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Old Posted Aug 23, 2008, 7:33 PM
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More for you kids.

Fedex to go daily YEG-MEM with A310F (good for cargo numbers.)
Date to start;TBA (not far from now though
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Canadian north to add Mesquite Nevada along with Laughlin Nevada (already served in winter) for a tour operator.

Newair finalising routes.
Can tell you some good looking offerings from YEG and YYC.
Currently hiring staff and leasing airplanes.

Until next time.
What is their current schedule and / or aircraft type?
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2008, 7:45 PM
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Fedex will start the route Sept 2/08 YEG-MEM.

They currently use 727's operated by Morningstar through YEG to YYC,YYZ and YVR.These will continue as FedEx mainline starts service.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2008, 10:15 PM
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Also newair should take on the first 737-700 soon.

It now looks as though the airline will start off flying on contract for Suncor flying from YYC and YEG to places such as Albion and Fort Mac shuttling crews to the work sites.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2008, 1:06 PM
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Downtown airport's day seems done
By KERRY DIOTTE

Citizens could be forgiven for rolling their eyes at the thought of yet another debate over Edmonton's civic airport.

But that debate is on again. Next week there will be public hearings at city hall on the future of the City Centre Airport.

There has been endless discussion about the airport, located just north of downtown.

Proponents of the facility have argued it's a valuable asset connecting Edmonton to the booming North. They'd like to see an expansion of commercial flights.

Some of those fans worry that an out-and-out closure will impact medivac flights and harm speedy delivery of donated organs to city hospitals.

Others say the downtown airport's time has come, in part because it only offers regular commercial flights to Fort McMurray and Peace River, and those are limited to 10 passengers per plane.

Those opponents point out a 1995 plebiscite sealed the fate of the facility when 77% of voters opted to see major commercial flights consolidated at the Edmonton International.

A recent civic report estimates the city could sell off the land for about $500 million, and see it redeveloped for residential housing that would bring even more tax dollars into municipal coffers.

Others argue the downtown airport is robbing the city of even more tax money because developers aren't allowed to construct buildings taller than roughly 40 storeys, due to the danger of low-flying planes hitting them.

The pro-closure side says the city could get even more tax revenue if skyscrapers of up to 60 storeys started popping up downtown.

Residents are right to be weary of this whole debate. After these hearings, city councillors should make a speedy decision on the airport's fate.

The biggest knock on Edmonton's international airport is it's so far from the downtown - about a $50 cab fare - and there's not even city bus service to the place. If politicians decide to take the money and run by closing the downtown airport, maybe a good chunk of the cash could go to build an LRT line to the International. http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/08/27/6583396-sun.html
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2008, 1:13 PM
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^bingo...BUS then LRT to the airport.
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^ Exactly

Can't do much about moving the airport now - the best thing would be to get public transit there ASAP.

Just came back from San Fran and they have their BART system connected to SFO. Since we were staying at an airport hotel it was a simple matter of hopping on the BART and going downtown without any hassle. Their fee system is graduated based on how far your going. SFO to downtown was $5.35.
     
     
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^nice.

As much as people might disagree about how many would hop on the LRT downtown and hit the airport with luggage etc, this isnt about a family of 4 with 10 bags (er 8 bags). This is for short trips, day trips, people who are upwardly mobile and dont mind hulking bags around. I know i would take this option.
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One thing to mention is that their BART trains appeared to have a lot more space than our LRT cars. While we did not carry luggage on Board when we travelled there were seating areas that had plenty of room next to it for luggage.

Also we are talking about 9 to 10 car trains. While it was busier during rush hour period there was still room available for people to bring on luggage.

Certainly Edmonton's LRT should strive for the ability to handle luggage if it does extend out to YEG.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2008, 2:54 PM
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perhaps the last car of the train, or the first is the YEG express with a slight conversion to allow for luggage storage on a secure rack or something?
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^Exactly.

The ability to get access to YEG by public transit, whether it is bus or LRT, from downtown is very important at this time in the airport's development.

To see how the system works in SFO really opened my eyes to the possibilities here in Edmonton.
     
