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Old Posted Mar 25, 2026, 8:24 PM
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Living downtown is ideal for some people. Not everyone wants the same things. I like where I live and would hate to live downtown.
Absolutely not for everyone, but if market prices for condos and rents are any indication, it is one of the most desirable places to live overall.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2026, 6:09 AM
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Absolutely not for everyone, but if market prices for condos and rents are any indication, it is one of the most desirable places to live overall.

If you're single, have an okay job, or just starting out, it's the best place because you have options.

When you're a young professional, have a high paying job that you feel secure in, and no plans to have more than 1 kid, DT ftw.

So far DT Van is holding up like this, but I don't think it's gonna last.

It's a domino waiting to fall with all the macro events happening inside Canada and out.

Obviously personal view, but I would not buy a strata unit in the DT penninsula anytime soon.
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If you're single, have an okay job, or just starting out, it's the best place because you have options.

When you're a young professional, have a high paying job that you feel secure in, and no plans to have more than 1 kid, DT ftw.

So far DT Van is holding up like this, but I don't think it's gonna last.

It's a domino waiting to fall with all the macro events happening inside Canada and out.

Obviously personal view, but I would not buy a strata unit in the DT penninsula anytime soon.
extending your logic, it would seem buying any property in Canada wouldn't be in your plans, I think Richmond and Surrey would be worse choices than Vancouver

"macro events happening .... Canada and out"

where in the world are people going to want to buy and live then in your opinion? I still believe downtown Vancouver is one of the best places in the world to put down roots, although I can see the economic argument for the USA being better perhaps, but different problems and different demographics too. Europe is a disaster, South America seems more the place people want to move to Canada away from, I would never want to live under the political system in China, economies in other parts of Asia and SE Asia are grim too, ... a person needs a roof over their head so buying in the best place to live makes a lot of sense, unless you are full on doomsday coming and put all your wealth in gold bars buried somewhere nobody can find

I could see our governments realize they need foreign money to save our entire country's economic deck of cards and invite that back in and we would see billions of Chinese money flood back in again in a hurry
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Welp, not that it was ever a competition but Calgary seems to be on track to see the tallest hotel in Canada years before we see this go up.

I don't know how they do it, but that city is efficient. Seems like most of their recent developments break ground within 2 years of being proposed



https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/...ion-273-5m-67s-truman-norr.42251/page-46

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Vancouver's first supertall skyscraper informed by "ancient glass sea sponge reefs"
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I don't know how they do it, but that city is efficient.
One of the funniest posts I've read in some time.

It's quite simple to understand, actually. They don't drown the process with a butt-ton of activist committees and needless studies.
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They posted the minutes from the activist Urban Design Panel for the project

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1) Urban integration and context

a. How well does the proposal integrate with its immediate and emerging
context, including anticipated pedestrian movement patterns, adjacent built
form, and the role of the site within the downtown structure?
b. Does the building base adequately mediate between the extreme height of
the towers and the pedestrian scale of the public realm?

2) Public plaza strategy
a. Is a plaza at this location desirable and supportable?
b. Is it appropriately sited, scaled, designed, and activated?
c. Between the options presented, does one approach perform better?
d. Alternatively, should additional building mass be introduced to strengthen
the street wall on W Georgia Street and intensify sidewalk activation?

3) Building separation at extreme height
a. The proposal introduces multiple towers exceeding approximately 600 ft.
Staff are considering whether increasing separation distances above this
height may be warranted.
b. Would greater separation:
▪ Improve access to daylight and sky views from the public realm;
▪ Reduce the perceived mass and bulk of the tower cluster at a citywide scale; and
▪ Result in a more coherent skyline composition?

4) Technical considerations of supertall form
a. What additional performance factors should inform the design and
evaluation of buildings at this scale (e.g., wind, structural expression,
sustainability systems, constructability, maintenance)? Are these factors
being treated ambitiously enough?

5) Skyline and long-range identity
a. How will the project read in the skyline from near and distant viewpoints,
and does the composition appropriately contribute to Vancouver’s emerging
high-rise profile?
b. Does the project sufficiently signal civic importance and public benefit?
c. Do the proportions of the towers feel appropriately slender?
d. Does the tower grouping read as a coherent composition?
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THAT the Panel Recommend Support with recommendations to the project with the
following recommendations to be reviewed by City Staff:
1) While the plaza is located in the right location, explore opportunities to improve
porosity and integrate the lane in the overall functionality and design of the site.
2) Refine the podium to be more responsive to the streetscape around the project
3) Explore adding more uses to create a dynamic environment and consider the
future adaptability for the tower floorplates.
4) Consider more separation between the towers.
5) Consider ways to celebrate the sustainability of the project and reduce the impact
of mechanical systems on public spaces.
6) Consider deeper ways to indigenize the project.
7) Consider more creative ways to integrate the heritage façade.
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The Panel generally supported the overall composition and ambition of the proposal, noting that the arrangement of towers is logical and may be supportable in the current context. However, Panel members cautioned that, if adjacent sites redevelop at a similar scale without improved tower separation, the area could become overly concentrated.

