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any guesses?
I'm guessing maybe 6 lanes on the Mackay Highway from the new One-Mile to the Airport arterial. How is rush-hour traffic these days anyway? I don't think they'd widen unless speeds were down to about 60km/h.
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Irving Oil extends construction date for proposed 2nd refinery


Last Updated: Thursday, November 27, 2008 | 4:57 PM AT
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Irving Oil Ltd. is extending its target date for a proposed second oil refinery to eight years from four because of a labour shortage in the Saint John area, according to the provincial energy minister.

Irving Oil made the announcement at an open house on Thursday in Saint John that was intended to update local residents on the second refinery project, known as Eider Rock.

Kevin Scott, Irving Oil's director of refining growth for oil, told the crowd the new timeline will make the project "more viable at a time when many energy projects are being delayed or cancelled."

The company had always intended to make a final decision on whether to push forward with the $8-billion refinery next year, with construction starting in 2011.

'Slow and steady is perhaps the one that wins the race."— Tim Curry, president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy

If the project does move forward, the company would break it into two phases, each lasting three to four years to complete. Each of those phases would be worth $4 billion and peak construction would hit 2,500 to 3,000 jobs.

"We would construct Phase 1, and start it up and have it operating," Scott said. "And then at some point during Phase 1, we would make a decision on Phase 2."

The first phase would produce half the intended amount of oil a day, 150,000 barrels. The company's current refinery processes 300,000 barrels of oil per day and is the largest in Canada. The company is also considering producing more diesel.

Along with citing the labour shortage in the area, Irving Oil said it is extending the construction period as a result of global competition, rising capital costs and limited availability of material.
Irving announcement 'good news': Keir

Energy Minister Jack Keir said he doesn't view the longer construction period as a setback.

"The fact of the matter is, this is good news that they are coming up with a plan that still makes this, at this time … still work and move forward," Keir said.

The energy minister said labour availability has been a major concern of his since some of the major energy projects in southern New Brunswick have been announced.

Workers are already needed for the $1.4-billion refurbishment of the Point Lepreau nuclear station and the $1.6-billion Potash Corp. mine, while there was concern about whether enough workers could be found for potential projects such as the second oil refinery and a second nuclear reactor.

"The upside to this economic [slowdown] that is going on in the world, if there is an upside,it may free up some of those tradespeople from jobs [at large projects] that won't go forward and this one does; it will give an opportunity to bring those folks home," the energy minister said.

Tim Curry, president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy in Saint John, said a longer construction period may actually benefit the project in the long term.

"Slow and steady is perhaps the one that wins the race," Curry said. "To me that's encouraging because that means people are engaged, they are not going with the first [project] out of the gate plan and they are modifying the plan in the light of fuller knowledge."

Local businesses and all three levels of government have partnered in the Benefits Blueprint initiative, a study that mapped out how the region would deal with issues, such as labour availability, if all of the projects moved ahead.

The study examined what the region would need to do in order to capitalize on the economic activity without experiencing any problems, such as housing shortages or a lack of services.

In March, Irving Oil announced that international oil giant BP were partnering together on the project. BP is contributing $40 million to the next phase of engineering, design and feasibility for the proposed refin
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As pointed out by one of the commentaries on that article, the ridership of Comex is still increasing. To quote them:

"Actually Mr. Buckley, ridership has not decreased with gas prices at all, at least for the Comex service. If you look at the numbers for September, October and November they are the highest they have been in the history of the service. If anything the high Summer gas prices have opened people's eyes to the benefits of public transit and they are sticking with it. Don't forget that even though gas prices may have dropped, there is no change in the high cost of parking or vehicle maintenance, so transit still makes sense for a lot of people."

I can speak to the accuracy of those anecdotal stats, I saw the same thing in a presentation from SJ Transit last week.
I concur that the economics of using the Comex still work for people - but an increase could make people redo the math. I imagine most will stay on the bus.
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I'm guessing maybe 6 lanes on the Mackay Highway from the new One-Mile to the Airport arterial. How is rush-hour traffic these days anyway? I don't think they'd widen unless speeds were down to about 60km/h.
More lanes create more traffic. This has occured in many places.
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Fantastic! A high quality addition to Uptown's built environment, and adding more residential space to our urban core. Can't wait to see construction start next month!
Next month might turn into January - but still expect construction to start soon.
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I'm guessing maybe 6 lanes on the Mackay Highway from the new One-Mile to the Airport arterial. How is rush-hour traffic these days anyway? I don't think they'd widen unless speeds were down to about 60km/h.
I don't think the Mackay highway needs 6 lanes and probably won't for a very long while.