     
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Why not just use heavy rail from Grandin to the airport? It wouldn't cost all that much to build the extra infrastructure, just need to negotiate something with CP

Grandin/Government Center <-> Strathcona < -> 34 ave < -> Nisku < - > Airport
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2008, 5:29 PM
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Why not just use heavy rail from Grandin to the airport? It wouldn't cost all that much to build the extra infrastructure, just need to negotiate something with CP

Grandin/Government Center <-> Strathcona < -> 34 ave < -> Nisku < - > Airport
Yeah, it would be faster, cheaper, more convenient. LRT service to airports has been a middling affair all over north america. One seat to downtown in practice generates higher ridership. You can also charge at a level closer to full operating cost recovery, so your not subsidizing the rich airline passengers.

There is no way you can justify LRT service to the airport on a cost benefit level. With the Henday, you can put BRT service from all the most outer LRT stations to the airport, and it would be enough to complement. Employees would be a part of the passenger mix, but when the airport can just create another gravel lot for them, whenever they need it (they do have alot of land) there isn't much incentive for transit use.
     
     
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^nice.

As much as people might disagree about how many would hop on the LRT downtown and hit the airport with luggage etc, this isnt about a family of 4 with 10 bags (er 8 bags). This is for short trips, day trips, people who are upwardly mobile and dont mind hulking bags around. I know I would take this option.
Once the LRT is up and running at Central Park I think it would be easy to add a bus from there to the airport. The bus could be one like in Miami which has special racks for luggage. There may not be huge amounts of excess space on the LRT for luggage but enough to convince me to use the bus/LRT from YEG.

I have used the bus/subway systems from airports in L.A. , San Fran, Honolulu, Sydney, Miami, Vancouver, Toronto, Puerto Vallarta and London to name a few and never had any problems with any transit system so far...
     
     
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They've been talking about running a city bus to the airport for years. I laugh over this new regional board set up so the municipalities within the capital region can work together to manage regional issues like growth and transportation, yet we cant even figure out how to run a bus to the airport.
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They've been talking about running a city bus to the airport for years. I laugh over this new regional board set up so the municipalities within the capital region can work together to manage regional issues like growth and transportation, yet we cant even figure out how to run a bus to the airport.
Yep. Makes no sense to me. Here on Vancouver Island, we've been talking for years about a bus over the Malahat Pass to link the Cowichan Valley and Victoria Regional transit systems. Finally, the BC Government gave BC Transit money to buy eight buses and funding to operate the system and told BC Transit to work out the details between the two systems - the new transit system (probably will be called The Malahat Transit System) will start in November 2008 just as soon as route planning and scheduling is complete. Funding will be provided via BC Transit to cover 46% of the operating costs, with the remainder covered by the Victoria Regional and Cowichan valley transit systems (this funding formula is the standard formula for the Municipal Systems Program).

There are lots of examples in BC of systems operating betwen municipalities. Most of the regional systems provide service to several towns, cities and unincorporated areas. Some newer examples:
1. Mount Waddington Transit - providing service to Port Hardy, Port McNeil and Woss and areas inbetwen
2. Campbell River Transit connecting to Comox Valley Regional at Oyster River, with timed connections, through fares and multi-system passes
3. Squamish Transit connecting to Whistler via the Sea-to-sky Transit system with integrated fares and passes
4. Pemberton Transit System connecting to Whistler with integrated fares
5. Vernon Regional Transit System connecting to Kelowna Regional Transit with integrated fares and Vernon Regional providing local service within the Kelowna service area
6. Vernon Regional connecting to Salmon Arm
7. Oliver Transit connecting to Penticton and Kelowna
8. Nelson Transit connecting to Castlegar, Kaslo, New Denver and the Slocan Valley
9. Regional service connecting Radium Hot Springs to Windermere and Invermere
10. Translink connecting to Abbotsford via the West Coast Express and via timed connecting routes at Aldergrove

If transit was operated like it is in Alberta, it wouldn't work in BC. Could you imagine if Vancouver Transit only operated within the Vancouver city limits, there'd be no bus service to the airport, a break in service at the boundaries, which would only serve to encourage people to drive more.

There are good examples in Alberta too - notably St Albert and Strathcona systems, and the contracts for peak service with Spruce Grove and Fort Saskatchewan are a start, though fare integration would go a long way to making it more viable.

