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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 5:42 AM
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Considering:

* it looks like Costco is building at East Point after all, and
* there are no Olive Gardens in Canada east of Manitoba;

I'd say this is a load of hooey.
...also considering the residents and council in the valley won't even accept a Walmart in their community...
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 11:45 AM
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...also considering the residents and council in the valley won't even accept a Walmart in their community...
That was just Rothesay who objected, Quispam tried to pay the farmer to have Wal-Mart come to their end of the Valley. And, as someone who grew up in Fairvale, I will add that I am on record as being against Wal-Mart in any part of KV.

Actually, since I've moved away from the Valley a few years ago, I must say that I am against almost everything that now takes place out there. From the rampant subdivisions that are destroying beautiful landscapes and replacing them with un-serviced half-acre lots, to the massive drain it is putting on the city's population; from the wasteful spending each council does just to fulfill some silly rivalry between the two municipalities, to the sprawling traffic congestion that is the MacKay Highway and the Old Hampton Road, it's just not my idea of fun anymore.
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From the rampant subdivisions that are destroying beautiful landscapes and replacing them with un-serviced half-acre lots, to the massive drain it is putting on the city's population; from the wasteful spending each council does just to fulfill some silly rivalry between the two municipalities, to the sprawling traffic congestion that is the MacKay Highway and the Old Hampton Road, it's just not my idea of fun anymore.
Welcome to the suburb of any major city.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 2:16 PM
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Welcome to the suburb of any major city.
Yeah I know, it's the same everywhere, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up in a KV that had only a few thousand people, not nearly 30 thousand, and we've gone from having several farms and mixed communities to a very dull and homogeneous joke. I also hate the mentality that in order for Saint John to grow and modernise, we have to fall into all the same traps as other cities in North America have. I hear people talk all the time about how we need this or that to be more like Toronto or even Halifax, and that sure they've had problems with it, but that apparently that's just part of SJ progressing. Well I say that's crazy. Maybe we shouldn't desire to be Halifax or Toronto or Calgary, maybe we should be taking this opportunity to develop our own type of community, our own standards of development and style of architecture. Rather than always playing "catch-up", let's come up with our own ideas and make other cities desire to be like us. Saint John made its name in the 19th century by being a major innovator and the birthplace of many "firsts", and we will never be a major player again until we get that mentality back. And don't tell me that the city's small size is a hurdle, if anything its an advantage because it is easier to implement more sweeping changes into the fabric of the community, to in essence realign our patterns of transportation, retail, industry and commerce.

Sorry to get off on a bit of a rant, but I just had this argument with someone yesterday and the airs of frustration are very much still on my mind.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 10:06 PM
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Century old building makes way for Peel Plaza



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John Tweedy of Bulldog Demolition is at the controls of an excavator that rips into the 105-year-old Broderick Building on Union Street Wednesday. The building is being demolished to make way for the Peel Plaza development. The city bought the building from the Broderick family in April for $290,000. The building was built in 1903 and was first occupied by Dr. Edward James Broderick, a physician, musician and noted speaker. Peel Plaza will feature a new police station and justice complex, with construction crews expected to break ground in the spring.
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Century old building makes way for Peel Plaza



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John Tweedy of Bulldog Demolition is at the controls of an excavator that rips into the 105-year-old Broderick Building on Union Street Wednesday. The building is being demolished to make way for the Peel Plaza development. The city bought the building from the Broderick family in April for $290,000. The building was built in 1903 and was first occupied by Dr. Edward James Broderick, a physician, musician and noted speaker. Peel Plaza will feature a new police station and justice complex, with construction crews expected to break ground in the spring.
It's all gone now. That was quick.
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Just a thought...

If the timing would have been right, do you think Irving would have bought the former general hospital site to build their HQ? They probably would have went with a much taller structure, and seeing as it's on the highest point of the city it would have created quite an iconic landmark. A 20-storey building at the top of that cliff would have appeared massive when driving in from the 'burbs. I've always liked that "driving into the city" feel as you pass Strescon and emerge from the rock cut. I'm still so annoyed that they built such a low-grade building on that prime land! If anyone has a nice current summer picture of that hill from the highway, I'd like to see it. I'd like to do a rendering of what "could have been"...or what "could be" someday since I'm sure that existing building is just made out of scrap garbage cans and wouldn't be a big loss to start from scratch!
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2008, 6:20 PM
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I'd like to do a rendering of what "could have been"...or what "could be" someday since I'm sure that existing building is just made out of scrap garbage cans and wouldn't be a big loss to start from scratch!
This is what is positive about what went there: it was built to fill a market need at the time and will run out of economic life (ie something more profitable could be built there) after not too long. It is a decent interm use of the land.
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First, it is sad that a 105 year old building takes an hour to come down and there is no remorse for it. Not from us. It was mentioned a couple posts ago. Did no one even think of incorporating the facade into the new building?

