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Really happy to see the Mayor standup for the West Side on this one. There were a few exchanges that went on, one particularly between herself and Jim Irving that deserve to be clipped as reuploaded as clips on their own.

Though, I’m not sure this saga is quite over yet…
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MP, John Williamson (CPC) continuing to support the "Save Lorneville" movement



Anyone have a theory at what John Williamson is playing at here? I think there's no way he'd still be posting in opposition to this project had the CPC won and formed government.

To me, this continues to seem like shameless pandering, but it's also perplexing, because as a Conservative, it's just strange that he's so opposed industrial development within the largest city of his riding...

Yet, here is our opposition, Conservative MP, sloganeering about a major industrial project like it's still the middle of a campaign. I don't think his support for this cause will last much longer.

I fully expect the city council will be approving the proposed expansion, largely unchanged... and I expect our MP will suddenly change his tune once that happens.

Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see what is actually approved, and if he remains opposed post approval. While Wayne Long was our MP for the West Side... I can't remember a single instance of him opposing a project or priority set by the City of Saint John. I guess it's easier for Mr. Williamson to do so as a member of the opposition, and as an MP for a riding that is mostly located outside the City of Saint John.

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Old Posted May 12, 2025, 12:48 AM
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Lorneville: Proposed Expansions to Spruce Lake Industrial Park. Public Hearing 04/12

Here's the Agenda package for the meeting.


Here are two maps from the package that seem especially pertinent to the current discussion/debate about this proposed development:





It's a very substantial area, and there is a lot of room for significant economic development here. There are substantial wetlands involved here, but not all commercial and industrial developments would completely destroy or desecrate these wetlands, I think they could be reasonably protected within an industrial zone, depending on what those industrial and commercial activities are, of course.

Initially, I was most concerned about that coastal parcel, but since that portion is now rumoured to be related to expansions for the Port of Saint John, this whole project seems incredibly promising. This type of proposed industrial development in conjunction with port expansion could see the Port of Saint John rise back up the list to the #2 spot for Canadian Ports according to cargo tonnage... and if also related to container shipping, which it likely would be, we could even see Saint John reach the #2 spot in container volume, because if I recall correctly, The Port of Saint John already has a plan to eventually surpass 1 million TEUs annually, and, again correct me if I'm wrong, is based on the current footprint of the port, which doesn't even include the possibility of expanding into the AIM site.

So, if the Port of Saint was to expand container operations into Lorneville, to facilitate container ships that are too large to be currently serviced in the inner harbour, that could very well put the port on a path towards 2 million TEUs or more. Considering Montreal already handles 1.7 million TEUs and growing, as a non ocean port, it's really not a huge stretch for Saint John to reach such heights in the not so distant future.

I really hope the city is able to comment, or at list give us some informed hints tomorrow night, on if these rumoured port developments in Lorneville are worth getting our hopes up for or not.

To me, whether the link to the port/port expansion is true or not is crucial to determining if that oceanside parcel is either the most excessive piece of this proposal, or the most important piece of this proposal. If it is indeed linked to port expansion, and we do find out that much of the rest of the expansion will also have the potential for synergy with the port, then I really think this is a no brainer to approve and be excited about.

Until we find out more though, I'll remain cautiously optimistic that this proposal will be an overwhelmingly positive development, and something that will boost the economy of Saint John. While we may not hear confirmation about the rumours relating to port expansion at the meeting tomorrow night, should it be approved, we should at least start hearing a lot more accurate details about the project going forward and see if the rumours turn into reality. Here's hoping this proposal is related to future port expansions.

Will be interesting to see how the meeting tomorrow night unfolds! 🍿 🍿
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Some images of the site from a CTV article covering them 'breaking ground'.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/new-brun...old-storage-facility-at-port-saint-john/



This is a promising development for the west side
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JYSK coming soon to the West Side



According to city councillor, Greg Norton, JYSK is coming soon to the West Side, and posted this pic of the new sign out front.

I wonder how soon is soon. It's certainly not an IKEA, but JYSK is often described as a smaller, more affordable alternative to IKEA. So, it could fill a niche.