Alberta really needs a provincial Crown agency, like BC Transit, to do the planning and funding for transit throughout Alberta. Maybe then we'd get a bus to the airport. Transit planning needs to be regional and needs to link between cities and towns for it to be effective. This is especially true in Edmonton with the multitude of towns and cities outside the city limits. Just look at the traffic entering the city on 16X in the morning rush - I was amazed at the volume of traffic coming into the city from areas with no or inadequate bus service.

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MUNI cleanup minor: report
Low pollution levels at airport open door wider to redevelopment
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Published: 6:33 am
EDMONTON - Despite fears that closing the City Centre Airport could lead to massive cleanup costs, a new report says tests done since 1995 indicate the contaminated ground shouldn't require significant remediation.
Studies of 28 sites along the airport's eastern and western edges either didn't show significant levels of pollution or recommended ways to deal with it, according to a city report written for next week's public hearing on whether to keep the facility open.
Coun. Tony Caterina still maintains the cleanup bill could reach $1 billion, far more than the potential profit from selling the property for development.

But a review of the existing assessments suggests "only a localized pattern of contamination events," the report says. "These are typically what would be expected to be found in association with light to medium industrial activities, with no significant remediation requirements expected."
An overall environmental assessment would have to be done before the airport could be redeveloped, the report says. It also indicates the most likely of three concepts for the 217-hectare area would see it become home to 32,000 people living in 18,600 medium- and high-density housing units, with LRT service, commercial and office space, and expansion room for NAIT.
An appraiser has confirmed assumptions made in an earlier report, which found this 15- to 20-year project could give the city a $486-million windfall and produce $68 million in property taxes.
"Because several major pending projects could be impacted by (airport) land use changes ... and due to the opportunity to generate revenue to help bridge the city's infrastructure funding shortfall, it is prudent for the city to decide the direction of the (airport) land by June 2009."
The report suggests city administrators and consultants do further research by early next year on topics such as the possible expense of buying out the leases of existing businesses.
The report also suggests an analysis of potential downtown development if building height limits were removed.
Caterina, who has called for expanded service at the airport, said Wednesday the latest report doesn't change his mind about possible pollution problems on the property.
"They have gone to a couple of areas on the periphery and tested, but there has never been an environmental assessment on the entire site," he said. "During the '30s and '40s and '50s, with the air force out there, there were people dumping gasoline by the barrel. There's a lot of information that hasn't come out."
He supports a call by the Kingsway Business Association to postpone the hearings set for next Tuesday and Wednesday so people can collect more information. "I wanted to reopen this debate so we could get something done. We can't go another 13 or 15 years just letting it sit the way it's sitting."
Voters decided in a 1995 plebiscite to consolidate flights at the Edmonton International Airport. The Edmonton Airports Authority now limits scheduled flights into the downtown airport to planes with a maximum of 10 seats.

One issue that still isn't resolved is what effect closing the airport would have on medevac and other health services.
While the report says Alberta Health staff hasn't comprehensively studied the issue, Capital Health spokesman Rob Stevenson said the main impact would be on shipping organs taken for transplant from people who die at the Royal Alexandra Hospital.
"It would be a setback for sure, and we would certainly work with the City of Edmonton and our team of experts to come up with an alternative solution. We would find a way to get around it."

In 2007-08, 67 flights bringing in or taking away organs used the City Centre Airport and 40 flights used the international, Stevenson said.
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Zoom Airlines suddenly suspends all operations
Updated Thu. Aug. 28 2008 1:24 PM ET

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MONTREAL -- Ottawa-based Zoom Airlines confirms it has suspended all operations.

Hundreds of Zoom Airlines passengers were stranded in Canada and Britain after the small Canadian airline stopped operations unexpectedly.

Zoom says the economic downturn and the unprecedented rise in the price of aviation fuel has made it impossible to continue.

It has begun insolvency proceedings in both Canadian and U.K. courts.

Zoom employed 450 people in Canada and 260 in the United Kingdom before the shutdown.
     
     
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Looks like our lost YEG-LGW flight on Zoom wasn't that big of a deal afterwards.

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^^ One of their 767's was repo'd last night here in YYC. This is why I avoid the cheap ass charters. They fold with little to no warning, stranding thousands.
     
     
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