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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2013, 4:04 PM
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If the facelift is anything like what they came up with for the south side of the stadium, I expect a less than visionary result.
The south side was rebuilt. Did you mean the north, hater?

I'm curious too though, and I haven't seen a single thing. I don't have much use for the building now, but if (when) the basketball team moves there I might take that in. If it'll be in use that much more, I would hope they'd give it some care.

I'm going to try to contact the folks at Front Page Media and see if they can let us in on it.
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How come I can't find a lick of information anywhere on what the inside of the Civic Centre arena is going to look like? I'm just dying to see how they plan on applying lipstick to that pig. If the facelift is anything like what they came up with for the south side of the stadium, I expect a less than visionary result. Has anyone seen renderings?

* I am a supporter of the development
** I am not a hater/NIMBY/Glebite/FOL.
*** I am just disappointed with the "refurbished" aspects of the project.

My understanding is the civic centre work is mostly to do with the roof. Perhaps some paint. I don't think there is too much else. The civic centre, like the north side, did not really have all that much wrong with it. It already had newer seats and such.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2013, 4:25 PM
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I would not expect much ... Perhaps refreshing the boxes and upgrading the accessibility to that level. The seats are fairly new and it is still one of the better facilities in the OHL
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2013, 4:51 PM
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I am not an architect. But if I were, I would like to think there would a sense of challenge when taking on a dated structure like the north side/civic centre. I'm sorry but I can't see how/where these designers really pushed the envelope. For example. I find it unfortunate that nothing creative was done with those giant ugly girders on the north side. A coat of paint isn't really a cutting edge approach. Another example is the big blank wall in the civic centre. Are they even going to attempt to clad it with something interesting? Based on what I am seeing with the north side facelift, probably not. But it's "fine", I guess.

It's just too bad that alot of this project (the stadium/arena part) involves basically patchwork.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2013, 5:50 PM
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I am not an architect. But if I were, I would like to think there would a sense of challenge when taking on a dated structure like the north side/civic centre. I'm sorry but I can't see how/where these designers really pushed the envelope. For example. I find it unfortunate that nothing creative was done with those giant ugly girders on the north side. A coat of paint isn't really a cutting edge approach. Another example is the big blank wall in the civic centre. Are they even going to attempt to clad it with something interesting? Based on what I am seeing with the north side facelift, probably not. But it's "fine", I guess.

It's just too bad that alot of this project (the stadium/arena part) involves basically patchwork.
The civic centre is primarily used for OHL - its one of the bigger arenas in that league. While its not state-of-the-art, its certainly better than most arenas of its kind. All it really needs is to be painted and spruced up.

Like anything, there's always room for improvement but with a budget you have to spend money where its needed most, and the civic centre wasn't in dire need of a total overhaul.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2013, 6:15 PM
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I don't personally see the big problem with keeping the north side.

It was by far the architecturally better part of the stadium as it was a Canada Centennial project. It has some great features like the roof that the shinny new south side will not. It was built to much high standards than the old south side. The large beans are not ugly to be. They are awesome. I remember as a little kid running over to look at them where they meet the ground.

My only complaint is they made the roof smaller - but I gather that was a cost thing.

The northside is a good grandstand and always was. They are replacing all the really dated stuff - primarily the seats, and press and private boxes which move to the south. Concrete risers are concrete risers. They are not different whether they are built in 1966 or 2013.

The final point is that this is how the stadium has always been built over the past over 100 years: in sections, replacing different parts.

The original north was built in the early 1990's replaced in 1967.
The old south lower deck was moved to the endzone and replaced around 1960 or so. The upper south added in the 70's.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2013, 6:26 PM
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I am not an architect. But if I were, I would like to think there would a sense of challenge when taking on a dated structure like the north side/civic centre. I'm sorry but I can't see how/where these designers really pushed the envelope. For example. I find it unfortunate that nothing creative was done with those giant ugly girders on the north side. A coat of paint isn't really a cutting edge approach. Another example is the big blank wall in the civic centre. Are they even going to attempt to clad it with something interesting? Based on what I am seeing with the north side facelift, probably not. But it's "fine", I guess.

