Edmonton Construction 11 (November 2011)

[Kevin_foster]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Fox Tower 1 sales


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3704/9574263637_484a3e9da9_c.jpg)

uhh.... most of fox 1 is sold??

[Coldrsx]

So it seems, although many developers will hold a few choice units until the end to maximize return on the best positioned/selling units.

Tower 2 likely for sale this fall/early 14' with construction mid year is my bet.

[feepa]

The photo is private... So not only do you need to sign into flickr/yahoo (same thing/company), but you need to have permission to view the picture....

The picture is owned by Sahlgoode who I know occasionally frequents this thread... Sahl???

[Shodan]

Future of Molson brewery site subject of Monday hearing

By Alexandra Zabjek, Edmonton Journal August 25, 2013

EDMONTON - The fate of the former Molson brewery site in Oliver could be decided by city councillors Monday as the developers who have purchased the land seek zoning approval to build a commercial complex.

But speakers have already lined up to critique the pitch, saying design plans don’t fit with the vibrant community streetscapes that have sprung up in nearby shopping districts such as 124th Street and Jasper Avenue.

“We want to see that any commercial development that comes in builds on (those districts), rather than building on the same tradition — even if it’s a hybrid — that’s to the east with Oliver Square,” said Chris vander Hoek of the Oliver Community League...

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[CMD UW]

^Should be an interesting Council meeting tomorrow.

[240glt]

Signed all the papers for the new Goldbar house this weekend and finally got to give the place a thorough going over. The bones are incredibly solid.. those '60's ranch style tract homes are really, really well built. Brand new 97.7 eff. furnace and central air, kitchen was redone in the '80's.. full thermador appliance setup from back when everything built-in was all the rage. The rest of the house is pure '60's. Dark red deep pile carpet with a wavy patern in it throughout (including the kitchen and bathrooms. Yup. Gross) Think dark red velvet drapes, panelling. Panelling everywhere. Funky glass orb style light fixtures that look neat but ohh so '60's.. those will be relocated down to my new lair in the basement. bedrooms, den and hall have white shag. And panelling.


I have a LOT of work to do. We're still trying to decide whether to rent or flip the McKay condo... I want to rent. SO wants to sell. Once we get into the new house, I am going to get the basement properly permitted and legal in the Parkdale house.. should be able to gross $2k a month out of that place

[Coldrsx]

This is a shot of the house/apartment on 104st north of 99ave that is undergoing asbestos abatement and then I am curious as to what its future is given the existence of a demo permit.

[240glt]

Doesn't look like there's much to save

[SHOFEAR]

Does anybody know the history of the area to the east of Meadowlark mall? I was biking through there yesterday and many of the homes seems very old. Was that some town that was settled and annexed as the city grew around it?

[rapid_business]

Originally Posted by Shodan

Future of Molson brewery site subject of Monday hearing

By Alexandra Zabjek, Edmonton Journal August 25, 2013

EDMONTON - The fate of the former Molson brewery site in Oliver could be decided by city councillors Monday as the developers who have purchased the land seek zoning approval to build a commercial complex.

But speakers have already lined up to critique the pitch, saying design plans don’t fit with the vibrant community streetscapes that have sprung up in nearby shopping districts such as 124th Street and Jasper Avenue.

“We want to see that any commercial development that comes in builds on (those districts), rather than building on the same tradition — even if it’s a hybrid — that’s to the east with Oliver Square,” said Chris vander Hoek of the Oliver Community League...

[email protected]
© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/story_print.html?id=8830907&sponsor=

A friendly reminder that today is the council hearing date for Molson. If you intend to speak, you need to show up before 1:30PM at City Hall to register as a speaker in front of the council chambers.

I'm sending one last email out to all the councillors this AM. I suggest you do the same if you have a moment.

[Coldrsx]

^Can't get there to speak, but have emailed a the Councillors.

[etown]

Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

Does anybody know the history of the area to the east of Meadowlark mall? I was biking through there yesterday and many of the homes seems very old. Was that some town that was settled and annexed as the city grew around it?

I'm not sure of the exact area you're referring to, but it in the 1940s about 80 miners homes were moved from a bankrupt coal mine in Brule (near Hinton). Could be those.

[Coldrsx]

(http://www.fuziononwhyte.com/assets/images/front_page9.jpg)

When will Fuzion on Whyte be completed?

First possessions for the retail space will be November, 2013. First residential possessions are slated for December 1st, 2013.

http://www.fuziononwhyte.com

[SHOFEAR]

Originally Posted by etown

I'm not sure of the exact area you're referring to, but it in the 1940s about 80 miners homes were moved from a bankrupt coal mine in Brule (near Hinton). Could be those.

