Edmonton Construction 13 (November 2015) - Page 409

CMD UW · #**8161** Posted **Aug 26, 2017, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Black Star

I was never a fan of this. To me it was unattractive and a waste of cash.....

Considering it was intended to be a trial run I don't think it was a waste of cash at all. In fact it proved that Jasper Avenue still functions very well as an arterial with the reduced lane widths. I think it's time to move forward with the permanent infrastructure. Just get it done along with the rest of Jasper Avenue.

s211 · #**8162** Posted **Aug 26, 2017, 7:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

I cannot believe it has been that long already.

Celebrate the 25th Anniversary of City Hall!

August 25, 2017

For 25 years, City Hall has been one of Edmonton’s most recognizable landmarks. Home of our civic leadership and a “people place” – this iconic building is much-loved gathering place for the community.

How old was the former city hall before it got demolished? Just curious.

Hallsy's Toupee · #**8163** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 1:57 AM**

Residents concerned about tall towers proposed in Oliver
http://globalnews.ca/news/3698657/residents-concerned-about-tall-towers-proposed-in-oliver/

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Oliver residents are expressing concern after a public information session on Saturday gave them a glimpse at plans for two high-rises being proposed in their neighbourhood.

The proposed development by Greenlong Construction would see a 48-storey tower built along Jasper Avenue and 115 Street with a 37-storey tower to the north.

There would be commercial space on the ground floor with residential above it; parking would be below grade.

Coldrsx · #**8164** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 5:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

How old was the former city hall before it got demolished? Just curious.

1957 I believe.

EdmTrekker · #**8165** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 6:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hallsy's Toupee

Residents concerned about tall towers proposed in Oliver
http://globalnews.ca/news/3698657/residents-concerned-about-tall-towers-proposed-in-oliver/

"Petrin said it would take roughly one year to submit a rezoning application to the city and then approximately one year after that to complete a development application."

With naysayers in Oliver and international money at play - I doubt the prospective backers are going to wait around for the snail pace planning and approvals in the bureaucracy called the City of Edmonton. That money will move to other infra investments that can be constructed faster elsewhere - anywhere else.

Coldrsx · #**8166** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 1:35 PM**

Actually... our jurisdiction is often less complex and moves quicker than say a Toronto or Vancouver.

Two years for a rezone and DP application for a significant development with a considerable increase in Hight, Density and FAR is reasonable comparatively speaking.

Coldrsx · #**8167** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 1:35 PM**

Interesting read on Calgary's office vacancy situation. Cautionary tales and perspective.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news...ate-means-for-businesses-across-the-city

74Magnum · #**8168** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 3:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Interesting read on Calgary's office vacancy situation. Cautionary tales and perspective.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news...ate-means-for-businesses-across-the-city

I was working onsite for a major oil sands producer during this cull. Many people I communicated with on a daily basis were gone in an instant. The amount of Calgary staff that disappeared was staggering. Teams of legal/financial/acquisition etc. were reduced to one person with one or two support staff.

The amount of growth the company had between recovery after 2008 through 2013 was staggering but being there and knowing it wasn't sustainable was always the elephant in the room.

I don't work onsite anymore but I do still provide some support work for them here and there. Those Calgary jobs haven't come back and are not going to back soon if ever. The 2008 problem was dealt with (largely) by reducing field staff but this time around Calgary based operations had to acknowledge their own issues this time as well.

Definitely things to learn and a landscape to change.

Urban recluse · #**8169** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 3:06 PM**

So sad.

MacLac · #**8170** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 3:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

So sad.

So sad? Wtf?! In what way? In a way that "gee whizz people are out of work? Or as in "gee whizz there is a ton of empty office space?" If it's the latter - how does empty office space in Calgary make you sad?

Urban recluse · #**8171** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by MacLac

So sad? Wtf?! In what way? In a way that "gee whizz people are out of work? Or as in "gee whizz there is a ton of empty office space?" If it's the latter - how does empty office space in Calgary make you sad?

