Amazon HQ2 thread - Page 197

skyscraperpage17 · #**3921** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by skyscraper

Not to put too fine a point on this, but in selecting both NOVA and LIC, amazon confirmed that they want to be near DC and NYC. They could have done this by consolidating in Philly.
That is all.

Too bad Bezos' heart was not in Philly, eh?

iheartthed · #**3922** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by k1052

I'm increasingly wary that they're going to run into local problems in LIC as a result of how they conducted themselves and Cuomo's excessive public thirst.

I don't think Amazon has much to worry about. But I think this probably kills whatever chance Cuomo did have at competing in the presidential primary.

BG918 · #**3923** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by skyscraper

Not to put too fine a point on this, but in selecting both NOVA and LIC, amazon confirmed that they want to be near DC and NYC. They could have done this by consolidating in Philly.
That is all.

That was my winner for those reasons and the Schuylkill Yards site was perfect for that. I thought Atlanta also had a chance.

antinimby · #**3924** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

Too bad Bezos' heart was not in Philly, eh?

You nailed it.

The three headquarter cities (Seattle, NY, DC) just so happens to be where his homes are. It is not a coincidence.

N90 · #**3925** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:03 PM**

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washing...4-e757-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html

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Amazon received government incentives totaling more than $2.8 billion from Virginia, New York and Tennessee to build its two new headquarters and an operations center in those locations, according to the company’s announcement Tuesday.

New York was the most generous among the winners, promising more than $1.85 billion for Amazon to build one of its two new headquarters in Long Island City in the borough of Queens, according to the Amazon announcement.

Virginia appeared to have made a better deal, as it offered incentives of $819 million to place the other new headquarters in Arlington in Northern Virginia, according to the announcement.

Both of the new headquarters are expected to eventually create 25,000 jobs with an average pay of more than $150,000 a year, and most of the incentives are conditional on Amazon delivering that many new positions.

Nashville, a surprise last-minute addition to Amazon’s plan, promised $102 million in incentives for a new operations center with 5,000 jobs.

N90 · #**3926** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:05 PM**

NoVA was able to get half of HQ2 for less than $1 billion in incentives....

skyscraperpage17 · #**3927** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:06 PM**

Honestly, given the scale of the investment, the incentives they offered aren't as obscene as many feared.

If we were talking 13,000 low wage warehouse jobs by some fly-by-night sub-tier Taiwanese supplier, then it would be a different story.

JMKeynes · #**3928** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:13 PM**

NYC: Capital of the world!!

Obadno · #**3929** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mentallect

That is important in the Age of Trump. Bezos is a target. Trump can pressure red state governments to take away AMZN tax breaks, and they will. Bezos was playing it safe IMO because geographically it make more sense to make ATL the 3rd city.

Red states arent going to sabatoge their own ecinomic developmnt over some kind of Trump tweet or personal battle with Bezos

OBSESSED

You guys are OBSESSED

cabasse · #**3930** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrownTown

Show me on a map where you think it would make sense to add heavy rail. The limited dense corridors are already served. Maybe Alpharetta?

we aren't planning to add any more heavy rail. just a lot of light rail to fill out the spaces between the backbone now.

JoeMusashi · #**3931** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:26 PM**

You guys are crazy thinking this would be built anywhere else besides DC and NYC. Local politics and mass transit mean little when compared to international/national political power. San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, LA, Atlanta....all are backwaters or well, lesser swamps than the ultimate ones out East.

Bezos wants his workers and executives to intermingle and become part of the Washington Establishment. You see this all the time in Washington with powerful people married to each other and using that influence in politics, business, media, military, big government,etc.

Crazy how people are worked up about a real estate developer but comfortable with a guy who controls the internet, commerce, and is allies with those who control information, communications, military, and every other aspect of 21st century life. Whoever called Bezos an "ubermensch", I like that. DC is a power move and I bet they expand more there in the future.

Pedestrian · #**3932** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:32 PM**

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Citi makes room for Amazon at Long Island City building

Nov. 13, 2018 12:37 PM ET|By: Liz Kiesche, SA News Editor
Citi (C +1.5%) says it's moving about 1,100 of its employees from One Court Square in Long Island City during H1 2019 to make room for Amazon (AMZN +0.3%) to establish its HQ2 in New York.

The building's owner, Savanna, confirms that Amazon has entered an LOI to lease about 1M square feet of office space in One Court Square . . . .