The proposal was recognized as potentially setting a precedent, and Panelists emphasized the importance of carefully considering its implications for future development in the area.

The Panel encouraged exploring a looser tower arrangement, including the potential for fewer towers with increased height and improved spacing, to enhance livability, access to light, and long-term urban performance. Concern about the floor plate size and shape to 1) accommodate a hotel and 2) future flexibility for other uses.


At grade, the Panel strongly supported the evolution of the plaza design, noting that it has become more engaging and better connected, particularly with the integration of the SkyTrain interface and through-connection to Richards Street. However, further improvements to permeability and porosity were encouraged, including stronger connections through the podium, to the lane, and along all street frontages. Several Panelists suggested that the public realm could be further enriched by introducing more landscape and softscape elements to create a more comfortable and restorative urban
environment. Consider widening the lane for better vehicle/ tour bus access, pick up/drop-off and to celebrate arrival.

The Panel encouraged a more diverse and robust mix of uses, noting that the current program of primarily residential and hotel uses may result in limited daytime activity. The inclusion of office or other employment-generating uses was recommended to support a more complete, mixed-use environment and reinforce the site’s role as a central destination.

With respect to the podium, Panel members noted that the current expression appears overly continuous. Greater variation, finer-grained articulation, and a more contextually responsive approach were encouraged. The Panel also highlighted opportunities to activate all sides of the podium and improve its relationship to the surrounding public realm.

The architectural expression was generally well received, with Panelists appreciating the clarity of the tower grid and the conceptual reference to the organic form of the glass sea sponge. However, further refinement was encouraged to strengthen the relationship to both the city and the natural context. Specific comments included enhancing the expression of the hotel at grade, reducing visual busyness in the residential tower façades, particularly with respect to balconies, and further developing the identity and presence of the residential towers.

The Panel supported the continued evolution of the façade language, including opportunities to embed Indigenous design approaches more meaningfully in the architecture. Panelists noted that Indigenous expression should extend beyond surfacelevel gestures or artwork and be integrated more deeply into the design process, including long-term strategies for engagement, employment, and cultural representation.

The Panel encouraged further exploration of vertical connectivity and shared amenities within the tower composition, including opportunities for connections between towers at upper levels. These spaces were seen as potentially community-building elements that could contribute to a more integrated, “vertical neighbourhood” experience. The inclusion of publicly accessible or shared amenities at the tower tops was also supported, both as
a civic gesture and as a defining feature of the project. Sustainability strategies were supported and should be further developed, including
consideration of solar heat gain, thermal comfort, and the integration of building systems.

Panelists encouraged expressing sustainability features more visibly within the architecture. There were some concerns about humidity control at the top of the building.

Additional comments included: exploring opportunities for outdoor access and animation along the Richards Street façade; strengthening the functionality of the hotel at grade including access and loading; considering more integrated indoor-outdoor relationships; exercising caution with deep heritage retention to ensure authenticity is maintained; and enhancing landscape strategies, including more ambitious planting approaches.

Overall, the Panel expressed strong interest in the project as a significant and precedentsetting proposal, noting its potential to influence the evolution of downtown Vancouver.

Panelists encouraged the applicant and City staff to approach the project as an opportunity to advance more flexible, performance-based design guidance and to articulate a clear and aspirational vision for the future of the city.

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/udp-minutes-03-04-2026-final.pdf
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Welp, not that it was ever a competition but Calgary seems to be on track to see the tallest hotel in Canada years before we see this go up.

I don't know how they do it, but that city is efficient. Seems like most of their recent developments break ground within 2 years of being proposed



https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/...ion-273-5m-67s-truman-norr.42251/page-46
That's great and all, but a BP is the least of their concerns in a real estate market where capital is as scarce as water in the Sahara.

I really struggle to see where they are going to drum up the billion old dollars they will need to build a project like that in this market.
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That's great and all, but a BP is the least of their concerns in a real estate market where capital is as scarce as water in the Sahara.

I really struggle to see where they are going to drum up the billion old dollars they will need to build a project like that in this market.
Oh ye of little faith....

If Toronto can have a few Supertalls, I don't see why Vancouver can't make do with just one. Besides, the money may not be sourced from here.

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Oh ye of little faith....

If Toronto can have a few Supertalls, I don't see why Vancouver can't make do with just one. Besides, the money may not be sourced from here.

https://taglobal.com.my/

Think global.
Why, of course, yes! Whoring out our property to foreign money worked so well for Canadians the first time around, let's give it another try!
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Oh ye of little faith....

