Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[delts145]

Thanks, Blah for that Patrinely Post. A lot of great details in those additional renderings, especially all of the pleasant surprises with the courtyard, the public plaza and I wasn't even cognizant of that structure on the southeast corner, other side of the plaza on Main. I think Main going south between 6th and 8th will take a lot less time to create attractive infill now that 650, 6th and Main, and 7o2 are in progress. At least a lot less time than it took to develop south of the isolated island of Grand America. To see the southern portion of Downtown finally coming to fruition is very exhilarating. I hope this will really speed up the redevelopment of the entire southern sector from 4th to 21st. If economic conditions hold out for this next decade I think we'll see an entirely different, redeveloped southern sector between State & Rio Grande and 4th So. & 21st So.

[jedikermit]

Thanks for the videos, Blah, I'll check them out.

[Old&New]

It’s always fishy to me when buildings randomly start burning down as soon as someone has a sale or development planned.

I can’t really recall off-hand a burning building that wasn’t in the way of the property owners plan.


Something else that is strange to me is how there is not one Main Street entrance on 650 South Main’s floor plan.

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by Old&New

It’s always fishy to me when buildings randomly start burning down as soon as someone has a sale or development planned.

I can’t really recall off-hand a burning building that wasn’t in the way of the property owners plan.

...isn't that two fires in the last three days? On projects in the works?

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Old&New

It’s always fishy to me when buildings randomly start burning down as soon as someone has a sale or development planned.

I can’t really recall off-hand a burning building that wasn’t in the way of the property owners plan.


Something else that is strange to me is how there is not one Main Street entrance on 650 South Main’s floor plan.

This is somewhat funny/tragic to me. Fire does not expedite demo plans in SLC. I have had four structure fires on tear-downs on projects in the last 24 months. Two of them involved an actual emergency demo order from the FD and the building dept REJECTED them. The Fire Department has been instructed to NOT TALK ABOUT THIS to people, as relayed to me by multiple fire officials. The question from the building dept was "can you put a fence around it? then it's "SAFE"". The Sugarhole ordinance needs to go. It's getting silly. The whole "let it burn" demolition policy in the city is a disaster.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Cheers to the Carl's Jr. demolition

These towers might not be shattering many height records but they are all pretty good-looking and are really going to bulk up the skyline and enhance the cityscape in a good way. When a 500+ footer finally arrives, it won't look out-of-place.

That said, I do hope we see some more unique, less boxy designs in the future. Speaking of which, are there any updates that our insiders want to share on the 450 Main tower?

Agree Atlas, They're all good-looking. If the rumor mills are to be believed then it would seem like the 4th S. and Main and the 2nd West and 6th So. Towers will be taking a decidedly different design shape.

By Blah_Amazing

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[allh]

Aren’t building fires usually a sign of insurance fraud? Owners get a large amount of money quickly if arson is included in the insurance.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by allh

Aren’t building fires usually a sign of insurance fraud? Owners get a large amount of money quickly if arson is included in the insurance.

Money that could go toward demolition... Or are squatters just following this development thread, looking for places slated for demolition that they can temporarily crash in?

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by delts145

Agree Atlas, They're all good-looking. If the rumor mills are to be believed then it would seem like the 4th S. and Main and the 2nd West and 6th So. Towers will be taking a decidedly different design shape.

Delts, can you reiterate what the rumors are?

[DJ Mentat]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

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The building that burned was set to be demolished for the proposed '1625 W. North Temple' apartment building, which will stand 6 floors tall and include 111 residential units.

Lol this is one of the worst news videos I've ever seen. Their traffic cam at the intersection wasn't even facing the right direction, the map they showed was of a completely different address near 1700S, and they never even showed the actual building burning. Classic.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Delts, can you reiterate what the rumors are?

