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Old Posted Feb 13, 2015, 4:00 AM
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NCC close to announcing LeBreton Flats shortlist as names of proponents emerge

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 12, 2015, Last Updated: February 12, 2015 6:47 PM EST


The National Capital Commission is moving forward quickly with the first phase of its plan to redevelop LeBreton Flats.

The NCC is expected to announce soon which of the five teams that submitted conceptual proposals by last month’s deadline will be invited to develop detailed design and financial proposals for a 9.3-hectare section of the Flats. A selection committee has been evaluating the submissions.

The NCC originally said it would reveal the identities of the approved teams in March, after ratification by its board of directors. But spokesman Jean Wolff now says the announcement “could be much earlier.”

While few reliable details about the content of their proposals have emerged, sources say a new central library is an element of many of them — perhaps as many as four.

As well, one team is believed to be proposing a new home for Library and Archives Canada, whose current facility at 395 Wellington St. is nearly 50 years old. The NCC wants the development to include a “signature attraction” of regional, national or international significance.

The NCC has kept the proposals and identities of the proponents secret, even threatening to disqualify teams that reveal details of their submission. Until now, only the Ottawa Senators have publicly acknowledged submitting a proposal that included a new downtown arena.

But multiple sources have identified several of the other proponents, who include some of the country’s largest development and construction firms. The Citizen sought confirmation from all of the named firms, but most did not respond.

Team One

As everyone knows, the lead player of one of the teams is Eugene Melnyk’s Ottawa Senators. But its partners have never been identified. A key one is Trinity Development Group, founded in 1992 by John Ruddy.

Ruddy is also one of the five partners in the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, the consortium that is redeveloping Lansdowne Park, where Trinity is responsible for retail elements.

Trinity has developed more than 25 million square feet of retail space across Canada, primarily in large-format, urban and community shopping centres. According to its website, it has 17 projects, totalling more than 7.5 million square feet, in various stages of development.

Team Two

It’s an open secret that Claridge, Ottawa’s largest land developer, has submitted a proposal. Since its founding by Bill Malhotra in 1986, Claridge has built more than 8,000 homes, 4,000 condominium units and 500 retirement home suites in this region. It is also the builder of the often criticized condo apartments on the eastern edge of LeBreton Flats.

According to sources, Claridge’s development partners might include First Capital Realty and Main and Main Developments, both of Toronto.

First Capital, valued at $7.7 billion, owns interests in more than 160 urban retail-centred properties, many in the Greater Toronto Area and Montreal. It has seven properties in Ottawa, including College Square and the Gloucester City Centre. In December 2014, it announced plans to invest $1 billion over the next five years in major urban centres in Canada, including Ottawa/Gatineau.

Main and Main is a joint venture of First Capital Realty, created in 2011 to assemble, develop and operate sites in Toronto for retail or mixed use. So far, its Ottawa footprint is modest: it’s planning to build a 70-unit condo at 236 Richmond Road in Westboro.

Another member of the Claridge team is believed to be Urban Strategies, an award-winning urban planning and design firm in Toronto. One of its partners, George Dark, has worked extensively in Ottawa and chaired the design review panel hired to advise the city on the Lansdowne Park redevelopment.

Team Three

Another team is led by Devcore Group, a Gatineau development company run by Jean-Pierre Poulin. To this point, it has done nothing on the scale of the LeBreton Flats project, focusing on low-rise and mid-rise residential projects in Gatineau, Eastern Ontario and Val-d’Or, Quebec.

However, Devcore has a strong team behind it, which might include Montreal real-estate developer and construction firm Broccolini. That company built the Export Development Canada building at 150 Slater, the largest office construction project in downtown Ottawa in the past 25 years.

Other players

One confirmed participant is Pomerleau, the biggest player in Quebec’s construction industry. “We’re a member of one of the teams,” Carolyne Van der Meer, Pomerleau’s director of communications, said this week, “but we are not leading or fronting a proposal.”

The company was the general contractor for $136 million worth of work at Lansdowne Park, including rebuilding the stadium and constructing the underground parking garage.

The chosen teams will have until August to submit detailed development proposals. with a recommended winner approved by the NCC board in November and sign-off by the federal government by June 2016.

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based on what I know, team ruddy/greenberg/etc is in this to win this. I mentioned months ago that this project is landsdowne x10. Ruddy/Greenberg/Melnyk will win this and transform our city into a legitimate metropolis.

landsdowne allowed the players to see what was possible if they worked together. LeBreton will show that and more.
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based on what I know, team ruddy/greenberg/etc is in this to win this. I mentioned months ago that this project is landsdowne x10. Ruddy/Greenberg/Melnyk will win this and transform our city into a legitimate metropolis.

landsdowne allowed the players to see what was possible if they worked together. LeBreton will show that and more.
You're forgetting the one things standing in their way. The NCC
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I wonder what each team will propose to meet the signature attraction that is "unique, for all canadians" criteria from the NCC. I mean, I get a lot of them are trying to squeeze in a library to please the City but a city library, I don't think, counts as a "national or international signature attraction"...

One thing is for sure, we pretty much know all of them will include condos, offices, retail, some sort of open plaza or park space, library / NHL arena... so I'm really interested to see the "what else"
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I wonder what each team will propose to meet the signature attraction that is "unique, for all canadians" criteria from the NCC. I mean, I get a lot of them are trying to squeeze in a library to please the City but a city library, I don't think, counts as a "national or international signature attraction"...