Good to see this project is actually moving forward.
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I've heard more cynical people describe JYSK as a Dollar Store IKEA.
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I've heard more cynical people describe JYSK as a Dollar Store IKEA.
Haters gonna hate - There aren't too any options for furniture around here these days. It will be nice to have another choice.
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Anyone have a theory at what John Williamson is playing at here? I think there's no way he'd still be posting in opposition to this project had the CPC won and formed government.
John Williamson is a Conservative hack. He should never have won the new riding. Had Karen Ludwig been the MP, you would have seen more support for everything on the west side in terms of economic growth - Simm's Corner, Lorneville, and an expanded port and rail corridor. He's done nothing for Charlotte County by basically blocking any funding from the Liberals for projects in his region - housing excelerator, infrastructure. And now, he's pro blocking the expansion of the port, and any economic activity in West Saint John. So yes, your theory is correct. As long as there is a Liberal Prime Minister, Williamson is going to do whatever he can to block anything. Truly Sad.

My election hierarchy of best to worst was as follows:

#1 Carney-Wayne-Ludwig (Ideal tri-fecta)
#2 Polievre-Wayne-Ludwig (OK, because they would have at least worked with him - especially on energy east)
#3 Polievre-Wayne-Williamson (Bad - Because Williamson would slow down anything cargo-wise to focus on oil/gas - so no Simm's Corner)
#4 Carney-Wayne-Williamson (Worst - Because Williamson would block everything)

Sadly, we got #4.

Basically, he's the Majorie Taylor Green of New Brunswick. Unless the leader is Conservative, he'll block everything for his riding and make it look like it is the Liberals fault for why things are bad. And the end result is the local residents slip backwards and don't get the new jobs and opportunity they deserve. But hey, everyone had a chance to vote. I'm done my partisan rant now. LOL
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2025, 11:25 PM
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I've heard more cynical people describe JYSK as a Dollar Store IKEA.
Well, we know Saint John’s full of cynics lol
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John Williamson is a Conservative hack. He should never have won the new riding. Had Karen Ludwig been the MP, you would have seen more support for everything on the west side in terms of economic growth - Simm's Corner, Lorneville, and an expanded port and rail corridor. He's done nothing for Charlotte County by basically blocking any funding from the Liberals for projects in his region - housing excelerator, infrastructure. And now, he's pro blocking the expansion of the port, and any economic activity in West Saint John. So yes, your theory is correct. As long as there is a Liberal Prime Minister, Williamson is going to do whatever he can to block anything. Truly Sad.

My election hierarchy of best to worst was as follows:

#1 Carney-Wayne-Ludwig (Ideal tri-fecta)
#2 Polievre-Wayne-Ludwig (OK, because they would have at least worked with him - especially on energy east)
#3 Polievre-Wayne-Williamson (Bad - Because Williamson would slow down anything cargo-wise to focus on oil/gas - so no Simm's Corner)
#4 Carney-Wayne-Williamson (Worst - Because Williamson would block everything)

Sadly, we got #4.

Basically, he's the Majorie Taylor Green of New Brunswick. Unless the leader is Conservative, he'll block everything for his riding and make it look like it is the Liberals fault for why things are bad. And the end result is the local residents slip backwards and don't get the new jobs and opportunity they deserve. But hey, everyone had a chance to vote. I'm done my partisan rant now. LOL
Interesting assessment regarding the ideal/worst case results, but can't say I agree, not when lone MPs cant exactly block things from happening in their ridings. I certainly don’t expect him to become an advocate for West Saint John, but as long as the Liberals have enough votes to pass their agenda, I’m not sure what he can actually do to block things from happening within his riding. I expect he’ll continue posting his far right nonsense and fake outrage. I can't see how a PP minority would have been any better for the West Side/Saint John in the slightest, especially option #2 where SJ would have had two opposition MPs.

The realignment that led to the creation of this Saint John–St. Croix riding should be motivation for the city to refocus development on the West Side of the river… the riding will continue to be dominated by rural interests until we see significant population growth in West Saint John. I’m not happy he is basically proving Wayne Long right, in that the West Side has essentially lost their federal representation. I was optimistic that this new riding could have actually been better than the situation before, especially because of the importance of the West Side Docks.

At least Wayne Long claims he still has the West Side’s back and will continue advocating for it in Ottawa, even if our actual MP won’t.

It's one thing if Williamson continues to feign outrage about the Lorneville industrial park expansion, as it's a shameless ploy to shore up their support in the next election, but to actually come out and block port expansion or try and block the Simms corner rebuild, I just don't see why he would he would do that.