Sure. For example, the renderings posted recently on the tower for the corner of 2nd West and 600 So. were of a design type that we haven't yet seen developed in SLC. The renderings designs were strong suggestions of desired possibilities for that corner. However, again those were suggestions being made for the promotion of the plot, therefore only a rumor. I would say given the current market in SLC remaining the same, the highest probability of a 300-plus foot tower of a new style design at this point is pretty good, especially if it's residential or mixed-use. Hopefully, we'll have a more concrete answer in the next few months for 2nd West and 6th So. The same for the tower on Main between 4th and 5th. Though that tower seems to be a stronger reality at this time. The one or two members in the know on this forum have stated that they have seen renderings/details of the 4th and Main Tower and that it is similar in design shape to Manhattan's Bank of America. Of course, all of these rumors of more towers and new designs will only become reality if Salt Lake City continues to ride this historic construction wave for the next three or four years. The current market in Salt Lake seems to be turning rumors into reality quicker than we ever imagined possible.

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

I thought I would go on Loopnet and see what properties are for sale right now in Salt Lake City since they are more than likely to be bought up for redevelopment purposes. I knew a few, but I was surprised and excited by others.

Here's just one of the many listings:

176 W 600 S
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/176-...y-UT/21529830/

1.34 Acres of Commercial Land
D-1 Zone (Corner)
Registered Opportunity Zone Property. It's the furthest west D-1 zoning, making it a landmark location in the downtown skyline.
Downtown Salt Lake City’s growth continues to expand across all fronts with numerous high-rise residential, office and hotel developments under construction.

SITE ALSO CAME WITH "TALL RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL OPTION" CONCEPT!








They even had a video! (I had to post it to Youtube in order to include it)

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I seriously hope whoever buys the property decides to build this tower on the site. I personally think the tower design looks fantastic!

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[Old&New]

Thank you.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by DJ Mentat

Lol this is one of the worst news videos I've ever seen. Their traffic cam at the intersection wasn't even facing the right direction, the map they showed was of a completely different address near 1700S, and they never even showed the actual building burning. Classic.

It should be noted that that building was Apollo Burgers very first location. It sat empty for a while after they built their new location across redwood road and then became a Chinese place for a short time.

[Atlas]

This project at the U was given $59.3 million by the legislature recently. I haven't been able to find any other renderings.

The university's request for $60 million from the state to renovate and add to the historic William Stewart Building was included in the state budget adopted in the session.

This $85 million project will provide critical updates to our educational and research facilities for the Departments of Physics & Astronomy and Atmospheric Sciences. Together, the two departments teach more than 5,600 students and house 46 faculty members, who brought in $11.5 million in outside research funding in FY19. New construction-a 40,700 square-foot renovation and 100,000 square-foot addition-is expected to result in a 56 percent increase in capacity for experimental and computer labs. These new spaces will allow the departments to address critical bottlenecks in science and technology degree programs.

EDIT: according to the slide show that the above slide came from, the university plans on demolishing the east wing of the James Fletcher building too. Those labs and offices will move to the new building.

[Old&New]

Concept massing/rendering of what I posted earlier. Could be a phase 2. Would be more cost-efficient as a phase 1 though.
Tentatively calling it South Creek Performing Arts District, or just South Creek.




And with the skyway (I'm sure a prettier one can be designed):

Originally Posted by Old&New

I went ahead and put all the parking on the block below-grade, and opened up the block with a new North - South street. It's crazy how much additional things you can throw in there and still have it feel more open than before by just getting rid of the above-grade parking ramps. Like the Presiding Bishop said when presenting the plans for City Creek Center: "There's NOTHING vibrant about parking."

