Lansdowne Park Redevelopment Phase 1 | Completed

[ortelius]

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by elly63

City of Ottawa
October 25, 2013

- Inside the south stands, drywall is being put up in the offices, locker rooms and other spaces and the walls are being painted in the lower levels
- The first pieces of the Veil, the iconic wooden surround at the south stands, began this week
- Most of the precast concrete risers that the seats will be attached to, have now been installed
- At the north stands, seat installation continues
- The new roof materials are being laid down over the north stands
- At the upper concourse in the north stands, new sections of concrete floor are being poured

The stadium has a new look when viewed from the Rideau Canal


New seats continue to be installed at the north side stands. This is expected to continue during November


The south stands are coming together as more of the bleachers are installed, and the new stair case is built


From the air, it’s obvious how much work is occurring on a daily basis at Lansdowne

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[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Jamaican-Phoenix

Yes, because all over Ottawa, there is an epidemic of vacant north-facing houses and apartments, and we know for a fact that all people and families living in a north facing home or apartment are unhappy.

Not anymore. They are all already dead from KILLER SHADE.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by ortelius

Nice! How many of those is there going to be?

[citizen4829]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Not anymore. They are all already dead from KILLER SHADE.

Seasonal Affective Disorder is quite common in the Northern Hemisphere in winter. Personally I would take a South or South Western exposure and pay a premium for it any day.

[teej1984]

Originally Posted by citizen4829

Seasonal Affective Disorder is quite common in the Northern Hemisphere in winter. Personally I would take a South or South Western exposure and pay a premium for it any day.

My apartment is south facing and it's so damn hot ...

[citizen4829]

Originally Posted by teej1984

My apartment is south facing and it's so damn hot ...

It's important to have proper window coverings for the hot months and central air when needed.

[Kitchissippi]

South facing windows are more susceptible to heat expansion and contraction, and likely will need replacement before north facing ones. Window coverings can actually make things worse when heat is reflected back onto the window.

[Boxster]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

South facing windows are more susceptible to heat expansion and contraction, and likely will need replacement before north facing ones. Window coverings can actually make things worse when heat is reflected back onto the window.

Not relevant if it is a condo as windows are common elements.

[Radster]

As much as that South Side wooden veil is unique-looking (and might win design awards), when it comes to functionality, the new South Side stands are a disaster! In a country like Canada, with hot summers (when shade helps), and wet spring and fall seasons, its a huge shame, a massive fail, that the majority of the seats in the new stands won't be covered. I just don't get it. Same with the new Saputo stadium in Montreal, very nice soccer-specific stadium, but they cheaped out on the roof, which only covers the boxes and a few rows of seating up top.

Meanwhile, you look at stadiums being built in Europe, they ALL have 75-100% roof covered seating. Part of the reason is that the stadiums must meet minimum UEFA standards, such as having certain percentage of roof covered seating. Doesn't look like rocket science to build a roof over most of the seating, here are some pics from recently built soccer stadiums in Poland: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490916&page=95 They seem light years ahead of Canada.

Whats up with the decisions in Canada to cheap out on the roofs? Is the comfort of the spectators only measured in terms of seat comfort/size/cupholders and good concessions which will bring up the profit ratio for the team/operator? Don't they realize that not having more roof covered seating will ultimately affect attendance during bad weather days? Seems shortsighted to me, and you'd think that in this day in age, with various technological advancements, it wouldn't add that much to overall cost to build a roof that would cover all or the majority of the seating.

And lastly, why did they remove a big chunk of the North Side roof?

[JFFournier]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

And I was also pointing out a few of the other limitations prospective townhouse buyers might want to take into consideration.

Well, those who have never been to a theater before, anyway.

Swell selfless gesture there, alecz_dad.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by JFFournier

Well, those who have never been to a theater before, anyway.

Swell selfless gesture there, alecz_dad.

I agree the townhouses have several drawbacks but weren't they built to appease the NIMBY Glebe crowd such as Alecz-dad?

[bartlebooth]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

Nice! How many of those is there going to be?

I think there are 24 of those large laminated wood members in total.

http://emergentforms.com/Proj-LansdowneStadium.html

[JackBauer24]

You and i finally agree on something - that is disappointing news. Very disappointing.

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Sorry to disappoint you, but I reckon I won't be terribly uncomfortable. Certainly not as much as the folks living in the caves backing onto the cinemas.

[EdFromOttawa]

Originally Posted by Radster

As much as that South Side wooden veil is unique-looking (and might win design awards), when it comes to functionality, the new South Side stands are a disaster! In a country like Canada, with hot summers (when shade helps), and wet spring and fall seasons, its a huge shame, a massive fail, that the majority of the seats in the new stands won't be covered. I just don't get it. Same with the new Saputo stadium in Montreal, very nice soccer-specific stadium, but they cheaped out on the roof, which only covers the boxes and a few rows of seating up top.

Meanwhile, you look at stadiums being built in Europe, they ALL have 75-100% roof covered seating. Part of the reason is that the stadiums must meet minimum UEFA standards, such as having certain percentage of roof covered seating. Doesn't look like rocket science to build a roof over most of the seating, here are some pics from recently built soccer stadiums in Poland: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490916&page=95 They seem light years ahead of Canada.

Whats up with the decisions in Canada to cheap out on the roofs? Is the comfort of the spectators only measured in terms of seat comfort/size/cupholders and good concessions which will bring up the profit ratio for the team/operator? Don't they realize that not having more roof covered seating will ultimately affect attendance during bad weather days? Seems shortsighted to me, and you'd think that in this day in age, with various technological advancements, it wouldn't add that much to overall cost to build a roof that would cover all or the majority of the seating.

