Edmonton Public Transit

[canucklehead2]

Originally Posted by s211

Urban renewal project? More like social engineering project, unfortunately.

Can you really go ONE day without the alt-right trolling? Seriously..

[feepa]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Is it a conveyance from point A-B as fast as possible or should it be seen as a viable option for regular trips about town?

City-wide is far more important than trying to create a spur just to get a far flung neighbourhood connected.

I love how central neighbours are now 'far flung suburbs'

I love how we have this mantra that if you don't live in a central neighbourhood, some there's this idea that you shouldn't get good transit service, despite paying the same mill rates as the rest of the ratepayers in this city.

LRT is meant to be the back bone of the transit system, the device that connects the nodes in a fast efficient manner. If you want local service, it's called a bus, or a streetcar... but heavens no, I'd never catch of the likes of the IanO and his types on a bus....

[feepa]

Originally Posted by mcc16

It is extremely tiring that the speed of the system is consistently brought up. No fucking kidding we'd all want grade separated elevated or buried systems if the billions extra wasn't an issue. But in reality, any city planning for 2 million has to think to the future areas of growth not ONLY current areas of density. It's funny that "tram" keeps being brought up as this awful thing. Have you guys been to Toronto, Dublin, Lisbon, Zagreb, Frankfurt, Portland, berlin, Milan, Budapest, Prague, Stuttgart, Zurich....and obviously others that I haven't experienced? Because from my experience, these "trams" are pretty damn awesome. A "tram" provides a reliable consistent route with decent capacity. So please for the love of god can the dinosaurs that have never been on public transit unless it's a hop on hop off in Palm Springs or Honolulu please SIT DOWN.

hey dino-lover, I'm standing up right now as I take LRT downtown. For the love of god, can you please realize that Edmonton is building these trams to the 'far-flung' suburbs. In all the cities you've named, they don't do that. Trams that stop frequently are used in the core areas... LRT or regional trains are then used to connect the outer areas.

We have bus service for local coverage. LRT for connecting nodes.

Yes, I've rode transit in a few places you've name, and many more that you haven't. I'm also a fairly regular user of transit in our city, less so now that in the past, but still I think I have fucking clue.

But hey, lets keep building shitty transit in Edmonton, and keep getting low transit usage. The people that have no other choice will continue to have no other choice, and those that might flip to transit should it be an attractive enough choice will continue to drive.

[feepa]

Originally Posted by mcc16

... Forgot Minneapolis has a "tram" from the airport to downtown AND the mall of America. Two places I never would have considered visiting in an 8 hour layover if it were on a bus... And another sure to be awful "tram" will be Amsterdam on a 10 hour layover coming up. Only awful awful cities have light rail at grade.

Hey dude - I don't see anyone calling for a completely grade separated system....
I'm glad you are sharing your travelling experience, as if in part some sort of humble brag on several posts now...

But in your several posts you've mentioned several cities, and many of those cities have a wide range of transit offering, and many of them do have some key intersections at different grades that the road way system to avoid congestion from the roadway system.



Edmonton is trying to emulate Melbourne-like system

[feepa]

[canucklehead2]

For what Edmonton's vision for the the LRT was at the time, look up the term Pre-Metro. That's what the main line is and why it was built as a subway downtown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premetro

[canucklehead2]

And of course everything from the influential 1972 U of A rapid transit study was essentially based on the Frankfurt Metro right down to the rolling stock... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_U-Bahn

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by feepa

hey dino-lover, I'm standing up right now as I take LRT downtown. For the love of god, can you please realize that Edmonton is building these trams to the 'far-flung' suburbs. In all the cities you've named, they don't do that. Trams that stop frequently are used in the core areas... LRT or regional trains are then used to connect the outer areas.

We have bus service for local coverage. LRT for connecting nodes.

Yes, I've rode transit in a few places you've name, and many more that you haven't. I'm also a fairly regular user of transit in our city, less so now that in the past, but still I think I have fucking clue.

But hey, lets keep building shitty transit in Edmonton, and keep getting low transit usage. The people that have no other choice will continue to have no other choice, and those that might flip to transit should it be an attractive enough choice will continue to drive.

Grand River ION is a 17km long route with plans to extend it into Cambridge.

The first phase of the proposed Hamilton LRT was 14km with plans to extend it further.

Fact is that the low floor LRT technology has become the preferred system of choice that many North American municipalities are adopting. It is and continues to be the most economical type of system that can appropriately service a city of 750k to 2.5-3M people. Even as our population is expected to double over the next 35-40 years we don't have the critical mass of people to warrant a higher level system.

