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Old Posted Oct 13, 2017, 8:39 PM
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ST'O-Train, Sti!

That is actually way better than Train-G!

For Montreal, I hope they end up having the REM as just another metro line, regardless of ownership. This is about (or should) improving the lives of Montrealers, not competing interests.

In Toronto, they should distinguish Go Train, Streetcars and Subways (with Crosstown defined as part of the subway). Maybe have UPX as its own thing.
     
     
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That is actually way better than Train-G!

For Montreal, I hope they end up having the REM as just another metro line, regardless of ownership. This is about (or should) improving the lives of Montrealers, not competing interests.

In Toronto, they should distinguish Go Train, Streetcars and Subways (with Crosstown defined as part of the subway). Maybe have UPX as its own thing.
You'll probably be able to use your OPUS card when you take the REM.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2017, 9:56 PM
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AFAIK, the Pink Line has never been proposed before. There are a quite a few abandoned proposals for new metro lines in Montreal; the route that will now be the trunk of the REM was supposed to be the Red Line and there was supposed to be a White Line on Pie-IX.

The Pink Line is a good idea; it fills in a key urban service gap in the Metro network. Though it's probably an astronomically expensive proposal.
The line to Lachine was proposed by Drapeau in May 1970 as part of a $200m expansion of the system in the original scheme for the 1976 Olympics.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2017, 11:15 PM
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Then they should do that to several of the other streetcar lines too.... They are grade separated except at intersections. Hell, even part of the lines that use Queens Quay are underground.
Queens Quay was marked as an orange line with blue station pips when the first stretch to Spadina Loop was opened. It ran exclusively rebuilt PCC streetcars in modern livery.

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Old Posted Oct 16, 2017, 2:08 AM
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When it comes to system branding, Ottawa got it right. We've had the diesel O-Train line for 16 years and when we started planning the lrt line and subsequently awarded the contract, it seemed like it was going to be a third transit mode (bus Transitway, diesel O-Train and electric LRT). They decided to instead brand the two rail lines as the O-Train Trillium and Confederation Lines.

What worries me though is what will happen when the rails extend to Gatineau. Will it be like it is today, with Gatineau only displaying the STO map and Ottawa the OC Transpo map? Will we two separate systems; the OC Transpo O-Train and the STO Train-G?
Train G sounds very close to "point G" which means g-spot in French.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2017, 8:26 PM
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Confederation Line update.

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Construction Update
Week of OCTOBER 19, 2017



At Parliament Station, current work focuses on waterproofing for the roof slab and the next phase of forming for the tunnel adit, while over at the East Portal, crews continue to install rebar and pour concrete for the starter walls of the cut and cover tunnel. At Tremblay Station, crews finalize the waterproofing of the concourse area and complete the windscreen posts.



Progress of construction at Pimisi Station 2017-10-02

West Stations

Tunney’s Pasture Station
Structural steel installation is set to be completed over the next week, for the overhead canopy. Mechanical and electrical works are ongoing. Other activities focus on the curbs, the escalator pit, and the sprinkler and heat tracing systems.

Bayview Station
Platform steel will be completed soon. Painting of steel continues and plaza concrete work continues. Other work focuses on completion of the electrical room and electrical work in the concourse area. Crews are also mobilizing to complete elevator installations.

Pimisi Station
Precast-concrete installation at stairways in the station continues. Porcelain panels are going up at the platform and intumescent painting is progressing. Escalators are being readied for service. A high voltage switch is set to be delivered in two weeks in anticipation of permanent power being established in early November.



Construction is ongoing at Lyon Station concourse

Central Stations

Lyon Station cavern
Crews continue to form curbs at the stairway openings following the installation of glazing posts. Concrete patching begins at the west entrance of the cavern and fire protection, HVAC, plumping, and electrical utility work all progress. The elevator takes shape with glazing post installation and painting.

Lyon Station west entrance
Queen and Bay Street north side civil and road work continues this week. Crews allocate resources to complete work on the TVS with concrete works such reinforcing steel, formwork and concrete pours for the walls.

Lyon Station east entrance
Crews allocate resources to complete the TVS with concrete works such as formwork and concrete pours for the walls.



Progress of construction at Parliament Station concourse 2017-10-02

Parliament Station cavern
The first stage of elevator rough-ins are delivered this week alongside rough-ins taking place for the upper mezzanine. At the concourse level, the central wall for the concourse takes shape with forming, and stair installation progresses with railing installation at certain stairways.

Parliament Station west entrance
The north and south walls progress; forming takes place for the north wall with pours occurring at the end of the week and rebar installation occurs for the south wall with forming occurring at the end of the week.