It's just too bad that alot of this project (the stadium/arena part) involves basically patchwork.
Sure it all could have been new and built by world class architects, but absent a money tree that would have required even more housing or retail space which would have upset even more people.
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I am not an architect. But if I were, I would like to think there would a sense of challenge when taking on a dated structure like the north side/civic centre. I'm sorry but I can't see how/where these designers really pushed the envelope. For example. I find it unfortunate that nothing creative was done with those giant ugly girders on the north side. A coat of paint isn't really a cutting edge approach. Another example is the big blank wall in the civic centre. Are they even going to attempt to clad it with something interesting? Based on what I am seeing with the north side facelift, probably not. But it's "fine", I guess.

It's just too bad that alot of this project (the stadium/arena part) involves basically patchwork.
I believe the work inside the civic center involves, repairing the roof, painting, and upgrading some of the wiring to handle electronic devices better. Probably some upgrades to the concession areas too.

The renos to the north side stands involve reinforcing the supports that hold it up--a new press box--a new roof---and new seats. Each seat will have a seat back and arm rests with a drink holder. Because each seat will take up more room than the old ones, there will be a few hundred less seats compared to previous times.

Way back when I seem to remember there was talk about cladding the girders and some other elements of the north side in the same wood that the south side veil will be made of. As there is no mention of that lately I assume it has been cut for budgetary reasons. That is unfortunate, but perhaps still could be done at a later date , especially if the revenue flow from the new Lansdowne turns out to be good.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2013, 6:29 PM
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Interesting that Landmark Theatres wants the World Exchange cinemas, but is playing coy about the Lansdowne Monsterplex. Maybe it'll end up as a 6-storey high Winners.


Cinema chain taking over World Exchange theatre, hopes to keep it open

BY DAVID REEVELY, OTTAWA CITIZEN OCTOBER 25, 2013

There’s hope for Ottawa’s main downtown movie house again: a Calgary-based cinema chain buying two other Ottawa cinemas is interested in keeping it open.

The Empire Theatres chain that has operated the World Exchange Plaza’s cinema, along with others in Kanata and Orléans and one it recently closed at the Rideau Centre, is bailing out of the movie-theatre business. It announced in the summer that it had broken its properties up between Landmark Theatres and Cineplex, but two Ottawa cinemas were left in limbo: the one under construction at Lansdowne Park and the one at the World Exchange. Neither of the buyers had picked them up and the World Exchange cinema, whose lease is up at the end of the year, seemed doomed.

But now Landmark has signed a deal with Empire to manage the World Exchange theatre until the lease is up, running it as the Landmark 7, and it wants to talk to the landlord about keeping it, said Neil Campbell, Landmark’s chief operating officer.

“Due to the location, I mean, it’s the perfect theatre for the downtown core group,” he said over the phone from Calgary. “You’ve got a good density around there. You’ve got a lot of moviegoers and to me it gears itself to a lot of students and the older crowd.”

Landmark is comfortable with the slightly higher-brow fare that the Exchange Centre cinema has generally shown (it has three large theatres and four smaller “screening-rooms”) and doesn’t intend to mess with it, Campbell said.

Nothing is settled, he emphasized. “We think it’s a neat location [but] I don’t want to get into too many details because we have to talk the landlord.”

Campbell said he’s looking forward to telling a Facebook group of loyal patrons that rallied to show they want Ottawa to keep a downtown cinema showing mainstream, first-run flicks.

“It is the most organized, most well-spoken group we’ve ever dealt with,” he said.

The landlord, British Columbia Investment Management Corp., has asked the city for permission to remove the cinema and replace it with offices, though the leasing manager has said that is to keep options open. Converting windowless, sloping-floor theatres into offices is expensive.

