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Has anyone else heard this stuff about Abel LeBlanc claiming he has a condo developer lined up for the Lantic Sugar Site, and that the city should sell the site for condos and have Long Wharf remain a part of the working port?

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I'd say, bring them forward. In any case, the Sugarland is a better area for a port than long wharf where they like to heap big piles right on the skyline...right uptown where ppl travel the red brick road.
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I haven't seen this mentioned in the blog however, prudent to note that Abel LeBlanc was Ivan Court's Assistant Campaign Manager in the most recent civic election. Can you say conflict of interest?

I wonder if Abel plans on retiring at the end of this term...
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I wonder if Abel plans on retiring at the end of this term...
I can't picture his energy hub promoting party heads are fans of his anti-Irving, anti-LNG, anti... positions. I'm also not sure, his west side constituents are all fans of his negativity.
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Conceptual Design Of North Of Union Development Unveiled
August 06, 2008
By: JeffLansing News 88-9 Staff




SAINT JOHN, NB - The conceptual design of the North of Union development has been unveiled.

The next step is more public consultation.

The police headquarters will face Union Street and be smaller than originally planned.

It will now be three stories, something Police Chief Al Bodechon says won't be a problem.

The justice building will range from three to five stories, and include 150-thousand square feet of courtrooms and related department of justice space.

The 500 to 600 car parking garage has been relocated between Carleton and Sewell Streets and will be linked by pedway to Harbour Station.

Council has approved the conceptual designs.

Public input sessions are scheduled for August 26th and 28th.


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Has anyone else heard this stuff about Abel LeBlanc claiming he has a condo developer lined up for the Lantic Sugar Site, and that the city should sell the site for condos and have Long Wharf remain a part of the working port?

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I havent heard about it....and I guess the lack of general exposure if this indeed is a live option is telling. "lined up" sounds like a bit of a euphemism for "the cheque's in the mail".....
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Has anyone else heard this stuff about Abel LeBlanc claiming he has a condo developer lined up for the Lantic Sugar Site, and that the city should sell the site for condos and have Long Wharf remain a part of the working port?

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If anything like that was realistic it would already be out in the public. This guy is a perfect example of the simple backward thought process behind many of our elected officials. He doesn't have two clues to rub together, and is so stuck in the past it's not funny. I can't seemore condos down there for a long time - we have Rocca's, Robertson's Wharf, proposed condos for Coast Guard, and the West Side condo development which seems huge if it goes ahead. The IOL building will be well finished and working for a LONB time before any of Abel's condos show up on the Lantic Site. Even so, they would more likley be in the Port area more toward the City, and not on the tip which is the small piece of land up for discussion.
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Saint John condo developer says higher-density housing inevitable
Last Updated: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 | 3:14 PM AT Comments0Recommend1CBC News

High-density housing is the way of the future given the shortage of land in Saint John, the developer of a proposed 52-unit condominium told city council Tuesday.

John Rocca's proposed Blue Rock Court condo development on the city's west side is one of two currently before council. The other is a 168-unit development on the east side.

Residents from both neighbourhoods voiced their opposition at the Tuesday meeting, saying the developments will reduce their quality of life and put a strain on existing infrastructure, such as roads.

But with little land available for development, Rocca said high-density buildings are the only viable option.

"We have to accept the reality that density has to increase," he said. "The days of low-density developments, unfortunately, are over if you really want to address the situation and the need."

Saint John planning and development commissioner Ken Forrest said the trend seems to be toward multi-unit buildings such as condominiums, townhouses, duplexes and apartments.

Council decided Rocca's development can move to the next stage of the rezoning process, but the second proposed development was tabled for the time being.
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John Rocca's proposed Blue Rock Court condo development on the city's west side is one of two currently before council. The other is a 168-unit development on the east side.
i'm having another forgetful moment....where is this 168 unit project going? any links/renderings? how close to reality is it at this point?
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i'm having another forgetful moment....where is this 168 unit project going? any links/renderings? how close to reality is it at this point?
I think it's proposed for Mountain View Road off of McAllister. Apparently locals were complaining about the height of some of the buildings... which were 5 stories.

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I think it's proposed for Mountain View Road off of McAllister. Apparently locals were complaining about the height of some of the buildings... which were 5 stories.

