  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2025, 4:05 AM
adam-machiavelli adam-machiavelli is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,246
When will Ottawa get rid of all the parking scourges in Byward Market?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1093  
Old Posted Aug 19, 2025, 7:07 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is online now
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,576
Crime levels dropping in ByWard Market: police data
Police are crediting a new outpost on Rideau Street and an increased police presence for a steady decline in crime in the ByWard Market

By Aedan Helmer, Ottawa Citizen
Published Aug 19, 2025 | Last updated 37 minutes ago


A new police outpost on Rideau Street, a shift in enforcement strategy and an increased police presence in the ByWard Market have contributed to a reduction in calls for service and a steady decline in low-level crime over the past 12-plus months.
Article content

Ottawa police Chief Eric Stubbs acknowledged there is still much work to be done in the heritage district, which is often singled out as a sore spot in the city with a high density of tourists alongside a significant concentration of social services and a large vulnerable population.

Police and community groups gave credit to a new police outpost on Rideau Street — with one entrance facing out from 50 Rideau St. and another entrance inside the Rideau Centre — for contributing to declining crime stats in the area since the Neighbourhood Operations Centre opened a little more than a year ago.

The police outpost, which launched in June 2024, serves as a “co-ordination hub” for police, OC Transpo special constables and other agencies, while providing a “collaborative space” to work with community partners.

<more>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/police-data-crime-byward-market
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1094  
Old Posted Aug 19, 2025, 10:23 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is online now
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,576
Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop moving into Ottawa's ByWard Market
The space was previously occupied by the ByWard Fruit Market, a long-time staple business in the area.

By Sadeen Mohsen, Ottawa Citizen
Published Aug 19, 2025


A Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop will be replacing the ByWard Fruit Market, a market staple for nearly three decades.

According to a building permit posted on the property, the new Baskin-Robbins will be at 36 ByWard Market Square.

Fruit Market owners Isaac and Miriam Farbiasz told the Ottawa Citizen in March that a number of factors had contributed to its closure, including the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and the hassle of navigating downtown traffic that was deterring customers.

The couple had operated the store since 1999.

An online search on Tuesday showed nine other Baskin-Robbins locations in the Ottawa region, including one at the nearby Rideau Centre.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/baskin-robbins-byward-market
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1095  
Old Posted Aug 20, 2025, 4:30 PM
NOWINYOW NOWINYOW is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 479
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketphish View Post
Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop moving into Ottawa's ByWard Market
The space was previously occupied by the ByWard Fruit Market, a long-time staple business in the area.

By Sadeen Mohsen, Ottawa Citizen
Published Aug 19, 2025


A Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop will be replacing the ByWard Fruit Market, a market staple for nearly three decades.

According to a building permit posted on the property, the new Baskin-Robbins will be at 36 ByWard Market Square.

Fruit Market owners Isaac and Miriam Farbiasz told the Ottawa Citizen in March that a number of factors had contributed to its closure, including the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and the hassle of navigating downtown traffic that was deterring customers.

The couple had operated the store since 1999.

An online search on Tuesday showed nine other Baskin-Robbins locations in the Ottawa region, including one at the nearby Rideau Centre.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/baskin-robbins-byward-market
Another fresh food retailer says goodbye.

I live in the area. Last week someone, a tourist I presume, stopped and asked for directions. Specifically, where the open stalls could be found. Being that there are virtually none left, I just shrugged and told them there's one or two in the area.

Though I'm not a big proponent of changing names, it may be time to retire the use of the word "market" and replace it with, "Byward Tourist Place where you'll find the exact same things you'd find in any area of any city."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1096  
Old Posted Aug 21, 2025, 1:03 PM
McDonald's Racoon McDonald's Racoon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 163
I wonder, what some of your opinions/ideas are for why the "market" portion of the Byward Market has failed overtime vs places like Marche Jean Talon or even the Parkdale Market in Ottawa, who seem to be doing very well in comparison.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1097  
Old Posted Aug 21, 2025, 1:16 PM
harls's Avatar
harls harls is offline
Mooderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Aylmer, Québec
Posts: 21,408
Quote:
Originally Posted by McDonald's Racoon View Post
I wonder, what some of your opinions/ideas are for why the "market" portion of the Byward Market has failed overtime vs places like Marche Jean Talon or even the Parkdale Market in Ottawa, who seem to be doing very well in comparison.
Check your username
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1098  
Old Posted Aug 21, 2025, 1:23 PM
OTSkyline OTSkyline is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,821
IMO, 2 things;

1) The current "market" building in Ottawa sucks.. It's packed, confusing, hard to get around, etc.. It's not inviting at all and so everyone walks beside it (very few people go inside).

2) Demographics of nearby residents. In places like Montreal, there's a lot of older, establishes neighborhoods near the market and you see more retirees or young families where a weekend stroll to buy fruits & veggies is more appealing to. In comparison, the Byward Market is much more "touristy" and the vast majority of residential nearby are newly build condos or apartments, so it's mostly university students or young professionals (who are less likely to stroll to buy fruits & veggies on weekends).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1099  
Old Posted Aug 21, 2025, 5:20 PM
phil235's Avatar
phil235 phil235 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 4,585
Quote:
Originally Posted by OTSkyline View Post

2) Demographics of nearby residents. In places like Montreal, there's a lot of older, establishes neighborhoods near the market and you see more retirees or young families where a weekend stroll to buy fruits & veggies is more appealing to. In comparison, the Byward Market is much more "touristy" and the vast majority of residential nearby are newly build condos or apartments, so it's mostly university students or young professionals (who are less likely to stroll to buy fruits & veggies on weekends).
I wonder about this. Thinking of the Atwater market, or the St. Lawrence market, those neighbourhoods are full of apartments and I have never noticed any skew towards retirees or families. If anything, people in small condos are probably more likely to go out to do small shops frequently during the week. I was also at the downtown Kitchener Market recently, and found it more robust than our version, with all types of people shopping.

To me, the answer is more cultural. People in those places are more likely to be in the habit of shopping at the market, and they have a critical mass of customers that draw vendors. I'm also not sure, but I think all of those markets have gotten more support from their respective cities than the Byward Market has. And there is also the issue of the reputation that the Market has with a certain segment of Ottawans.

The Byward Market has what should be a strong local drawing area. People love markets. I think with some investment by the City and promotion of actual market vendors, start with a few days a week and go from there. You could create different shopping habits and be well on the way to a sustainable farmers market.

Last edited by phil235; Aug 21, 2025 at 5:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1100  
Old Posted Aug 21, 2025, 5:49 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,676
Quote:
Originally Posted by McDonald's Racoon View Post
I wonder, what some of your opinions/ideas are for why the "market" portion of the Byward Market has failed overtime vs places like Marche Jean Talon or even the Parkdale Market in Ottawa, who seem to be doing very well in comparison.
It's parking mostly I suspect. And location. The other markets are enroute for people shopping. Byward is tourists and the rules requiring actual farmers mean what they were selling didn't appeal much to tourists.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OTSkyline View Post
IMO, 2 things;

2) Demographics of nearby residents. In places like Montreal, there's a lot of older, establishes neighborhoods near the market and you see more retirees or young families where a weekend stroll to buy fruits & veggies is more appealing to. In comparison, the Byward Market is much more "touristy" and the vast majority of residential nearby are newly build condos or apartments, so it's mostly university students or young professionals (who are less likely to stroll to buy fruits & veggies on weekends).
I am not sure this is a major factor. It probably helps a bit but there are probably more people walking distance to the Byward Market than Jean Talon
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:05 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.