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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 4:21 PM
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'Thats my opinion but then I can be full of BS a good portion of time.'

A good portion seems about right
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 4:25 PM
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'Thats my opinion but then I can be full of BS a good portion of time.'

A good portion seems about right
One more project Ian then we are through. but I will let you buy the beer at the first patio of the season.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 4:32 PM
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I agree with you 240.
The documentation however is the real issue and I believe the cause of increased costs. Having dealt with the mechanical side now for a few years there are some elements of LEED that could be made more functional with regard the installed systems. LEED is starting to address the long term post construction functionality of a building. Educating some contractors and clients and getting them to buy into the process is still an ongoing issue. Some of the most efficient HVAC systems I have dealt with use the KISS system.
Yes, I agree. I've spent the better part of my career working with BMCS systems and quite often the most efficient operation of the equipment is also the simplest. There's a reason that when I was in the industry, many engineers called me to write the sequences for them.

I remember working a project down south, located right next to the QE2, that called for natural ventilation through automatic awning windows facing west. The first problem was that the building systems were pressure dependent so every time the awnings would open the bulding would lose all its static, and the second problem was was that grit from the highway was being introduced to the building through the awnings. The FM I was working with the commission the system basically said that as soon as the windows were proven and the point was awarded, they were to be pinned shut... so a LEED point cost a public building $45,000 for a feature that'll never be used.

So Ian, in terms of the argument I think that the point is that following LEED standards + the way the city manages its bureaucracy means that it costs a lot more for civic buildings.. and I'll beleive that 100%

The only thing in the article that really worries me is the issue with the trees.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 4:39 PM
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'So Ian, in terms of the argument I think that the point is that following LEED standards + the way the city manages its bureaucracy means that it costs a lot more for civic buildings.. and I'll beleive that 100%'

Our general rule of thumb is that a LEED building will cost anyone 1-10% more than a conventional building depending on if it is Cert-Silver-Gold-Plat.... so 7% is not outrageous by any means.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 4:42 PM
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^ Of course a consultant is going to say that
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Ian as much as I want to agree with you. The realistic cost are much more, some may be hidden from the final cost. i.e., the cost of completing the LEED documentation 2 or more years after the project is complete. And I can name a number of projects that this is happening on. Cost that the consultants have to absorb but will later pass it on to a future client in the form of increased fees.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2013, 5:12 PM
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I am talking purely building costs, not consultant costs.
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Telus World of Science is getting an upgrade to their IMAX system - moving to the next generation laser digital projection technology. The Edmonton Space and Science Foundation has reached an agreement with IMAX to bring in the new equipment when it launches next year.

"The TELUS World of Science - Edmonton is a world-class center of education and we are honored to be a part of their revitalization project that is driven by our shared spirit of innovation and discovery," said Larry O’Reilly, President, Worldwide Sales, IMAX. "We applaud the vision of our valued, long-time partner that will be among the first to transition to our next-generation laser solution - a technology both the TELUS World of Science - Edmonton and IMAX believe will be by far the most advanced projection system available for many years to come."

The theatre at the Telus World of Science will close in September for 3.8 million dollars of renovations. They will bring in new seating, a larger IMAX screen and audio system. They'll update to a xenon-based IMAX digital projection system before the IMAX dual 4K laser system launches next year.
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Most likely a bingo you have there, sonny.
Unfortunately that means we get an uglier building and what does Katz really care about that...its a short term commitment (relatively) to him and we are stuck with a sorry ass value engineered building long term. Think about the tin box the University built and value engineered to death called the Saville Centre. Oh momma - please say it aint so (but it is likely coming...first the titalium is gone and now????) possibly the "impact" oil drop deign is dropped or "revised" in the quest to VE and find $55M in "savings"....long term pain for short term gain.
     
     
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the rebirth of the alberta hotel bar

Click the link to see some pretty pictures.

According to the article, Dub is still looking for someone to lease or purchase the bar.
     
     
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Unfortunately that means we get an uglier building and what does Katz really care about that...its a short term commitment (relatively) to him and we are stuck with a sorry ass value engineered building long term. Think about the tin box the University built and value engineered to death called the Saville Centre. Oh momma - please say it aint so (but it is likely coming...first the titalium is gone and now????) possibly the "impact" oil drop deign is dropped or "revised" in the quest to VE and find $55M in "savings"....long term pain for short term gain.
I share your concern, but I also hope that with a fair amount of wisdom and pragmatism that they can make some choices that will not effect the long-term success of the arena - if the arena is not plated in nickel or steel or whatnot - perhaps another material that looks good can be used at half the cost, etc.

That being said...holding my breath until we hear more.

AUSTERITY ARENA!!!! (joking )
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the rebirth of the alberta hotel bar

Click the link to see some pretty pictures.

According to the article, Dub is still looking for someone to lease or purchase the bar.
Oh man. Thats gorgeous. Amazing we brought this back to life. Doubt there will be any issues renting out. Hopefully they can keep it classy.....
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To steal a term from a great man who would of loved a chance to drink a few pints there...thats horny.
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^haha indeed. Pouring one out for our Gints.
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wooo.....sexy. looks like a true curtain wall.
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Reasonable to assume at this point that the whole enveloppe will be curtain wall ? I'd think they would have framed & finished any built in place exterior walls by now...


The only thing I don't like about how it looks (at this very preliminary stage) is how many mullions there are. More opportunity for leakage, shifting, etc.
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^no

Typical size... no worries if installed right.
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^ No, as in they're going to frame in after they install the curtain wall frame ? Seems a bit ass-backwards.

It's not typical. There's nothing typical about curtain wall. Seems like there are a lot of spandrel sections.

Even a properly installed curtainwall will shift over time.
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Lakeland College is expanding. I will try to post a cople of renderings if I can.
     
     
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