[s211]

Originally Posted by canucklehead2

Can you really go ONE day without the alt-right trolling? Seriously..

Well that escalated quickly.

[canucklehead2]

Originally Posted by s211

Well that escalated quickly.

Riiiiiiiiiight. Keep it up and see how fast you get added to the ignore list. Merry X-mas, Mr. Fowler!

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by feepa

I love how central neighbours are now 'far flung suburbs'

I love how we have this mantra that if you don't live in a central neighbourhood, some there's this idea that you shouldn't get good transit service, despite paying the same mill rates as the rest of the ratepayers in this city.

LRT is meant to be the back bone of the transit system, the device that connects the nodes in a fast efficient manner. If you want local service, it's called a bus, or a streetcar... but heavens no, I'd never catch of the likes of the IanO and his types on a bus....

Denser neighbourhoods are far easier to service with transit and gets the most farebox recovery. Transit is a catch 22, you can't get ridership without more frequent and convenient service, but it's hard to justify frequent and convenient service without the ridership. I live out in Fraser and I've accepted the fact that transit is going to suck out here.

Unfortunately, even the LRT is also far behind say some of Vancouver's bus routes in terms of frequencies.

[feepa]

And thats what I dont get? Why are we cutting service to denser but much newer suburbs? The suburbs of today are much denser than any burb built 60s to 90s and have a great mix of residential types sfh, townhomes, apartments, condo low rises, the occasional mid rise...

[thatyegguy]

^the newer suburbs, while more dense, are not transit-friendly due to the design. there are still the long, winding roads. only one or two entrances in/ out. there's no mixed-use development. look at windemere. anyone living in those towers will likely drive to the power centre, lol. until the city has the balls to go back to and demand a standard grid, transit will always be a second choice, even in the new denser suburbs.

[DKaz]

It could be easy to service for peak hour service to employment centres and schools but most people rely on private automobiles to go to the store because they're always in these separate automobile centred commercial areas which are spread out with large parking lots that are unpleasant to walk to and through.

[s211]

Originally Posted by canucklehead2

Riiiiiiiiiight. Keep it up and see how fast you get added to the ignore list. Merry X-mas, Mr. Fowler!

I have no idea who a Mr. Fowler is. Regardless, I have no issue if anyone adds me to their ignore list. Heck, I avail myself of that option often. Maybe that's why I still have a lush lush full head of hair.: a lot less hair-pulling thanks to the ignore feature.

[feepa]

Originally Posted by thatyegguy

^the newer suburbs, while more dense, are not transit-friendly due to the design. there are still the long, winding roads. only one or two entrances in/ out. there's no mixed-use development. look at windemere. anyone living in those towers will likely drive to the power centre, lol. until the city has the balls to go back to and demand a standard grid, transit will always be a second choice, even in the new denser suburbs.

I live in ambleside but not the towers you refer to, and you couldnt be further from the truth. However, even those living downtown still drive to the grocery store when getting more than just a days worth of food. If youve only driven to the currents and never actually lived in the area i can see how youve arrived at your false presumptions. While its not the mixed use we all would like to see, its a big step in the right direction
Yes the roads are purposely designed to promote walking - as the walking paths connect directly to the center of the ‘power center’. Transit usage out here has full buses at peak hours, connecting directly to the LRT at century park. My transit time from front door to office chair downtown is about 45 minutes. with the ‘improvements’ coming down the pipe, that changes to about 75 minutes, ill go back to driving when I need to go downtown for work. Most days I work from home or the office 5 minute walk away.

[Coldrsx]

'However, even those living downtown still drive to the grocery store when getting more than just a days worth of food.'

uh huh

[feepa]

See it all the time at saveon foods and safeway downtown.

I was one of them, same with many people i know.

If you need more than a few bags, you are likely not walking.

[Glenco]

For bulk purchases the trend is towards delivery and only picking up day to day purchases at the grocery store.

[Regina Boi]

Originally Posted by feepa

See it all the time at saveon foods and safeway downtown.

I was one of them, same with many people i know.

If you need more than a few bags, you are likely not walking.

Totally agree with feepa. I live on 115 and 3 bags is typically the max I can carry. Sometimes just 2 if I am buying heavy stuff like potatoes or jars. I typically take the bus to No Frills on at Jasper Gates plaza. Save-on is so expensive. I actually also looked at delivery, and unfortunately it just isn't in my budget. So I guess I'll continue my 2 trips to the grocery store every week.