Perhaps you should take some diazepam, and f@ck off? The whole economic situation in Calgary is unfortunate. Why would anyone find amusement in so much empty office space, restaurants closing, etc?

MacLac · #**8172** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Perhaps you should take some diazepam, and f@ck off? The whole economic situation in Calgary is unfortunate. Why would anyone find amusement in so much empty office space, restaurants closing, etc?

Diazepam? Not familiar with that drug - but I guess you are. Now I get it, you live in Cowtown...now it makes sense. How the f#@k can someone such as yourself feel "sad" for empty office space....that's amusing...lol

Jaws · #**8173** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by MacLac

Diazepam? Not familiar with that drug - but I guess you are. Now I get it, you live in Cowtown...now it makes sense. How the f#@k can someone such as yourself feel "sad" for empty office space....that's amusing...lol

I believe that he said he wasn't happy with the economic situation in Calgary. I don't think any of his posts were worthy of your ire.

itom 987 · #**8174** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 6:11 PM**

It is hard to feel sad about Calgary's economic situation because Calgary tries to steal Edmonton's thunder on a regular basis.

Urban recluse · #**8175** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by MacLac

Diazepam? Not familiar with that drug - but I guess you are. Now I get it, you live in Cowtown...now it makes sense. How the f#@k can someone such as yourself feel "sad" for empty office space....that's amusing...lol

Where I live is irrelevant. Any aspect of the negative economic conditions in Calgary is not worth rejoicing.

Urban recluse · #**8176** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by itom 987

It is hard to feel sad about Calgary's economic situation because Calgary tries to steal Edmonton's thunder on a regular basis.

I don't think so. Two major cities competing with each other is not a cornerstone for disdain.

74Magnum · #**8177** Posted **Aug 27, 2017, 8:02 PM**

From what I know everybody who I knew that did get laid off did find work and while not necessarily as "Cadillac" as what they had they're OK. Some got similar positions while others were humbled.

Although I had/have nothing to do with real estate (nuts and bolts on my end, dumb end of the stick) it was no secret that the company had piles of sublet space which was sitting empty or being built. The quantifiable vacancy number is scary in itself let alone the sublet issue.

On my end nobody got laid off (essential support/services) outside of a handful dead weight and redundancy that didn't belong in the first place. There are still plenty of high paid individuals making a very good living off oil and we tend to forget that when the chips are down. I was able to find a niche locally and am happy to be home but I can't criticize the opportunities oil gave me over most of my adult life. I'm not dancing on anybody's grave but you could see it coming from miles away just like every other time. The blank cheques they were handing out 2011-2014 were outrageously short sited even by oil patch standards.

WhipperSnapper · #**8178** Posted **Aug 28, 2017, 1:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Actually... our jurisdiction is often less complex and moves quicker than say a Toronto or Vancouver.

Two years for a rezone and DP application for a significant development with a considerable increase in Hight, Density and FAR is reasonable comparatively speaking.

Yeah, 2 years won't happen in Toronto.

WhipperSnapper · #**8179** Posted **Aug 28, 2017, 1:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Where I live is irrelevant. Any aspect of the negative economic conditions in Calgary is not worth rejoicing.

Office space was grossly overbuilt in Calgary. The high vacancy rate doesn't reflect the economic conditions there. It's really not that bad. There's just an ongoing correction as things are brought back down to reality after the overheated, crazy boom.

The ones suffering from the office glut are oil companies and billion dollar REITs. I'm not to shed a tear for these guys that put themselves in this predictable position.

CMD UW · #**8180** Posted **Aug 28, 2017, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

"Petrin said it would take roughly one year to submit a rezoning application to the city and then approximately one year after that to complete a development application."

With naysayers in Oliver and international money at play - I doubt the prospective backers are going to wait around for the snail pace planning and approvals in the bureaucracy called the City of Edmonton. That money will move to other infra investments that can be constructed faster elsewhere - anywhere else.

You have no idea how much easier it is to get towers approved here versus other major centres. See how long the process takes in Toronto or Vancouver even Calgary.