“The incentive for us is to carry on” with movies, Daniel Gray told a city council committee that met to consider the issue at the beginning of the summer but didn’t make a decision. (It’s not clear whether the owner really needs the city’s permission; the question of whether the building owner has to keep an “entertainment use” in the building is set out in old development agreements that have been amended several times.) Three chains had approached him in at least a general way about the possibility of taking the space over, he said at the time.

The future of the Lansdowne theatre remains an open question and it could affect the prospects for the World Exchange. The Ontario Sports and Entertainment Group has a lease with Empire for a theatre and both sides have said repeatedly that they expect there will be a theatre there, but nobody has said yet who might run it. Distribution deals often prevent theatres within a few kilometres of each other from getting the same movies, so competition between Lansdowne and the World Exchange could make things dicey.

Campbell said whatever ends up happening at Lansdowne, Landmark is completely uninvolved in it and he has no idea what the Lansdowne theatre’s future is.
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Does it seem at all ironic to anyone that the cave-like townhouses that will be built on Holmwood where mature trees were cut down the other year in Sylvia Holden Park, are all named after trees?



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Ottawa Sun - Design Panel Likes Lansdowne Park Townhouses
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Does it seem at all ironic to anyone that the cave-like townhouses that will be built on Holmwood where mature trees were cut down the other year in Sylvia Holden Park, are all named after trees?
that's perfect. Suck it nimbys!
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Does it seem at all ironic to anyone that the cave-like townhouses that will be built on Holmwood where mature trees were cut down the other year in Sylvia Holden Park, are all named after trees?
That's what the developers meant when they said there would be "more trees than ever before"
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That's what the developers meant when they said there would be "more trees than ever before"
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And I sure hope that OSMUG has included major sound-proofing on the back wall of the mega movieplex, so that the buyers of the townhouses backing onto it aren't blasted out of bed by the undoubtedly state-of-the-art sound systems the cinemas will have.



They also really better like the smell of fake butter topping day-in, day-out.


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Not only that. The windows are on the north side of the homes so they will get very little light. A bit like living in a cave.
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Remember that time when you said that you brought up key topics and conversation points that forum members wanted to discuss?
Is this one of them or is this just another attempt at bringing up a poorly founded, anti-Lansdowne, anti-development rant?


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And I sure hope that OSMUG has included major sound-proofing on the back wall of the mega movieplex, so that the buyers of the townhouses backing onto it aren't blasted out of bed by the undoubtedly state-of-the-art sound systems the cinemas will have.



They also really better like the smell of fake butter topping day-in, day-out.
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And I sure hope that OSMUG has included major sound-proofing on the back wall of the mega movieplex, so that the buyers of the townhouses backing onto it aren't blasted out of bed by the undoubtedly state-of-the-art sound systems the cinemas will have.



They also really better like the smell of fake butter topping day-in, day-out.
Excellent. The more uncomfortable you are, the happier I will be!
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I'm not the only one to point out that locating them facing north, with the back wall against the back walls of the cinema and commercial buildings, will make for dark little houses.

And I was also pointing out a few of the other limitations prospective townhouse buyers might want to take into consideration.

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Remember that time when you said that you brought up key topics and conversation points that forum members wanted to discuss?
Is this one of them or is this just another attempt at bringing up a poorly founded, anti-Lansdowne, anti-development rant?
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I reckon I won't be terribly uncomfortable. Certainly not as much as the folks living in the caves backing onto the cinemas.

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Excellent. The more uncomfortable you are, the happier I will be!
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I'm not the only one to point out that locating them facing north, with the back wall against the back walls of the cinema and commercial buildings, will make for dark little houses.

And I was also pointing out a few of the other limitations prospective townhouse buyers might want to take into consideration.
That's the developer's problem, not ours.

Bring on the REDBLACKS and Fury!!!
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I reckon I won't be terribly uncomfortable. Certainly not as much as the folks living in the caves backing onto the cinemas.
Yes, because all over Ottawa, there is an epidemic of vacant north-facing houses and apartments, and we know for a fact that all people and families living in a north facing home or apartment are unhappy.
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