Two of my guesses would be re-commitment of money to twin #1 through to the US and #7 to Fredericton. My third guess would relate to the Digby ferry. Fourth would have something to do with bridge/overpass replacement. I'm just pulling these out of thin air though

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Maybe one of the four announcements is them finally taking over the Harbour Bridge as part of the provincial highway system - no wait, that'll never happen.
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That's what happens when you trust a Monctonian to build a project ....... (just kidding guys)

But seriously though, I don't get it either, why keep the project in the dark, shouldn't they be drumming up PR or something? I'd still rather see that kind of new building height in the Uptown, but at least it's a lot closer to an area of established density than it would be on the East side. Hopefully the Waterfront Dev. Partnership will get their wish for funds to buy the Coast Guard site and the plans will go ahead for that ~10 story hotel, then I'll get my wish for something new in the heart of the SJ skyline.
I think the strategy of getting things done is preferable to announcing and waiting. It's often wise to under-promise and over deliver.

I've heard a rumour of a big hotel chain that is still interesting in SJ and that they are considering a few uptown locations.
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Irving Oil extends construction date for proposed 2nd refinery


Last Updated: Thursday, November 27, 2008 | 4:57 PM AT
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Irving Oil Ltd. is extending its target date for a proposed second oil refinery to eight years from four because of a labour shortage in the Saint John area, according to the provincial energy minister.

Irving Oil made the announcement at an open house on Thursday in Saint John that was intended to update local residents on the second refinery project, known as Eider Rock.

*sic*

Tim Curry, president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy in Saint John, said a longer construction period may actually benefit the project in the long term.

"Slow and steady is perhaps the one that wins the race," Curry said. "To me that's encouraging because that means people are engaged, they are not going with the first [project] out of the gate plan and they are modifying the plan in the light of fuller knowledge."

*sic*

In March, Irving Oil announced that international oil giant BP were partnering together on the project. BP is contributing $40 million to the next phase of engineering, design and feasibility for the proposed refin
ery.
I hadn't realized that $40-mill had been committed by BP at this stage....it's a fairly significant sum, and I think it does speak to the fact that this project will ultimately move forward & become a reality.
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I've heard a rumour of a big hotel chain that is still interesting in SJ and that they are considering a few uptown locations.
? as part of the proposed hardman / coast guard development
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Recent story on the Pugsley Park project & other uptown initiatives...


http://www.sjwaterfront.com/saint_john_waterfront_development_newsroom/2008_11_07_Pugsley_Park.htm
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2008, 6:03 PM
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I think I figured out what one of the four provincial announcements previously referred to will be:

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Funding for Games Stadium expected to be firmed up soon

SAINT JOHN - Officials involved in the refurbishment of the Canada Games Stadium are hopeful funding for the project will be in place by today or early next week.

The Canada Games Stadium, which was built for the 1985 Canada Summer Games, is badly in need of repair.
The approximate $3.5-million refurbishment of the stadium, located on the University of New Brunswick at Saint John campus, is being shared between the university, City of Saint John and the provincial government. The stadium was one of the top priorities identified in the Wallace Report on recreation in Saint John, released in 2005.

Communications manager for UNBSJ Dan Tanaka said the project is still going ahead and hopes to have an official announcement soon concerning when major work will start. Tanaka said site preparation work has been done on the stadium. The refurbishment is expected to include resurfacing of the synthetic track, installing artificial turf, improvements to the lighting system, and grandstand renovations.

The university looked at the condition of the track to determine the extent of the work required as well as completing a geotechnical investigation of the field areas.

Now the funding needs to be confirmed.

"The funding sources are still being negotiated," Tanaka said.

The university will chip in $500,000 with the city adding approximately $1.6 million. The city earmarked $1 million in this year's budget and half of the $1.2 million the city received from Brunswick Pipeline - the wholly owned Emera Inc. subsidiary that is running a natural gas pipeline throughout the city - for recreation initiatives will be put toward the stadium. Brunswick Pipeline is giving the city a total of $5.35 million in endowments.

The province's regional development corporation is studying a request for funding somewhere in the $1-million range.

Corporate secretary for the regional development corporation Bruce MacFarlane said the file is still under review and had nothing new to report.

Tanaka said the refurbishment will bring the stadium back to a condition that will support athletic programs, community events and regional and national sporting events. Past events held at the venue include the 1985 Canada Summer Games, local, regional and national track and field events, international soccer and rugby matches, national archery events and Canadian Football League games, among others.
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More good news for our fair city:

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Municipal tax assessments set to soar in 2009
Last Updated: Friday, November 28, 2008
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Property tax bases are jumping across most of New Brunswick, but with an economic slowdown looming, the Opposition Conservatives are calling for some form of immediate property tax relief.