One thing is for sure, we pretty much know all of them will include condos, offices, retail, some sort of open plaza or park space, library / NHL arena... so I'm really interested to see the "what else"
Library connected to the national archives?
A public square with a year-round fountain?
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If Trinity Developments is involved in the Sens proposal, I hope they propose something like what the Edmonton Oilers are building or something like Maple Leaf Square and not Lansdowne. Trinity's last proposal for Rideau Street is nice and they're actually proposing 50 storeys near Bayview Station, but I feel like when it comes to retail they only know big box type developments. Whatever they build, I hope it looks big city and is high quality.
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If Trinity Developments is involved in the Sens proposal, I hope they propose something like what the Edmonton Oilers are building or something like Maple Leaf Square and not Lansdowne. Trinity's last proposal for Rideau Street is nice and they're actually proposing 50 storeys near Bayview Station, but I feel like when it comes to retail they only know big box type developments. Whatever they build, I hope it looks big city and is high quality.
Huh? Lansdowne isn't big box in any sense of the word. No surface parking, pedestrian oriented, small stores.
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Maybe it is the week 7 of way below seasonal temperatures talking, but it would be nice if Ottawa had an interesting indoor attraction, something like the Muttart Conservatory in Edmonton, the biodome in Montreal, Ripley's in Toronto or even Galaxyland at the west edmonton mall.
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Maybe it is the week 7 of way below seasonal temperatures talking, but it would be nice if Ottawa had an interesting indoor attraction, something like the Muttart Conservatory in Edmonton, the biodome in Montreal, Ripley's in Toronto or even Galaxyland at the west edmonton mall.
Well we had something a bit like that but the bankers took it away. I used to love going in here on the coldest days

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Huh? Lansdowne isn't big box in any sense of the word. No surface parking, pedestrian oriented, small stores.
I think the general sentiment I've heard regarding Trinity's work at Lansdowne is that although it isn't the definition of "Big Box," it's all the same stores you would find in a big box. Winners, PetSmart, etc, people wanted something new and different.
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Well we had something a bit like that but the bankers took it away. I used to love going in here on the coldest days
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Sun Life still has a pretty nice winter garden, but we could definitely use a few more!
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I think the general sentiment I've heard regarding Trinity's work at Lansdowne is that although it isn't the definition of "Big Box," it's all the same stores you would find in a big box. Winners, PetSmart, etc, people wanted something new and different.
Exactly. I still go to Lansdowne somewhat often. I'm not a hater. But overall, the design of the retail is ok but it could be better (i.e. The Shops At Don Mills). But the retail mix could be a lot better. The majority of the tenants could be found in a suburban retail development in Ottawa or Toronto, even some of those restaurants that are new to Ottawa.
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Exactly. I still go to Lansdowne somewhat often. I'm not a hater. But overall, the design of the retail is ok but it could be better (i.e. The Shops At Don Mills). But the retail mix could be a lot better. The majority of the tenants could be found in a suburban retail development in Ottawa or Toronto, even some of those restaurants that are new to Ottawa.
Ah, ok, got it. Yes, it is a bunch of chain stores. At least they're in an urban format, which IMO makes it okay as it can evolve into something else over time. The economics of new developments doesn't lend well to independent retailers.

As for the Shops at Don Mills, that's an example of the incredible urbanization of Toronto's suburbs that's happened in recent years. It would be awesome if we could replicate that in Ottawa. The Gloucester Centre complex would be a perfect candidate for that kind of redevelopment IMO.
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I wonder what each team will propose to meet the signature attraction that is "unique, for all canadians" criteria from the NCC. I mean, I get a lot of them are trying to squeeze in a library to please the City but a city library, I don't think, counts as a "national or international signature attraction"...

One thing is for sure, we pretty much know all of them will include condos, offices, retail, some sort of open plaza or park space, library / NHL arena... so I'm really interested to see the "what else"
Of course there'll be an open plaza.

There's always a wind-swept, barren, sterile, dysfunctional, useless and unused open plaza (for all Canadians) in these plans.

The only question is which corner the 14 flagpoles will go on.
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I wonder what each team will propose to meet the signature attraction that is "unique, for all canadians" criteria from the NCC. I mean, I get a lot of them are trying to squeeze in a library to please the City but a city library, I don't think, counts as a "national or international signature attraction"...

One thing is for sure, we pretty much know all of them will include condos, offices, retail, some sort of open plaza or park space, library / NHL arena... so I'm really interested to see the "what else"
This is probably wishful thinking, but a new Science & Tech museum would be great.
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The only question is which corner the 14 flagpoles will go on.
I assume the winner will be the design that incorporates the most sets of 14 flagpoles, with most surface parking as a tie-breaker.
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Ah, ok, got it. Yes, it is a bunch of chain stores. At least they're in an urban format, which IMO makes it okay as it can evolve into something else over time. The economics of new developments doesn't lend well to independent retailers.

As for the Shops at Don Mills, that's an example of the incredible urbanization of Toronto's suburbs that's happened in recent years. It would be awesome if we could replicate that in Ottawa. The Gloucester Centre complex would be a perfect candidate for that kind of redevelopment IMO.
I think the problem with Lansdowne is the lack of mix (residential is off to the side of the development, the buildings are big box format on top with mostly restaurants at the ground level) which gives the development a suburban feel. Minus the Aberdeen Pavilion, it could be any random lifestyle mall anywhere in North America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifesty...r_%28retail%29

I hope at lebretton they give it a more urban feel: mixture of office and residential above the stores, mixture of different size retail, narrow streets, pocket parks, etc.
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This is probably wishful thinking, but a new Science & Tech museum would be great.
I think it was confirmed that their is no Sci-Tech Museum proposal in the lot.
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I think it was confirmed that their is no Sci-Tech Museum proposal in the lot.
That's too bad, and a missed opportunity. :-(
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