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I certainly don’t expect him to become an advocate for West Saint John, but as long as the Liberals have enough votes to pass their agenda, I’m not sure what he can actually do to block things from happening within his riding. I expect he’ll continue posting his far right nonsense and fake outrage.
A lot of projects have funding from multiple levels of government, and an MP who isn't hustling to get federal funds will be swamped by the other 342 looking to get money for their own ridings.
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John Williamson is a Conservative hack. He should never have won the new riding. Had Karen Ludwig been the MP, you would have seen more support for everything on the west side in terms of economic growth - Simm's Corner, Lorneville, and an expanded port and rail corridor. He's done nothing for Charlotte County by basically blocking any funding from the Liberals for projects in his region - housing excelerator, infrastructure. And now, he's pro blocking the expansion of the port, and any economic activity in West Saint John. So yes, your theory is correct. As long as there is a Liberal Prime Minister, Williamson is going to do whatever he can to block anything. Truly Sad.

My election hierarchy of best to worst was as follows:

#1 Carney-Wayne-Ludwig (Ideal tri-fecta)
#2 Polievre-Wayne-Ludwig (OK, because they would have at least worked with him - especially on energy east)
#3 Polievre-Wayne-Williamson (Bad - Because Williamson would slow down anything cargo-wise to focus on oil/gas - so no Simm's Corner)
#4 Carney-Wayne-Williamson (Worst - Because Williamson would block everything)

Sadly, we got #4.

Basically, he's the Majorie Taylor Green of New Brunswick. Unless the leader is Conservative, he'll block everything for his riding and make it look like it is the Liberals fault for why things are bad. And the end result is the local residents slip backwards and don't get the new jobs and opportunity they deserve. But hey, everyone had a chance to vote. I'm done my partisan rant now. LOL
I have to disagree as well. I don't think a single opposition MP like Williamson has nearly the power you think. His ability to obstruct or block projects is extremely limited compared to a US congressman or senator. I would think the bigger problem would be his lack of influence and inability to successfully lobby for federal funding. However, I see that being offset by Wayne Long's influence and interest when it comes to the port or a major investment in a newly expanded Spruce Lake Industrial Park. While neither are geographically in Long's riding both would have significant importance to Saint John as a whole.

While the boundaries have unfortunately changed I expect you will continue to see Long feel and act as if he is the de facto MP for all of Saint John.

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Well, we know Saint John’s full of cynics lol
One man's cynic is another man's realist.
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Some pics of the Carleton Martello Tower re-construction project











The project is still very much "under wraps" and very much inaccessible to the public.

I really wonder how much longer this project is going to take.
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Do we know how much they have spent on this vs what they planned?

It is insane how long this has gone on. I appreciate that historical buildings require delicate repairs, but what has it been? 4 years?
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Yeah, the Martello Tower renovation/rebuilding has to be right up there with military procurement when it comes to government inefficiency being taken to jaw dropping heights.

It has been closed since 2016 and this CBC story from 2019 said it was expected to reopen in 2020. I get the pandemic got in the way but for 5 years?
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Do we know how much they have spent on this vs what they planned?

It is insane how long this has gone on. I appreciate that historical buildings require delicate repairs, but what has it been? 4 years?
Yeah, try more like 8 or 9 years. lol I haven't been inside the tower for well over a decade now, and never been inside the lookout on top. I think the biggest issue was how long it took them to actually start working in the first place. They were supposedly doing a lot of work in the inside to start with, but it seemed like almost nothing actually started getting done until around 2020.

I live very close to the tower, and I don't think covid is much of an excuse for why it's taken so long, considering they seemed to get most of their major work done during the pandemic.

At least after they finished the initial re-construction of the tower, it was still possible to get right up to the tower, just not inside. However, it's since been completely under wraps and entirely fenced off for a while now. I'm really hoping we see that perimeter fence removed this year, and the inside of the tower open soon enough.

I think the initial estimate was around $30 million dollars, but I think it will be closer to $45 million or more by the time it's all done and re-opened as a tourist site. I wonder how many more millions it would take to get an aerial tramway built between the Martello Tower hill and Partridge Island?



Probably less than the cost of this tower reconstruction project... and for something much, much cooler.

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Looks like the sarcophagus they built for Cherobyl but on a smaller scale. I hope it's not leaking radiation.
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The plywood around the lower part has been there so long it has weathered to the point it even looks like concrete.
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