Here's what I had for the original phase 1:

Originally Posted by Old&New

Here's a Legacy project. Who wants the beautiful Pantages Theatre renamed after them? I'm looking at you Zion's Bank

Aquire the land, or work out a deal. Demolish the buildings in red, and move the auditorium and atrium to new location on 100 South:


Like this:
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(Shubert Theater, Minneapolis, cost 4 million in 1999 to move about twice the distance)

Restore auditorium (taking advantage of 3D printing technology) and build a new deeper stage/fly finally giving the theater the capability of hosting live theatrical performances, a true multi-use theater. Work with the City to build an underground direct connection to Convention Center's foyer so the theater can easily be used by conventions. Marriott Hotel could also tap into this connection via a north south tunnel under 100 south. Restore the Dinwoodey Building and re-use it as both additional support/rehearsal space for the restored theater, and possible home for the Utah Opera or other arts organization. Zion's Bank will build their new signature tower (in blue), and a luxury condo tower can be built on the vacant parcel in arrow press square, with an air controlled skyway connection to a new parking ramp:


Rendering of Restored Pantages Theater in it's new location on 100 South, next to the restored Dinwoodey Building, and new luxury condo tower in the background (of course the CCH would be seen behind that). View from City Creek Center's Cascade:




Added in from my comment below:

The stage could not be expanded due to Capitol theater’s stage being right behind it/in the way. The stage was just too shallow, only made for vaudeville acts, which made it impossible to host most all theatrical shows, rendering the theater unviable. That’s the main reason the theater was never restored. You can compare the stage depths in the aerial images above. Moving the theater to a new location would allow for a new deeper standard stage to be built, making the theater a viable venue, open to a larger range of hosting capabilities.

And connecting the theater directly to the convention center will not only ensure it’s success, but also improve the convention center’s stats for available meeting space.

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Nineteenth Century Palace Restored Using Massivit 3D Printing


https://www.inkjetmagazine.com/ninet...t-3d-printing/

Pantages Theatre in Salt Lake City, Utah, circa 1919:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=532833

Originally Posted by Old&New

Thought you guys might want to see my massing concept for a proposed Pantages Theater relocation and Theater and Arts District buildout that I've been posting about recently:

[RC14]

Disregard

[Blah_Amazing]

https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/Cit...howInspection=

Demo permits have been filed for the abandoned Henries Dry Cleaners located at the corner of 900 South and 200 West.

Image by Taylor Anderson of the abandoned Dry Cleaners from BSL:

Developer Urban Alfandre has plans to build The Sydney on the site, a 128 residential unit 5 floor apartment building.



This project has struggled due to the contaminated nature of the site thanks to the dry cleaners, which was covered in BSL article in 2019:

https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/con...s-central-9th/


The dry cleaners building also burned down last year in September 2020 in a fire that firefighters at the time called 'suspicious.'

https://kutv.com/news/local/large-fl...this%20morning.



I don't know if there was any follow up to that.

The Sydney is planned to be built in conjunction with Urban Alfrandre's other 900 South project directly adjacent, The Slate, which is a 148 residential unit project.

[delts145]

I hope this means The Sydney and The Slate are just around the corner now. Those are both great projects and will have a huge impact on that neighborhood.

Thought you guys might get a kick out of seeing what the original Moda Luxe was proposed as back in 2018. One example of a development becoming much bigger than originally proposed.

Downtown Update - Moda LUX Announced

Moda Lux will be an ultra-luxury, boutique apartment development in downtown Salt Lake City. The project's location, a strong job market, recent accelerated rent growth, and strong demand make this a strong opportunity.

Originally Posted by JMK

Moda LUX
JF Capital
200 E between 200 and 300 S

http://jfcapital.com/

http://jfcapital.com/

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[Comrade]

Originally Posted by delts145

I hope this means The Sydney and The Slate are just around the corner now. Those are both great projects and will have a huge impact on that neighborhood.

Thought you guys might get a kick out of seeing what the original Moda Luxe was proposed as back in 2018. One example of a development becoming much bigger than originally proposed.

Downtown Update - Moda LUX Announced

Moda Lux will be an ultra-luxury, boutique apartment development in downtown Salt Lake City. The project's location, a strong job market, recent accelerated rent growth, and strong demand make this a strong opportunity.

http://jfcapital.com/

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Depending on how the exterior turned out (whether it was mostly glass like this indicates), this looks much better than what is currently planned.

[Orlando]

I thought this was the Moda Luxe.