I grew up not far from there. With the High Meadow Park townhouses, new Townhouses on Mountain View and the small lots for single family homes on Carlile, I would suggest the neighbourhood is very dense for that part of town as is. Whether it could or should be denser is what city planners are there to figure out.

I don't think it would ruin the character of the community, do if the infrastructure can support it, it looks like a good project to me.
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City planners hire outside help

Development Consulting company will help clear up backlog of applications

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Published Friday August 8th, 2008


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Holly McMackin, a planner for Dillon Consulting, is happy to lend a hand to the city’s overloaded planning department.


SAINT JOHN - The city's planning department is using the services of outside consultants to help clear up a backlog of applications.

Ken Forrest, commissioner of planning and development, says a combination of factors has led to the increased workload his staff is facing, so the city will use Dillon Consulting to help alleviate the situation.

Forrest noted that a combination of summer holidays and increased development activity prompted the decision to seek assistance from Dillon's Saint John office.

"It's a short-term solution to provide some additional capacity on an as-needed basis to keep things moving," said Forrest.

"We had so much current stuff that I was worried we were going to start introducing some delays for people. At the cutting edge of a boom, is that what you want to do?"

Forrest said contracting out the work was the quickest solution and that he would take some time to assess whether it's necessary for the city to add permanent positions to the payroll.

"We need the commercial development and we need the houses. Two or three months of additional caseload doesn't necessarily establish a permanent trend and we don't want to overreact. For now we simply don't want to hold people up - we want to provide good customer service and deal with people as quickly as we can."

An added bonus is that Dillon's principal liaison with the city is planner Holly McMackin, a Rothesay native who is very familiar with the city.

"We have offices across Canada and we're pretty broad in terms of what we do," said McMackin. "But one of our focuses is planning and within our planning group we have about 50 planners across the country. Within our planning group we have three focuses and one of those is municipal planning, as opposed to land development and the environmental assessment side of things.

"This type of situation is fairly common. We do it for a couple of municipalities in Ontario. It generally happens when the flow of applications that are coming just becomes so great."

McMackin said her firm would take on some of the "smaller" issues, allowing the city staff to deal with major applications and policy issues.

"It's always a struggle to balance the day-to-day processing side - dealing with all those applications, writing the reports, dealing with the public inquiries - with the more long-term strategic planning processes that are going on," she said. "If anything, those are really crucial, but it's one of those things where you have to sit down and spend four or five hours doing it and if you're constantly getting phone calls from the public and dealing with smaller-scale items, it's easy for those bigger policy items to get pushed to the side.

"With Ken coming in, he's got lots of great strategic policy planning things that he wants to tackle. It's just unfortunate that at the same time as he wants to get those files rolling, he's also got this crazy amount of applications coming in.

"They're starting to see more of a mix of applications - they still have a bunch of the smaller ones that eat up time - but now they're starting to get bigger and more complex applications, which really do require a lot more staff time and focus.

"At least for now, we're trying to take over some of the simpler applications, take those off their plate, so that they can focus their attention on the more complex applications."

McMackin said a bustling economy that creates an abundance of development is a great work environment for her profession.

"From a planning perspective, you couldn't be in a more interesting spot right now," she said.

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Published Friday August 8th, 2008



SAINT JOHN - The city's planning department is using the services of outside consultants to help clear up a backlog of applications.

Ken Forrest, commissioner of planning and development, says a combination of factors has led to the increased workload his staff is facing, so the city will use Dillon Consulting to help alleviate the situation.

Forrest noted that a combination of summer holidays and increased development activity prompted the decision to seek assistance from Dillon's Saint John office.

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Canaport: 3rd Tank Under Construction


Photo: Canaport LNG (http://www.canaportlng.com/gallery/main.php?cmd=album&var1=May2008/)
with the talk of a potential significant expansion out at the LNG terminal (another 2 huge storage tanks) i keep wondering how easily integrated they would be into the existing site...the 3rd tank, from what i gather was a possibility right from the get-go, and so fit in nicely to the plan...the aerial shots appear to suggest that additional tanks (if the project goes ahead) would be built a little further away...
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Here is a blown up image of the map above...