Parliament Station east entrance
Construction is ongoing at the station and includes waterproofing for the roof slab and the next phase of forming for the tunnel adit. Next week, backfilling and adit wall pours will begin.

Rideau Station cavern
The next phase of rebar and formwork begins for the station’s headwall this week, along with conduit and plumbing installations for the concourse slabs. In the running tunnel, rebar installation continues for the invert slab, arch pours progress and shotcrete continues for the transition.

Rideau Station west entrance
Crews are busy at the west entrance; partial stripping of the arch has taken place, roof slab falsework is to occur at the end of the week, the slab deck reshoring begins to be removed and backfilling concludes.

Rideau Station east entrance
Concrete works ramp up this week with partial stripping of the arch, rebar installs and installation of falsework and concrete pours for the roof slab. Crews continue with insulation for the HVAC and mezzanine rooms and electrical work in the TPSS room.



Porcelain panel installation at uOttawa Station

East Portal
CThis week at the East Portal, crews continue to install rebar and pour concrete for the starter walls of the cut and cover tunnel.

uOttawa Station
Current work focuses on completion of the station’s porcelain panel installations. At the concourse level, work is proceeding on the duct, plumbing, and fire protection systems. Construction of the pedestrian plaza is also progressing.



Platform level concrete pours at Lees Station 2017-10-03

East Stations

Lees Station
Crews are working on completing the porcelain panels in the ancillary building. Concrete pours are taking place at the platform level. On the concourse and platform, steel and concrete crews will be finalizing the retaining wall. Mechanical testing is ongoing.

Hurdman Station
Excavating, grading and paving of Hurdman bus loop continues into mid-November. Framing on the south side of the station is progressing. There is also work on the mullions, or vertical partitions, for glass walls in the station. Elevator and escalator installation is ongoing.

Tremblay Station
Crews finalize the waterproofing of the concourse area and complete the windscreen posts. The interlock pavers in the canopy area are nearly complete. The snowmelts continue to progress, and there are two concrete pours scheduled to take place this week. As well, installation of the testing and commissioning equipment is ongoing.



Ongoing construction at Cyrville Station 2017-10-03

St-Laurent Station
Crews work to complete the station’s tunnel ventilation system, including the fans and two overhead door panels. The coloured concrete around the fare gate is also being installed. The ongoing electrical work at the station includes the connections to the air handling unit and the condensing unit. Other ongoing work includes painting of windscreen posts and mullions.

Cyrville Station
Final grading is concluding. Other scheduled works includes completion of the topping platform. Outside the station, landscaping work will take place soon.

Blair Station
Landscaping is taking place north of the station. Completion of the bus loop and the bus operator building progresses. Other work focuses on the remaining stair posts and completion of glazing works.



LRV testing east of Cyrville Station 2017-10-02

Guideway and Trackwork

Current trackwork focuses on the diamond crossover between Lyon to Parliament Station; the plinths at Tunney’s Pasture; tamping at Pimisi Station; and the track installation tie-in to the West Portal. In the eastern portion of the alignment, testing continues to move along and since October 3, both mainline eastbound and westbound tracks from TPSS 6 (near Tremblay) to uOttawa have been under testing and commissioning.



Crews work on crossover track at Tunney's Pasture Station 2017-10-02

Upcoming Construction Activities

In the coming weeks, the following construction activities are scheduled to occur:
  • Landscaping at Cyrville Station.
  • Construction of the Rideau Station West TVS.
  • Installation of lighting inside jersey barrier by uOttawa Station.
  • uOttawa guideway sewer repairs.
  • Construction to complete the West Portal and East Portal
  • Systems installation along the guideway, including OCS poles and wires.
  • Station elevators and escalators being readied for service at multiple stations.

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/construction/construction-update-146/
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2017, 4:52 PM
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The line to Lachine was proposed by Drapeau in May 1970 as part of a $200m expansion of the system in the original scheme for the 1976 Olympics.
That was idiotic of the mayors of Lasalle/Lachine at the time. The "pink line REM" proposal uses the Turcot yards dedicated train corridor that was planned for the first REM, plus the existing RTM train corridor from DT to Vendôme. That section would be really cheap and fast to build.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2017, 3:17 PM
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That was idiotic of the mayors of Lasalle/Lachine at the time. The "pink line REM" proposal uses the Turcot yards dedicated train corridor that was planned for the first REM, plus the existing RTM train corridor from DT to Vendôme. That section would be really cheap and fast to build.
So why don't they build it?
     
     
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What worries me though is what will happen when the rails extend to Gatineau. Will it be like it is today, with Gatineau only displaying the STO map and Ottawa the OC Transpo map? Will we two separate systems; the OC Transpo O-Train and the STO Train-G?
A sensible concern, but is there any likelihood of this happening anytime soon? Seems to be a tough nut to crack.
     