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3409035-citi-makes-room-amazon-long-island-city-building

iheartthed · #**3933** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3409035-citi-makes-room-amazon-long-island-city-building

Citi has been reducing staff there for a while. If this is related then Amazon was looking at LIC for a long time.

the urban politician · #**3934** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

You guys are crazy thinking this would be built anywhere else besides DC and NYC. Local politics and mass transit mean little when compared to international/national political power. San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, LA, Atlanta....all are backwaters or well, lesser swamps than the ultimate ones out East.

Bezos wants his workers and executives to intermingle and become part of the Washington Establishment. You see this all the time in Washington with powerful people married to each other and using that influence in politics, business, media, military, big government,etc.

Crazy how people are worked up about a real estate developer but comfortable with a guy who controls the internet, commerce, and is allies with those who control information, communications, military, and every other aspect of 21st century life. Whoever called Bezos an "ubermensch", I like that. DC is a power move and I bet they expand more there in the future.

This is all nonsense. Many of the largest corporations on the planet—hell, most of them, actually—are doing perfectly fine not being based on the US East Coast.

Statements like yours are just east coast people badly wanting some sort of vote of reassurance.

Amazon is already the biggest corporation of all time, and it achieved it all from their base of operations in Seattle.

JManc · #**3935** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by JoeMusashi

You guys are crazy thinking this would be built anywhere else besides DC and NYC. Local politics and mass transit mean little when compared to international/national political power. San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, LA, Atlanta....all are backwaters or well, lesser swamps than the ultimate ones out East.

Some of the biggest companies (incl. Amazon) have their headquarters in some of these backwards and do just fine throwing their weight around. Amazon could have easily set up shop in Duluth and still wield tremendous power and influence. Simply by setting up a small presence in DC and/or NY. Which I'm sure most major companies already do. Amazon doesn't need some mid-level tech bro becoming entrenched in the Washington Establishment but rather Bezos himself or Amazon's top level execs.

The North One · #**3936** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

This is all nonsense. Many of the largest corporations on the planet—hell, most of them, actually—are doing perfectly fine not being based on the US East Coast.

Statements like yours are just east coast people badly wanting some sort of vote of reassurance.

Amazon is already the biggest corporation of all time, and it achieved it all from their base of operations in Seattle.

Walmart is still very comfortably the worlds largest corporation by revenue, lol.

iheartthed · #**3937** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by JManc

Some of the biggest companies (incl. Amazon) have their headquarters in some of these backwards and do just fine throwing their weight around. Amazon could have easily set up shop in Duluth and still wield tremendous power and influence. Simply by setting up a small presence in DC and/or NY. Which I'm sure most major companies already do. Amazon doesn't need some mid-level tech bro becoming entrenched in the Washington Establishment but rather Bezos himself or Amazon's top level execs.

Yeah, Bezos hardly has trouble getting a meeting with whichever powerbroker it is he wants to speak to, anywhere in the world. Almost all of them will hop on a plane to come to him, in Seattle, at the drop of a dime.

chris08876 · #**3938** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Lol oh please, they went to dc for political reasons. I have no idea why they went to New York unless New York gave them massive incentives don’t kid yourselves

They were charmed by the ferry ride. IDK, but something charmed those execs. Maybe the went to NY Dolls on Murray St and Deblasio treated them with a private room. But hey... sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to get the business.

I'm willing to bet it was the space that is accessible from the start. Plus in the end, a city like NY will attract talent from all over the world. Not knocking on other cities, but the publicity is strong, and folks like NY period. It has more leverage and desirability factor.

I'd be like asking high quality talent if they would rather live in London or Riyadh.

Global presence, publicity, marketing... all play a role in the perceptions of people.

Strong regional economy as well.

There is a strategic reason why they picked NY and DC area.

The U.S. has many great cities, and I'm sure a lot of them would have been great picks, but at the end of the day, some places are just light years away when it comes to dominance. Just a fact that has to be accepted.

JManc · #**3939** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 6:59 PM**

New York City is clearly the most important city in southern New York State. I'll give it that.

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**3940** Posted **Nov 13, 2018, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

This is all nonsense. Many of the largest corporations on the planet—hell, most of them, actually—are doing perfectly fine not being based on the US East Coast.

Statements like yours are just east coast people badly wanting some sort of vote of reassurance.

Amazon is already the biggest corporation of all time, and it achieved it all from their base of operations in Seattle.

Netflix just leased 1 million square feet of office space in Hollywood, Amazon has amazon studios as well as so many other offices here, Google and apple have hundreds of thousands of sq ft here, snap does too and on and on and on... All without giving away 2 billion dollars.. some backwater LA is.