Immigration levels

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

correct, i'm not sure what class you skipped but you are saying that 25 is bad, yet you have no solution to reduce that number.

I'll say it again, why does it bother you that rooming houses exist?

beceause it's illegal.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

beceause it's illegal.

Do illegal secondary suites bother you?

I will eternally respect the original designer of the Vancouver special who had the courage, the fortitude, to design a house which could easily and covertly build two illegal basement suites in a time when all secondary suites were illegal.

Making housing illegal is not the solution, and rule breakers are sometimes the housing heroes we need.

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

This is not what an option means. Please get off your high horse.

SROs are a housing option.

Rooming houses are a housing option.

Studio apartments are a housing option.

Mansions are a housing option.

This is basic housing policy.



Thank god we make so many forms of housing illegal in this country.

They ARE NOT options, they are illegal basements suite rented because there's no space for them.
They sleep in the same beds sometimes and there are literally safe rules not compatible with those houses.

You are so disconnected from reality that you don't even know the conditions in what people live. They can't escape fires, there are diases in a place with 25 people and 1 bathroom. It's illegal for a reaspon.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

LOL you really are comple4tley disconnect from reality and understand nothing.
They ARE NOT options, they are illegal basements suite rented because there's no space for them.
They sleep in the same beds sometimes and there are literally safe rules not compatible with those houses.

You are so disconnected from reality that you don't even know the conditions in what people live.

It's so weird that they're not options, yet somehow people are living that way. You are disconnected from reality if you think they're not an option; The facts speak for themselves. You're the one who brought it up in the first place.

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

It's so weird that they're not options, yet somehow people are living that way. You are disconnected from reality if you think they're not an option; The facts speak for themselves. You're the one who brought it up in the first place.

Ok so let's see what is happening here.

You are telling people to do something that is literally illegal and then telling me that i don't see reality for not wanting to do that.

Understood.

We can close the topic, the solution is to commit a crime.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Ok so let's see what is happening here.

You are telling people to do something that is literally illegal and then telling me that i don't see reality for not wanting to do that.

Understood.

We can close the topic, the solution is to commit a crime.

Correct, thank god for all the immigrants that built illegal secondary suites in Vancouver Specials in the 1970s.

I praise them.

You think they are criminals.

We are not the same.

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Correct, thank god for all the immigrants that built illegal secondary suites in Vancouver Specials in the 1970s.

I praise them.

You think they are criminals.

We are not the same.

You are right, i am not a criminal.
I can live with that.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

You are right, i am not a criminal.
I can live with that.

Happy for you.

So, while you continue to have zero solutions to the housing crisis, I will continue to advocate for housing deregulation to provide supply and housing choices. Thank god for the immigrants that built illegal secondary suites in the 1970s. Extra praise for those that built two.

I guess you don't care about improving the country, but I do.

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Happy for you.

So, while you continue to have zero solutions to the housing crisis, I will continue to advocate for housing deregulation to provide supply and housing choices.

I guess you don't care about improving the country, but I do.

Sure buddy.
Fire and safety regulations are totally unnecessary and people literally dying because you don't understand why 20 people can't sleep in 2 bedrooms is 100% a solution and not a crime.

We are all with you.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Sure buddy.
Fire and safety regulations are totally unnecessary and people literally dying because you don't understand why 20 people can't sleep in 2 bedrooms is 100% a solution and not a crime.

We are all with you.

I'll always remember you as the person who wishes the 1970s era Vancouver Special illegal basement suites were successfully wiped out. They might be the bedrock of East Vancouver rental housing supply, but they might be a little less safe than having no housing so the owners really should have gone to jail.

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

I'll always remember you as the person who wishes the 1970s era Vancouver Special illegal basement suites were successfully wiped out.

You do you.

[chowhou]

And let's be clear, you still have zero solutions to build additional housing supply for existing immigrants. We should just enforce the illegality of their current housing form. They can figure the rest out I guess, not your problem right?

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

And let's be clear, you still have zero solutions to build additional housing supply for existing immigrants. We should just enforce the illegality of their current housing form. They can figure the rest out I guess, not your problem right?

Buddy you can commit all the crimes that you want but please stop trying to push me into this.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Buddy you can commit all the crimes that you want but please stop trying to push me into this.

Oh okay, then I will continue to support homeowners with illegal secondary suites because I support housing. I used to see quite a few new build duplexes in Burnaby with unfinished illegal suites for the owners to complete. I suppose they're legal now because of the NDP? Power to the people!

You are free to believe what you want, it's a free country after all! But I ask you not to disparage people who are part of the solution.

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Oh okay, then I will continue to support homeowners with illegal secondary suites because I support housing. I used to see quite a few new build duplexes in Burnaby with unfinished illegal suites for the owners to complete. I suppose they're legal now because of the NDP? Power to the people!

You are free to believe what you want, it's a free country after all! But I ask you not to disparage people who are part of the solution.

You support crimes and people dying.
But again, you clearly have some problems so like i said, you do you. Just keep me out of it.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

You support crimes and people dying.
But again, you clearly have some problems so like i said, you do you.

Go ahead and show me all these poor immigrants dying, thanks. I do support crimes when the law is tyrannical, yes. You hate people providing housing, we are all in agreement here.

I also understand you hate immigrants being in your country, which is a problem in of itself, but again you're free to think that!

I assume you should have lots of articles about immigrants dying because you hate them so much!

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Yes. Why does that bother you? It's not you living there. You're of course taking the most extreme case but it's still permanent housing.

SROs are housing, rooming houses are housing, living with roommates is housing, not everyone has to be living alone in their own private 3000sqft residence.

Going from slum housing to 3000 sqft is quite the leap. There is is Overton window when it comes to housing, and the normalization of people living in decrepit conditions is a problem for everyone.

The average young professional Canadian in cities can barely afford studio or 1 bedroom apartments, barring the Bank of Mom and Dad. I think it would be nice to strive for a society the middle class can afford 3000 sqft.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Going from slum housing to 3000 sqft is quite the leap. There is is Overton window when it comes to housing, and the normalization of people living in decrepit conditions is a problem for everyone.

The average young professional Canadian in cities can barely afford studio or 1 bedroom apartments, barring the Bank of Mom and Dad. I think it would be nice to strive for a society the middle class can afford 3000 sqft.

I somewhat agree, but we're just not there right now. I don't think there's an overton window—rooming houses, SROs, illegal basement suites, and roommates have always existed—but because supply is so constrained those housing options have had more focus. The biggest crime in this country is that housing that the market demands continues to be illegal. There exists a world where we return to having substantial amounts of large family sized units, but instead of making it legal to build a 20 unit building, we just complain that 20 people are living in a house.

In the meantime, we're clearly still somehow absorbing immigration into housing in this country, but housing policy absolutely has to have sweeping changes if that's to continue.

Legalize housing!

[AlessioSBT]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Go ahead and show me all these poor immigrants dying, thanks. I do support crimes when the law is tyrannical, yes. You hate people providing housing, we are all in agreement here.

I also understand you hate immigrants being in your country, which is a problem in of itself, but again you're free to think that!

I assume you should have lots of articles about immigrants dying because you hate them so much!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...fire-1.3204793
https://www.bramptonguardian.com/new...07dad2f90.html

I seriously think you should seek professional help.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...fire-1.3204793

I seriously think you should seek professional help.

You had to go 9 years ago to find this article. Trudeau wasn't even prime minister yet!

Try harder next time.