Service New Brunswick released its annual tax base assessments on Friday that showed the province's tax base grew by 7.2 per cent or $2.3 billion between 2008 and 2009.

New Brunswick's eight cities saw their tax base assessments increase by 7.34 per cent or $1.5 billion.

Local Government Minister Bernard LeBlanc said the new municipal property tax rates could translate into an extra $24 million for cities, $9 million for towns, $2 million for villages and $78,000 for rural communities.

Conservative MLA Jeannot Volpé, the Opposition's local government critic, said if municipalities are generating more money that means homeowners and businesses are digging deeper to pay their taxes.

Volpé said that is an unfair demand as people are coming to grips with the country heading into a possible recession.

Local governments charge property taxes on a property's assessed value. So if property assessments increase by seven per cent and the tax rate does not change, taxpayers end up paying more.

"I just hope that both municipal governments and provincial governments will be smart enough to figure out that it's not the best time now to ask homeowners, businesses in this province to pay even more, a lot more tax," Volpe said. "I hope they give them a break so they can survive."

Instead of capping the assessment, Volpe said he would rather see a change in the actual tax rate so taxpayers are paying the same in 2009 as they did for the same property in 2008. And if local governments want additional tax revenue for services or new construction, they can justify that to their local taxpayers.

Of New Brunswick's eight cities, Saint John saw the largest boom in its municipal tax base, jumping 9.08 per cent. Several neighbouring communities also saw significant escalation in their assessments. For instance, Quispamsis is witnessing a 17.36 per cent increase in its assessments followed by, 14.05 per cent in Hampton, 12.25 per cent in Rothesay and 11.65 per cent in Grand Bay-Westfield.

Lac-Baker in the province's northwest corner saw a 699 per cent increase in its tax base. Residents won't be feeling the full impact of the change that was caused by the annexation of a local service district that added millions to the local tax base.

Not every community, however, is seeing growth. After being hit by a string of closures to its largest employers in 2008, Dalhousie saw its tax base drop by 9.14 per cent.


N.B. Municipal tax base increases

Bathurst 4.97 per cent
Campbellton 2.41 per cent
Dieppe 8.91 per cent
Edmundston 2.36 per cent
Fredericton 7.92 per cent
Miramichi 1.07 per cent
Moncton 7.9 per cent
Saint John 9.08 per cent
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Multi-family properties in Saint John are very under assessed currently. This could force some owners to put buildings on the market.
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I found renderings and floor/site plans of the proposed Chateau Saint John, but they're pretty well-hidden. They're in the agenda package for the March 31st Common Council session, which I found in PDF format on the city's website.

Here's a link to the file (PDF warning):
https://www.documents.saintjohn.ca/weblink7/ElectronicFile.aspx?docid=22361&dbid=1

The hotel is item 9.1 on the agenda. Images are located on pages 78-88 and pages 118-127 (this set seems to be of higher quality than the first set).

Detail from page 119:


You can tell it's related to the Chateau Moncton, that's for sure.
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You can tell it's related to the Chateau Moncton, that's for sure.
I wonder if the roof will be red.

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"Oh good lord! That's hideous!"

Seriously, I had low expectations, but that's just not that encouraging. Here it is, the tallest building we've built in 10 years and it has some sort of strange pseudo french-chateau style - right next to a freeway downtown.

Great find though by-the-way! We all owe you one for finally finding a rendering

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That may have been the general vision for the Chateau at the time however, all one needs to do is take a quick glance at what it happening right now on site. The building is on the 4th floor and is much more slim and narrow than the rendering above. I'm 99% sure it will be 9 stories and similar in general structure to the Hilton. Incidently, I work in the hotel industry in the city (Delta) and I can state that the Chateau is being extremely tight lipped about this new property. We know little!
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i don't get it....cyr holdings made a big deal during the summer of an imminent major announcement for their upcoming development in the area...and with the hotel well under construction (btw...9 or 10 stories is kinda going to look funny in that part of town, don't you think??) still nothing, and not even conceptual drawings of the final product....

Look at the photo from the previous page - 180 - (current site) and the rendering that was posted (thanks for digging that up by the way). What we have here are 2 completely different buildings. The current design (happening now) is a taller, thinner building (for lack of a better description) and you can see from the surrounding property there is simply no way it is going to look like the rendering from a few months ago.
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I know this isn't related to this post but when I saw the picture with the old General Hospital dome in the foreground, it made me think of the day it was demolished. I remember back a few months that someone was asking about photos or video on the subject. I had a great view and got some good video. I put a 2 minute clip on Youtube, here's the link for anyone who is interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ALuyV0uOg
I actually have more than 30 minutes leading up to the implosion...I was afraid to off my camera and miss it!
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