We biked down 153 street north of 93 ave. That makes sense though. Some of those houses looked very small, and some old garages and sheds in their back yard that looked much older that anything in the area.

Very cool. thanks.

[CMD UW]

That Fuzion building is terrible. The prefab assembly looks like sh*t. I predict envelop failures within 12-24 months.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by rapid_business

A friendly reminder that today is the council hearing date for Molson. If you intend to speak, you need to show up before 1:30PM at City Hall to register as a speaker in front of the council chambers.

I'm sending one last email out to all the councillors this AM. I suggest you do the same if you have a moment.

done... although i'm pretty sure my sentiments are probably different that yours and Coldrsx's. here it is, typos and all:

"It Is probably not often that a developer will comment on another developer’s rezoning application. While that may be detrimental in more ways than one for our city that in itself is a topic for further discussion.

In regard to today’s application for the Molson Brewery/Oliver Square rezoning however, I would urge council NOT to direct administration to proceed with a Direct Control zoning schedule for this site. I am aware that the community league and no doubt many of the registered speakers will be urging you to do exactly that. They are wrong.

This is not a single lot or parcel that will see the development of a single building which will then stand the test of time – or not – based on its architecture and on its being the right thing – or not – for that parcel.

This a large multi-phased, multi-use development site that will take years – perhaps decades – to reach its full potential. It may well undergo a number of additions and renovations and repurposing before it does reach that full potential. For those things to happen it is imperative that the developer have the flexibility to respond to market demand in a timely fashion. For that to happen, the developer - and potential subsequent owners and their lenders - all need to have a sense of certainty of what can or can’t be done.

In addition, the city and the community also need to have some certainty in regard to what can or can’t be done. The community will “insist” that the City provide that certainty through a Direct Control zoning bylaw specifically drafted for the parcel of land. That isn’t certainty and there are dozens of them throughout downtown and the rest of the city that prove that. Many of those sites are effectively sterilized by their Direct Control zoning because they allow one form of development only and if there is no demand for it – either because the market has changed or the developer and the City missed the mark in the first place – there is no certainty other than what has been approved will never get built. There is no certainty in regard to what may be built and not potential to develop without investing years in yet another rezoning proposal that may or may not get approved.

If the City has sufficient faith in their zoning bylaws and the schedules available to them, then those are the zoning designations that should be put in place.

If the City does not have enough faith in their zoning bylaws and the schedules available to them, then fix them. You cannot “download” that fix onto individual landowners on an ad hoc basis and expect any good to come of it long-term.

There are occasions where a direct control zoning schedule may be applicable and appropriate but these are – or should be – for very specific “one off” developments such as an arena or a new court-house or a convention centre, not for “typical” projects which could well be developed anywhere in the city. For those things that “could” be developed anywhere in the city - or replicated anywhere in the city where there might be demand for them - it is imperative that the City’s standard zoning bylaws and schedules be utilized to facilitate them. If not, we might as well have a new department which is dedicated solely to writing direct control zoning provisions for every development site in the city. And if we do choose to continue down that road, we will simply make it more attractive to develop in jurisdictions where the certainty of zoning and approvals and – as a result – financing and marketing all combine to make it more attractive to invest there instead of here.

Without question the Molson Brewery/Crosstown site is an attractive long-term development site as well as a site that is relatively high-profile and of interest to the local community and to the City but so are hundreds of others.

Regards,

Ken"

[Coldrsx]

Actually... I am not personally in favour of a DC in this case for the reasons stated above and less concerned about today's rezoning/bylaw hearing. I do have concerns with the forthcoming DP, concepts shown to date and commitment from the developer to respond with changes to their concept based off of concerns from the feedback thus far.

[CMD UW]

My recommendation is that many of our zones need some fixing, period!

[Mycroft]

Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

Does anybody know the history of the area to the east of Meadowlark mall? I was biking through there yesterday and many of the homes seems very old. Was that some town that was settled and annexed as the city grew around it?

That was the town of Jasper Place, a low-income bedroom community which was annexed in 1964. My grandparents would talk about how much of the area was built without indoor plumbing...outhouses were typical, which mortified my grandmother. They moved in to a brand-new Meadowlark bungalow in the late 50's, which was in another league when compared to what existed a few blocks east.

That's the extent of my knowledge though...I have no idea how it was settled.

[Albicaulis]

Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

Does anybody know the history of the area to the east of Meadowlark mall? I was biking through there yesterday and many of the homes seems very old. Was that some town that was settled and annexed as the city grew around it?

Sounds like the Sherwood neighbourhood; it was originally part of Jasper Place (which was amalgamated into the CoE).