If Toronto can have a few Supertalls, I don't see why Vancouver can't make do with just one. Besides, the money may not be sourced from here.

https://taglobal.com.my/

Think global.
Try again Vin. I was talking about the Calgary proposal.

Also, I'm very well aware of where Joo Kim's money comes from...
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Welp, not that it was ever a competition but Calgary seems to be on track to see the tallest hotel in Canada years before we see this go up.

I don't know how they do it, but that city is efficient. Seems like most of their recent developments break ground within 2 years of being proposed



https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/...ion-273-5m-67s-truman-norr.42251/page-46
I’ll see it when I believe it. Not that I don’t think Calgary is capable of building a new tallest for their city, but like Leftcoaster said, it’s a tough real estate market across the country.
Despite the downturn here in Vancouver, I would bet money that we’ll see super tall built before they see a new tallest.
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That's great and all, but a BP is the least of their concerns in a real estate market where capital is as scarce as water in the Sahara.

I really struggle to see where they are going to drum up the billion old dollars they will need to build a project like that in this market.
It's described in the Calgary press as backed by the Trutina family, through Truman Homes, the Ryder family through Louson Investments Ltd., the city through the Calgary Municipal Land Corporation (CMLC), and Marriott International. The equivalent here would maybe be if Wall Financial and Nicola Wealth teamed up to put two towers on one of the City owned sites, with condos over a W and a Marriott hotel, at 62 and 69 storeys, (so not as ambitious as the Bay Parkade scheme). Depending on the capital the developers have access to, it may not be a billion dollars that they have to raise?
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That's great and all, but a BP is the least of their concerns in a real estate market where capital is as scarce as water in the Sahara.

I really struggle to see where they are going to drum up the billion old dollars they will need to build a project like that in this market.
Through various connections, I can tell you that the project is still going full steam ahead, here's some reasons why.

1) They're doing on tower at a time, starting with the tallest.

2) Calgary's still growing at a decent clip, and real estate capital isn't scarce yet. The market has softened, but Truman is still seeing strong interest in their projects. Out of town interest is still good - 7 highrises have broken ground in the past two months, and all Toronto and Vancouver developers.

3) Half the project is hotel, and Calgary is seeing a boom in downtown hotel demand, with estimates saying it's still short 3,000 rooms.
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Hey never say never but I do a lot of work in the City of Calgary and capital is still scarce there too, it's a national issue with major financial institutions and real estate investors not allocating capital to the sector like they used to.

It's not impossible but it's a very tight time to be expecting to launch the biggest project the City's ever seen with no secured revenue at all. All on the backs of a developer who has never built something even 1/4 this size I might add.
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I don't think this was posted (?)

They got rid of the lane down the middle of the site and adjusted the other lane access points.

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The City of Vancouver has received an addendum to the application to rezone the subject sites. The revised proposal includes consolidation of the two West Georgia Street sites and includes the existing north-south lane that separates the two sites. The overall proposed density for the consolidated site is 27.4 FSR. No changes to the height and uses are proposed. Amendments to the Abbott Street site have also been proposed.

Standard rezoning notification will be provided in advance of Council consideration. Comments and questions are welcome at any time through the application review process.
https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/501-525-w-georgia-st

Abbott goes from 38 storeys to 26 storeys. 378 to 237 social housing units.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/388-abbott-st
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I don't think this was posted (?)

They got rid of the lane down the middle of the site and adjusted the other lane access points.



https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/501-525-w-georgia-st

Abbott goes from 38 storeys to 26 storeys. 378 to 237 social housing units.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/388-abbott-st
The loss of a third of the social housing units, and 12 storeys from the Abbott St tower that's supposed to be the CAC to justify the additional density they want to build on the Bay Parkade site seems like a big deal. It will be interesting to see if anyone brings that up at the public hearing, and how they respond.
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The loss of a third of the social housing units, and 12 storeys from the Abbott St tower that's supposed to be the CAC to justify the additional density they want to build on the Bay Parkade site seems like a big deal. It will be interesting to see if anyone brings that up at the public hearing, and how they respond.
Isn’t that just par for the course with SIM and ABC? It seems like a lot of those requirements have been relaxed.
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Isn’t that just par for the course with SIM and ABC? It seems like a lot of those requirements have been relaxed.
The only requirement is that they offer something equivalent to a proportion of the increased land value from the additional density of their proposal (above the base zone density). The reduced offer might be a more realistic calculation of the project value, or maybe a more realistic calculation of the cost of building the social housing building. Council don't have to accept the offer, or approve the rezoning, but that would seem pretty unlikely. Some members of Council might question the reduced offer.
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I don't think this was posted (?)

They got rid of the lane down the middle of the site and adjusted the other lane access points.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/501-525-w-georgia-st

Not having the lane cut through would make the plaza much more usable… easier to access the loading off Seymour too.
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