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might be a bit of a stupid question, but would the remainder of russle ave (which is essentially being turned into an extended highway ramp) to the intersection be under the jurisdiction of the city, or the province (in terms of upkeep, repairs, snow removal, etc)?
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This was on 94 FM News:
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More housing may be coming to the city core -- the church of St Andrew and St David is proposing a major development on land it owns at the corner of Charlotte and Duke Streets.
Church board chair Peter Jollymore tells CHSJ News the current plan calls for a five storey building with townhouses on the first level and apartments above.
Jollymore says they're holding a neighborhood meeting Tuesday evening to outline the plans -- he says they will also begin the process of getting approvals from the city heritage board and planning departments.
We are trying to ensure the neighbours can participate in the consultation at this stage, so the first meeting will be limited to neighbours on the block and across from the block.

More will be released when plans are ready to present to the city.
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might be a bit of a stupid question, but would the remainder of russle ave (which is essentially being turned into an extended highway ramp) to the intersection be under the jurisdiction of the city, or the province (in terms of upkeep, repairs, snow removal, etc)?
That is a good question...maybe we can convince the province to take jurdistiction of Rothesay Avenue again too...on the other hand maybe not...at least it gets repaired now...

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with the talk of a potential significant expansion out at the LNG terminal (another 2 huge storage tanks) i keep wondering how easily integrated they would be into the existing site...the 3rd tank, from what i gather was a possibility right from the get-go, and so fit in nicely to the plan...the aerial shots appear to suggest that additional tanks (if the project goes ahead) would be built a little further away...
I'd imagine they have a site plan with expansion limits and possibilities. Perhaps the construction parking lot or land toward Mispec beach would be considered.
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** This is an interesting article written by Chilibeck in the TJ Friday:

Saint John is a study in contrasts. Oases of architectural character and natural beauty are often punctured by broken down, neglected zones and odd, out-of-place buildings.

Historically rich but recently poor, the municipality over the last several decades has been desperate for any kind of growth and tax revenues. As a consequence, it's allowed just about anything to pop up, regardless of the look or effect on the overall character of a particular neighbourhood.

Some areas have been lovingly preserved or protected, but just around the corner there's another eyesore. There are too many examples: think of the renewal of Water Street and lower King Street uptown, and then take a close look at Charlotte and Union streets, what used to be the hub of retail in Saint John. It is now characterized by a few attractive buildings laced with ugly surface parking lots, shoddy renos and awful urban renewal projects. The businesses and apartment buildings are a mix of proud and proper versus downright bad and ugly.

Eyesore buildings lower overall property values, repel prospective home and business owners and perpetuate a sense of neglect and poverty. It's the same look that encourages absentee landlords and resident ignoramuses to treat the city like a big trash bin. The rest of us have to put up with the random mess or move to a tidy outside suburb.

The problem could worsen now that a building boom is underway. Earlier this week at common council, four development requests came forward that pushed the meeting past midnight. Two of them were controversial, with residents on the east and west sides complaining they didn't want apartments built near their homes.

No one seems happy with this process. Residents feel like their way of life is under attack and they've been ambushed, developers complain about insufferable waiting and red tape - and city officials are caught in the middle, trying to keep people happy but also gain badly needed tax revenues.

The planning department is so overwhelmed with development proposals it is now farming out the processing of applications to the local firm Dillon Consulting. Building and Inspection Services has reduced its office hours open to the public so it can find more time to process requests.

The boom means more revenue, but if it isn't planned right, the municipality will lose opportunities for better development and even more money.

The great streets in Saint John are the ones with buildings of similar style and scale, often with decent walkways and attractive landscaping. These are places where people want to live and shop, and property values tend to be higher, generating more revenue for the cash-starved city government.

It only makes sense that the city would try to protect these bright spots and encourage more quality development for everyone - seniors, the poor, families - rather than cook up more of the dog's breakfast that already blights too many neighbourhoods.

What's needed is a carrot-and-stick approach to development. The stick is stronger guidelines that will help appease neighbours and increase property values. The carrot would be incentives that encourage developers to keep building. Ideally, it would be a well-explained, streamlined process that would satisfy almost everybody's demands.

Coming Monday: Possible solutions to the 'plan as you go' model Saint John has suffered from for too many years.

John Chilibeck is a Telegraph-Journal reporter who writes about issues that affect the Saint John region. He can be reached at [email protected] or by calling 645-3267.
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We are trying to ensure the neighbours can participate in the consultation at this stage, so the first meeting will be limited to neighbours on the block and across from the block.

More will be released when plans are ready to present to the city.
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