Second, I was having lunch with a friend this afternoon in graphic design and she said she caught a glimpse of the design plan for Costco. It is a go and they are building it along with a new road to aid in traffic. That was all she said about it since she didn't have details.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2008, 12:47 AM
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There have been a few updates, but the project still has a similar look. I will try to post new sketches soon.
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There have been a few updates, but the project still has a similar look. I will try to post new sketches soon.
I'd like to see the changes...is it still five floors with the changes in parking?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2008, 5:44 AM
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If the timing would have been right, do you think Irving would have bought the former general hospital site to build their HQ? They probably would have went with a much taller structure, and seeing as it's on the highest point of the city it would have created quite an iconic landmark. A 20-storey building at the top of that cliff would have appeared massive when driving in from the 'burbs. I've always liked that "driving into the city" feel as you pass Strescon and emerge from the rock cut. I'm still so annoyed that they built such a low-grade building on that prime land! If anyone has a nice current summer picture of that hill from the highway, I'd like to see it. I'd like to do a rendering of what "could have been"...or what "could be" someday since I'm sure that existing building is just made out of scrap garbage cans and wouldn't be a big loss to start from scratch!
As a taxpayer, I'd pay to move Danka and Agar Place to the East side and have Irving build at that site.
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Low-income housing developer says property values will increase

Controversy Neighbours argue putting single poor people in one building will stigmatize occupants

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SAINT JOHN - A subsidized housing development slated for Carmarthen Street will not transform the south end into a ghetto and local residents will likely see their property values increase, not the other way around, developer Bill O'Neill says.


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Bill O'Neill, president of the Tannery Court Co-operative, on the site of a proposed subsidized housing development at 185 Carmarthen St. in the city’s south end.


O'Neill, president of the non-profit group Tannery Court Co-operative, said the considerable public opposition that has surrounded the development in recent weeks stems from a misunderstanding of the project.

Opponents in the south end area say the 51-unit apartment complex, scheduled for construction at 185 Carmarthen St., will concentrate too many low-income residents in an area that already faces a high poverty rate.

They say the development will hamper the quality of life for all residents in the area, including those living in the apartments.

O'Neill, however, said potential residents will face a rigorous screening process, with criminal and credit checks and interviews with their peers.

He said the apartment building will be supervised and maintained by a resident manager. A second manager will help residents find jobs, secure government assistance, manage their finances and care for their apartments, O'Neill said.

"Our experience over the last 10, 12 years is that this model works and works extremely well in terms of giving people safe, secure, affordable housing," O'Neill said.

"Property values (in the area) will increase, not diminish with our project. This Tannery will be a wonderful addition in terms of perhaps spurring other development in the south end," he said.

"We're in this for the long haul. We don't put up a building, collect the rents and walk away."

At full capacity, the Carmarthen Street development will house 51 residents in one-bedroom apartments. Residents are expected to be 20 to 50 years old, earning less than $20,000 a year.

They will pay about 30 per cent of their incomes to live in the apartments and the province will cover the difference.

O'Neill said more than 80 per cent of the residents will likely have physical or health conditions. He said the apartment will not draw many low-income earners from other areas as about 95 per cent of the residents are expected to come from the south end.

The project, however, has been met with considerable public opposition, exploding last week during a ward meeting in the south end, where residents blasted Tannery Court for proposing a building they said would transform their community into a ghetto.

Many residents also took aim at Coun. Carl Killen, a member of the planning advisory committee, for helping give the project a green light.

The committee approved zoning variances for the development, such as fewer parking and green spaces, which was the only level of consent from the city Tannery Court required.

The developer is now poised to buy the property and has signed a sale agreement with the Saint John Parking Commission, which owns the land.

Resident Howard LaBillois, a staunch opponent, said the Tannery apartments will unfairly concentrate low-income residents in his south end community.

He said these residents will vacate their old affordable housing units in the area as they move to the Tannery apartments, making way for even more low-income residents to live in the south end.

LaBillois said Tannery Court did not hold enough public consultations on its project before it signed a formal agreement with the parking commission.

"If the development was half the size of what it is now, like 25 people, we would have a lot less concern about it. But the fact that they are warehousing 50, statistically, you are introducing a lot more risk into our neighbourhood," said LaBillois.

"No one was thinking about what the community needs and the long-term impact that it's going to have."

O'Neill said Tannery Court had to move quickly to find a Saint John site for its development. If the group does not have "considerable work done" on the property before next March, it will not receive government funding, he said.

Poverty researcher Kurt Peacock estimates the development could increase the south end area's already high poverty rate of 47 per cent by one or two percentage points.

"There is that real potential that this building that is being constructed with the best of intentions could increase the neighbourhood poverty rate, just by its sheer size and the fact that it's geared toward 100 per cent occupancy of low-income residents," said Peacock.

South end residents and city councillors Killen and Donnie Snook are expected to hold a public meeting with Tannery officials next Thursday to discuss the development.
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I'd like to see the changes...is it still five floors with the changes in parking?


It should end up looking something like this. Still five floors, with apartments on each level, and two levels of underground parking.
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It should end up looking something like this. Still five floors, with apartments on each level, and two levels of underground parking.
Thats looks awesome, SJ understood that a "flat roof" looks right as well as urban.
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It should end up looking something like this. Still five floors, with apartments on each level, and two levels of underground parking.
Fantastic! A high quality addition to Uptown's built environment, and adding more residential space to our urban core. Can't wait to see construction start next month!
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It should end up looking something like this. Still five floors, with apartments on each level, and two levels of underground parking.
Nice...I like it. Did allowing all parking to go underground give any room for more apartments?
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Nice...I like it. Did allowing all parking to go underground give any room for more apartments?
It's looking like there will be 93 units now, two more than were included in the previous design. The development includes 2 floors of underground parking mainly because the test drilling showed there wasn't much rock. This allows for ground floor apartments and two-floor apartment suites on the fourth and fifth floors. The old design required for a single-loaded hall (hall with apartments on only one side) on the fifth floor, which isn't an effecient way to use building space. The new design allowed for the same amount of units (plus 2) without a single-loaded hall.

Hopefully the development can start soon, and fit the time frame early proposed.
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