And lastly, why did they remove a big chunk of the North Side roof?

Ugh so much fail in this post.

You act as though no decent stadium in the history of mankind has been able to operate successfully without a roof....

In fact ALL of Canada' stadiums have been open-air outside of the obvious Montreal Olympic, Rogers Centre, and BC Place, and they seem to do just fine.

Likewise, I can name the number of NFL stadiums with roofs on one hand, ditto again with MLB stadiums; two of the richest sports leagues in the world. Clearly if people had wanted roofs, those two groups would have been able to afford their wishes.

People CLEARLY don't mind that much (or perhaps as much as you) about it. Personally, I'd rather a short roof on a warm, sunny day, than a long one which blots out the sun and the sky. It doesn't get that hot without a roof I'm sorry (unless you suffer from some kind of skin condition maybe??).

Also the North Side stands roof was cut back for structural reasons. With all the large buildings being built around the stadium, the engineers feared that shifting snow drifts in the winter would land on the already old/strained north side roof and cause it to bend and break forward (towards the field). They thus decided to cut it back to help ensure it stayed stable all year round, plus allow more sunlight to hit the fans (which in my mind, is a positive).

Then again, a roof collapse may have knocked some sense into you.

[citizen4829]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

South facing windows are more susceptible to heat expansion and contraction, and likely will need replacement before north facing ones. Window coverings can actually make things worse when heat is reflected back onto the window.

Almost all windows used in new construction today contain low-e and argon glass. All new condos constructed in the past ten years or even longer would have this type of glazing. Solar gain is deflected back outside in summer months and allowed entry in the winter months. This is due to seasonal changes in sun angles.

[Radster]

Originally Posted by EdFromOttawa

Ugh so much fail in this post.

You act as though no decent stadium in the history of mankind has been able to operate successfully without a roof....

In fact ALL of Canada' stadiums have been open-air outside of the obvious Montreal Olympic, Rogers Centre, and BC Place, and they seem to do just fine.

Likewise, I can name the number of NFL stadiums with roofs on one hand, ditto again with MLB stadiums; two of the richest sports leagues in the world. Clearly if people had wanted roofs, those two groups would have been able to afford their wishes.

People CLEARLY don't mind that much (or perhaps as much as you) about it. Personally, I'd rather a short roof on a warm, sunny day, than a long one which blots out the sun and the sky. It doesn't get that hot without a roof I'm sorry (unless you suffer from some kind of skin condition maybe??).

Also the North Side stands roof was cut back for structural reasons. With all the large buildings being built around the stadium, the engineers feared that shifting snow drifts in the winter would land on the already old/strained north side roof and cause it to bend and break forward (towards the field). They thus decided to cut it back to help ensure it stayed stable all year round, plus allow more sunlight to hit the fans (which in my mind, is a positive).

Then again, a roof collapse may have knocked some sense into you.

Fair enough, thanks for the explanations re: North Side roof, makes total sense. Obviously a roof is more useful for keep the fans protected from rain than sun, it was just another reason I gave. Plus, many roofs in European stadium are built from glass, thus letting the sun through. The new stadium might always be full for CFL, but for soccer, its not a lock in, and I am quite sure that on a cold and rainy night, the lack of a South Side roof will keep some fans away. Look at TFC in Toronto, when its cold and rainy, people don't show up, and that includes those with and without tickets - surely if a roof was there to offer some protection from rain, many of them would make the game.

[Umpaidh]

Originally Posted by citizen4829

Almost all windows used in new construction today contain low-e and argon glass. All new condos constructed in the past ten years or even longer would have this type of glazing. Solar gain is deflected back outside in summer months and allowed entry in the winter months. This is due to seasonal changes in sun angles.

A low e coating that could do that would be amazing, unfortunately I don't know of one that could do that yet. Currently, it is either put on surface 2 or 3 of a double pane window, which either helps with cooling or heating respectively. Now, if you have a triple pane window...

In regards to the roof, has anyone seen a sun shadow report for the project? I took a quick look on the Ottawa development website, but I don't know the best way to navigate it...

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

radster wrote

Plus, many roofs in European stadium are built from glass, thus letting the sun through. The new stadium might always be full for CFL, but for soccer, its not a lock in, and I am quite sure that on a cold and rainy night, the lack of a South Side roof will keep some fans away.

I suppose the type of roof in Europe would depend on where it is. A lot different in Scandinavia, where the snow load is a problem, than in sunny Italy and Spain.
The roof on the Big Owe in Montreal was designed by a European and we have seen how well that has worked out.

As for rain, I do not see why an avid outdoor sport fan in this part of the word would not buy a good rain suit--pants, jacket with hood and boots. If you plan to attend a lot of outdoor stuff it should be a must. On cold rainy days layer warm clothing under it. I have such an outfit for attending university games. I wore it twice this season and it really is useful--and I expect I will be wearing it at Lansdowne eventually.

[citizen4829]

Originally Posted by Umpaidh

A low e coating that could do that would be amazing, unfortunately I don't know of one that could do that yet. Currently, it is either put on surface 2 or 3 of a double pane window, which either helps with cooling or heating respectively. Now, if you have a triple pane window...

In regards to the roof, has anyone seen a sun shadow report for the project? I took a quick look on the Ottawa development website, but I don't know the best way to navigate it...

This link will give you a good explanation of the advantages of low-e glass coating and how they work in keeping a home cooler in summer and warmer in winter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eFOFNevRcI