     
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So why don't they build it?
If Projet Montréal wins, it will be their priority to get it built through the Caisse, Canada Infrastructure Bank and the ARTM. Coderre says there is enough being built (and he's been heading down the polls now).
     
     
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If Projet Montréal wins, it will be their priority to get it built through the Caisse, Canada Infrastructure Bank and the ARTM. Coderre says there is enough being built (and he's been heading down the polls now).
Yes, Montreal already has a lot on its plate, but it would be nice to get this done as well in the not too distant future. These kind of accomplishments will move Montreal well above Toronto in the rapid transit echelon of North America and truly make it a top notch transit city.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2017, 4:37 PM
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Yes, Montreal already has a lot on its plate, but it would be nice to get this done as well in the not too distant future. These kind of accomplishments will move Montreal well above Toronto in the rapid transit echelon of North America and truly make it a top notch transit city.
The basis of the problem is the Quebec government under-investing in transit infrastructure, or the fact that projects get politicized and are put on hold.

Best example: the Orange line extension to Bois-Franc to connect with the REM is logical, and the STM is digging towards Bois-Franc to build an underground garage. By unlocking funds and shifting things to high gear, the STM could’ve dug another kilometer and build the extension for a measly cost. For obvious political reasons, this won’t be done and we’ll have to wait 8-10 years for that extension.
     
     
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The basis of the problem is the Quebec government under-investing in transit infrastructure, or the fact that projects get politicized and are put on hold.

Best example: the Orange line extension to Bois-Franc to connect with the REM is logical, and the STM is digging towards Bois-Franc to build an underground garage. By unlocking funds and shifting things to high gear, the STM could’ve dug another kilometer and build the extension for a measly cost. For obvious political reasons, this won’t be done and we’ll have to wait 8-10 years for that extension.
Yup, that is the most idiotic thing. You're building a tunnel and the end of the tunnel is 800m from the future REM station, and you refuse to pay for that extention. Pure political incompentence.
     
     
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The basis of the problem is the Quebec government under-investing in transit infrastructure, or the fact that projects get politicized and are put on hold.

Best example: the Orange line extension to Bois-Franc to connect with the REM is logical, and the STM is digging towards Bois-Franc to build an underground garage. By unlocking funds and shifting things to high gear, the STM could’ve dug another kilometer and build the extension for a measly cost. For obvious political reasons, this won’t be done and we’ll have to wait 8-10 years for that extension.
Those being?
     
     
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Those being?
Why the Anglos get new metro stations while the poor French in the East still get shafted! (after the underused train de l'Est and future Pie-IX BRT, they still complain)
     
     
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Those being?
Basically east vs west, franco vs anglo
     
     
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A sensible concern, but is there any likelihood of this happening anytime soon? Seems to be a tough nut to crack.
The Mayor of Gatineau running for re-election November 5 has a light rail line from Aylmer to Ottawa (Bayview Station, see bellow) as part of his platform.

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Queens Quay was marked as an orange line with blue station pips when the first stretch to Spadina Loop was opened. It ran exclusively rebuilt PCC streetcars in modern livery.

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I remember having an old Mapart book covering the city of Toronto as a kid which had the Queen's Quay "LRT" marked as a full transit line as you describe. Being the nerd I was, I tried to find it on one of my trips to Toronto - thinking that it was akin to the LRT in Calgary. It was sorely disappointing.
     
     
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The consortiums competing to build and operate the REM are submitting their finalized bids today.

CDPQ Infra will soon learn if their 6 billion dollar estimate and their aggressive timeline were realistic.

The 2 winners are expected to be announced around mid-november and construction is expected to start before the holidays.

Reminder of the 5 qualified consortiums:

Engineering, Procurement and Construction
- Groupe NouvLR (SNC-Lavalin, Dragados, Groupe Aecon Québec, Pomerleau, EBC).
- Kiewit-Eurovia (Construction Kiewit, Eurovia Québec Grands Projets, WSP Canada, Parsons)

Rolling stock, systems, operations and maintenance
- Bombardier Transport Canada
- Alliance Montréal Mobilité (Parsons, Hyundai Rotem, RATP Dev Canada, Thales)
- Groupe des partenaires pour la mobilité des Montréalais (Alstom Transport Canada, SNC-Lavalin O&M)

In other news, mayor Coderre has disclosed that the 5-station blue line extension is now estimated at 3.5 billion ($500-700M/km)
     
     
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In other news, mayor Coderre has disclosed that the 5-station blue line extension is now estimated at 3.5 billion ($500-700M/km)
I still would like to know how you manage to get to that amount. The Laval extension was much much more complicated to build and was much cheaper per km.
     
     
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